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I think it's up to everyone to set their own rates. It's a personal decision, and one based on a lot of factors that we might not necessarily know about. "Do 'they' even know the cost of living in Canada?" I'm assuming you're talking about recent immigrants of migrant laborers? I'm sure they do know the cost of living here, but need to make a certain amount of money to make ends meet. I have no idea, we aren't walking in their shoes after all... Ultimately we can't judge. We don't know anything about their lives or what determined their rates, etc. I don't think it has anything to do with self-respect or fairplay either... it's just people trying to make a living in ways they see fit. These things have a tendency of working themselves out. I'm really sorry it's making life difficult for you, Eve. I think that the really good clients, clients who are respectful and kind, will continue to see the ladies they want, regardless of the cost. I don't think it will drive your prices down at all. People are always transitioning in and out of the industry... Those that stick around (like you) and have good reputations (like you) will be successful in the long run. We need to hold our judgment and be in solidarity with one another. It's a tough industry! Just my two cents, Nat xox

I'm with Nat on this one.... the rate a lady chooses is up to her, and her only. There is no set local price. We don't know the reasons behind why someone decides on a rate to charge, and we have no right to pass judgement on them for what they decide. Charging a lower rate doesn't mean the person has no self-respect. It could mean they are comfortable providing their services at that rate. Or it could mean they need the money. Or it could mean many things. Similar things have been said about providers who choose to offer 15-minute specials, and I firmly believe none of us has the right to look down our noses at the girls who choose to do so, and I belive the same about the rate issue. What other girls charge has no effect on my business. My clients come to see ME, and I believe most of them would no matter what I charged. I am not concerned about 'losing' clients to lower-priced providers. Clients don't 'belong' to us anyway.

It's not an issue of supply and demand, that is a mistake that far too many people make in this business. Supply and demand would apply if we were selling widgets but we are not, we are far more comparable to knowledge workers, this business is all about the individual provider, their particular skill set, 'value added services' and of course relationship selling. Almost every lady has a different business and profit model, see three different ladies and you'll discover three different areas they focus their attention as well as different plans for success. Clients select ladies based on their individual needs and interests, cost is actually a very small factor compared to value. Yes there is a limit to what any individual client will spend but you only have to look at the various business models to know that there are clients in all price ranges and certainly enough to keep any one individual in a price bracket busy. If you feel like you are being undercut then you need to evaluate your own business, see what is comparable in your particular market segment and what sets you apart and focus on that. If you compare yourself to businesses outside of your market then you will always feel like you are on the losing end simply because it's not your market and not your business model. As always I'll use myself as an example, if I compare myself to ladies with rates less than my own I often notice they have a larger client base, work more frequently and have less overhead. There are also a huge number of clients that will see them and will not see me, some because they see no value in the particular date I offer and others because my consideration is simply out of their price range. If I compared my own business to these ladies I would appear to come up lacking in several specific areas, this does not however mean that I am not successful or running an effective business. If I compare myself to the ladies that charge more than I do I find that often they are travelling more (by request) and have a smaller but more loyal client base. Depending on their individual model often their overhead is a little higher and they tend to require far more flexibility in their personal lives - something I do not have. So again on a one to one comparison of any particular area I appear come up lacking but that doesn't take the entire business model into account. What truly matters is does my model work for me? I have enough clients that I am happy, my current model integrates well with my 'outside life' and it allows me both the freedom to pursue other interests without compromising on the things that are important to me when going in to an individual date. You have to compare with other ladies that are in your market, evaluate how your business is working for you and if there are areas you need to improve on. There is always some cross-over in clientele, some people will see me, you and another lady with a consideration that is either higher or lower than ours or perhaps simply has a longer (or shorter) date minimum. That part of the market isn't nearly as big as the people that 'shop' within a particular interest or business model and it's those clients that you focus on, the others will come and go anyway and you generally won't build a loyal clientele out of them.

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A clean bbbj is an oxymoron. Mouths are notoriously full of all kinds of microscopic wigglies. There are many providers to choose from who offer the service; many of them will be std/sti free but you can't tell who is and who isn't. There is no "on the spot" test to see if at this moment something lurks in her throat. Christy is right, this is something you have to educate yourself on. Speak with your doctor, read the public health information and then think on the best choice for your situation. What I will suggest is that when you find the provider, don't ask "Are you clean?". It's not a good way to start off an experience. My second suggestion is that when the "Oh my God, what have I done?" wave hits you afterwards, don't contact your provider asking if you should go get tested... cat

Pick a girl you are attracted to , review her site for her services then contact her:) But fears are going to hold you back from full enjoyment. So educate yourself, and well. There are many sites you can find reliable information about std's and how they can and won't be transmitted. Read up, or have an open frank discussion with your MD. Remember anything you tell your doctor is private and I think it's best when any of us are going to have more than one sexual partner that our doctors know as they are the best ones for health discussions. Nothing is 100% but most responsible and professional sp's take great pride in their health and taking care of their bodies:) I hope you find what you're looking for and that you can relax and thoroughly enjoy it:)

Although I agree with Nathalie and Cleo, I can certainly understand what Eve is saying too. Eve, just keep in mind that those who charge $100 for an hour in Ottawa (happens in Montreal too) are not targeting and attracting the same clientele you are therefore it will not directly affect your business... I know it hasn't affected mine ;) Cheer up :) xox

Any intimate activity with anyone, be it a professional companion, bar pick up, girlfriend/CL/wife ALL carry an element of risk...celibacy, well masturbation is the only safe sex and no, not being glib here Condoms are not risk elimination, they are risk reduction As Cat pointed out, never ask a companion if she is clean, and don't ask the lady if you have a morning after panic attack if you should be tested YOUR SEXUAL HEALTH IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY...you should get tested regularly if you are sexually active One more thing, while there is an element of risk in being sexually active, even if using safe sex practices, celibacy while safe (sex wise that is) carries something else IMHO far more unhealthy...and that is loneliness...and I am speaking from experience Anyhow, a rambling RG

My old (16) dog's having a dream in the other room and letting out some "yips". She's had a harder winter this year. Hopefully, she's having puppy dreams. When I went to check on her, she licked the hell out of my face. Bless her heart........and she still went out for a pee.

Here in Ottawa we have many satellite Health Clinics, where you can easily walk in get tested YOURSELF without giving nothing. more than a contact number IF something comes back. For myself, because I do seem to see a few ladies, I get tested every 2-3 months, and NOT once have I EVER tested positive for any STD. That said, I can honestly say, HERE in Ottawa, and of course some touring ladies I've met, the SP's that I've seen are very very meticulous about their health, and do their due diligence in getting themselves checked out as well. All I can say :) "if you have doubt don't pull it out" "the right selection is to protect your erection" "don't be silly wrap your willy" "if you think she spunky cover your monkey"

Nathalie has hit it right on the head. Those that have lower rates are not doing it for the purpose of undercutting at all, they are trying to make a living at it. You will always see rates, from a lower level to an upper level, and that has been part of this industry for a many years, from past to present, you can see that today from ad's here,EC,P411,BP or wherever the men seek services.

If you are not "more than" comfortable with it without worrying about it later....then don't do it !! Research, be clean yourself and if you do try it and go home and decide you are not comfortable ....then that is a decision YOU made and like Cat said....Nevar contact the provider about what to do. Go get checked if you feel that be best Then pickle your penis and preserve it until you are perhaps ready to play comfortably. ;)

For those of you who care about this sort of thing... Fairly good summary here, with links to further reading. You probably don't need to do anything about this unless you run your own web servers (and that means looking after the servers, not just having a website). Unfortunately, we have no idea who already knew about this, or how they'd exploited it, or what they'd done with the information thus gained...

I am a very positive, spiritual person and I support everyone for what they want to do and I try my best not to judge anyone based on ANYthing. I charge $XXX/hr inclusive and that by no means indicates how I value myself. I am NOT a stupid woman nor am I blind to the market where I am. I am also open to my limitations with hours, looks, wardrobe etc. No one knows my situation nor do they know me or what I deal with on a daily basis. I am a quality provider who cares, who has amazing skills and I try to connect with my clients. I shun many of the industry "norms" because I don't agree with them. I give pleasure because I love it and I want to do it. To have someone comment there are no quality providers at my price point or that I am not attractive because of my price point or that I am not a serious provider or in it for the long haul, to that I say piss on you...I am amazing. I may not be for everyone but for those who see what I am and what I give.. I am NOT my price point. I get very tired of these threads. The bottom line is do what you want. Do what makes you happy. Do what makes you feel good about you and fuck everyone else. If someone does it different say "you go girl". There are enough people against us in this industry without driving it home amongst ourselves. Enough already. Everyone has a place no matter rates, menu, looks, age, sex, or any other factor involved. We are all in this together and we are all important. One year in the making...I hope I said it in a positive manner.

Within reason, what we are selling is clicking and connection. It is next to impossible to put a dollar value on those two things.

I been on this board for many years and this is a subject that seems to pop up this time of year when business tends to be a little slower. I do recall a few years ago mod mentioned he did not want to see "street prices" on the board. I am sure if someone was advertising 100 an hr prices on CERB and he was made aware of it he would probably look into it. However this is something the OP would have to do as I haven't seen ads here at 100 hr. I saw one lately at 60 for 15 mins and that was BJ only. That's the lowest rate I seen on CERB for a long time. Responses on this thread have been great and I don't want to repeat what has been said. Just like to emphasized, we all have a budget we must respect however when seeing a lady, rate isn't the main consideration in most cases. Some choose to be Baskin Robin clients and want to see different girls each time they play. Their choice and surely they see ladies in different price range. Others prefer seeing a lady on a regular basis and that will be driven by connection and personal factors not by which lady is the cheapest. Finally there are those who don't care, excuse the expression but that say: "a hole is a hole", who will always bargain for a cheaper deal and will see the lady who offers the lowest price. Nothing anyone can do or say will change them. Just remember there are many of us who aren't like that!!!

Right or wrong...it's an argument I'm NOT willing to have. I do agree with Natalie & Cleo. I'm just thankful there's girls offering these prices. Because of my income I would never get to enjoy the pleasures of being intimate with a woman more than 3 or 4 times a year. I'm sure there's a lot of guys in the same position. I do have to say, I've never seen an ad for $100/ hr....maybe a 1/2 hr.

I think the question was already answered by the quote "supply and demand" if there is a demand for providers that offer services at a low rate, there will be a supply of ladies or lady offering that demand, is that not correct???

That was so kind and thoughtful:) I hope your kindness is repaid tenfold:) Today I went shoe shopping and broke my no spending spree:( I bought a purse and 2 pairs of shoes then went and bought coffee and donuts for the girls working in the shoe store, people get so surprised when you do little things for them:)

Good old Peter Mackay I am ashamed to say is a Maritimer. One good thing we have going for us is that we know he doesn't keep his promises. Remember this one when he was the last leader of the Progressive Conservative Party of Canada. " I will never form an alliance with the Reform Party." So don't be too surprised if he fails to deliver on his promise of new legislation.

It was pretty funny hearing that "Minister for Democratic Reform" who wrote that tripping over his BS on CBC. Funny for a bit, then annoying, then infuriating. He stuck to his story despite being caught misquoting others and saying things that were outrageously incorrect. When he said "We don't have to listen to so-called experts", it got scary. The whole public consultation is a charade. They will do whatever they want. They know what is good for you.

Sadly, it doesn't sound good, "they want to help people "transition out of prostitution" More like they want to find a way so "people" can't peacefully and happily function within the hobby or profession/lifestyle. What ever the legal changes are I'm not changing:)

I enjoy some erotic spanking and was privileged to have been able to provide it once even though I was a complete novice. Trust is a huge thing once you get into the deeper arenas of spanking and people should realize this aspect. Also spanking is NOT just about hitting someone's ass. There ARE right and wrong ways to spank and right and wrong places. There are some areas that you need to spank lighter and some you can go harder with. I am not an expert but I have done some research and also experienced it first hand. While I may enjoy a spanking on my nice juicy ass, I do not like it on the backs of my thighs unless it's light. Like any form of rougher play, you need to approach it first with the mind then with the body. Establish some boundaries and trust and then enjoy the hell out of it. I would hope someone, as Savannah said, on a first meeting wouldn't suddenly just go to town with no prior discussion.

I spent a lot of time "doing the drill". Trying to find meaningful work to satisfy the mind, body and soul as well as meet obligations. Mostly that turned into a huge stress factor because, while I was good at it, I didn't "love" it. I always thought it would be cool to be a sex worker in some capacity but was too focused on the "normal" stuff to think much about it. I have friends in the industry who always said I'd be good at it. So, when I hit a crossroads a bit ago I said why not. Let's try something I love where I get to play by my rules. It's taken me awhile to establish myself for a variety of reasons but here I am, loving what I do, loving the people I meet and being true to myself even if that means I do things differently. For anyone who has ever took a look at my blog or read one of my stories or read something I wrote that I was passionate about, I think my love and need for all things sensual and sexual becomes very clear. I love to please, to entice, to pleasure and satisfy. I also love to explore. There is a whole lotta love for me in doing what I do and I thank everyone who has allowed me to do it *rawr*

First:) I don't refer to this as a job, to me a job is something that needs to be done or that you have to do. I do this by choice, not out of necessity and now, for enjoyment. When I first started experimenting in the adult industry the reasons were many-from - ' wanting to walk on the wild side" to bunk tradition, because I wanted to push boundaries, etc. None of the reasons were the right ones, until now:) I've tried it all too, dancing, running services, being independent, working for a service/services and through it all I've met catty vindictive girls, assholes, pimps, bullies, fake friends, cowards, the worst of the worst. Yet I stayed and I stay because I know escorting/providing and I have something together;) and that there will be and are good and nasty people everywhere and in every profession, neighbourhood, and lifestyle. Learning how to ignore and deal with the bad and appreciate and celebrate the good is key in living happily as is finding an activity you love and truly enjoy. I love how I feel after I have a successful encounter and how I've made the other person feel. I thrive on that excitement, joy, sensuality and pleasure. Its the good;) I can do this 7 days a week or one. 1 week a month or 4, 6 months out of a year, or 2 and until I choose not to:) I suppose that is why it's good for me, because it's something I don't have to do, it's not a job it's something, an exciting activity I've added to my now very happy life :)

I think Eva Pearl has a really cute bum!

What are some things you'd rather not see worn? Things you like to see worn? For me it's a thong on any man Dislikes: socks with sandals, especially knee socks on men acid wash jeans crop tops on those who shouldn't rounded toe shoes Likes: jeans that fit well pencil skirts high heels suits on men hats-especially fedora's

me too, lol RG, you have a lot to say, and i am glad that i think i have read the majority of all 11,000 plus. :)

I like people wearing confidence.....after that it doesn't much matter. Peace MG

Exactly, and some of us gentlemen are looking for that clicking and connection with a lady. Maybe I'm biased but I don't think I'll find such a connection with a lady charging low rates. And the ladies I do see, while charging a higher rate (compared to $100/hr), provide companionship. They know being a courtesan is more than being a sex provider. In fact sex is but one part of an encounter. My experience, encounters have a value far exceeding any donation they could ask for. I don't believe I could say the same if I was looking to see the lady offering the cheapest rate possible BTW this is not a put down of those seeking or offering low rates, there is something and somebody for everyone. But what I enjoy are those companions who offer much more than just sex...they provide companionship. A rambling for what it's worth RG

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I think the certificate is really about therapeutic massage and insurance billing, more than skill. A relaxation massage or massage that *isn't* intended to be paid for by an insurance provider would be all about the skill of the person giving the massage and creating the experience. That wouldn't be diminished by a HE. A registered masseuse offering therapeutic massage and the possibility of a receipt for insurance would be a different story. While the client probably wouldn't argue with a HE (I know I wouldn't!,) it would be contrary to the ethics of the regulatory body and could lead to problems. Just my thoughts. ;)

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Great post Cristy, thank you. Things I would rather not see worn? Men or women wearing short shorts with naughty bits hanging out. Psychedelic clothing. Sunglasses or hats worn indoors. Men in tiny speedos. Men wearing Hipster Pants or pants with a low crotch. Long pants that are clearly too short. Things I would like to see worn? Women wearing skirts and dresses more often. (Three or four times a week would be nice) Men in kilts. "Going Regimental" is optional. Bowties. A friendly smile on peoples faces.

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It's not just about whether a pooner's SO might find evidence of a tryst. It's about whether pooners want to reveal their real names to an escort or agency. I would never consider using a credit card for pooning. And, I would never do anything that would reveal my real name to an escort or agency in the city where I live. The omly exception is when I'm out of town in a hotel and the agency or escort needs my name to make a verification call to my room. There have been several cases in Winnipeg where an escort has turned on a client and outed him to his family or employer. The clients had (unnecessarily) provided personal information and it came back to bite them on the ass. I know the majority of escorts would never do that, but a few would. I won't take that chance.

You're not kidding!! :-)

Joy Smith perhaps Probably should ask Peter McKay and Stephen Harper I suppose. They are honorable. Especially if they are spanking that sexy girl Joy Smith. By the Jesus she won't like that !!!! "Oh Peter Peter....that was a "Nordic" spank !!!!! You are going to Hell in a handbasket and to jail you bad boy " ;) Then next sentence "Spank me you honorable bitch Peter RFN"

Amazing answer.... i really need to travel to Halifax.

Adding my vote for ALO's Jessie. Nice 5'1" frame, dirty blonde, perfect waist-hip ratio, man-mades that look good on her. And, yes, she's sexy sensual. And, on top of that, she's fun with a great sense of humour.

When on a long journey by car, guys can pee in an empty pop bottle; girls, not so much!

My two cents is the hotels off of Division street are great as they have free parking and are only a ten minute drive off the 401 from down town Kingston (unless its rush hour than it takes forever!). I don't know if anyone has a particular preference in terms of when seeing a Sp? For me, weekdays and weekends work just fine!

It really works, I notice I make my best decisions when I stop thinking and just quietly 'listen' to myself. I just have to work on remembering that so I can do it more often :)

My friend is going through a tough time so I said I'd take her shopping. First she wanted some makeup and I said no problem, I'll pay for it. Ooops, didn't know how much that stuff cost! Then I bought her a new pair of shoes, a giant bag of dog food. I can't say no to pretty ladies.

Pffffffft... I never liked that guy. :nospam: :p Thanks for all your contributions, RG!!!

I would suggest you attend the next party they have. As long as you let them know ahead I'm sure you would be welcome.