Jasmine Rain

4 minutes ago, Jaden said:

Ok the reason why am saying that is it did happen to me twice and is like most are using the same way to ask you to send the password in the beginning they will say you don’t have to give them password until you with them and after they receive the email notification they will ask you to send like 20 dollars for taxi and give them the password so they can be able to take the full amount you sent before 

Which I understand and I am sorry, but for most ladies, it is a scam as well. Men send money and then cancel it while the lady is on route. 
 

So if you see deposits required, either chance it or move on to the next one. 

On 6/21/2020 at 7:16 PM, Jaden said:

Well am not saying allWell am sure you have never experienced that before but it’s happening a lot in Fort mac I will understand if you asking me to do the e transfer first but not to say I must give password as well because if you decide not to see me I cannot get a refund even on leolist website it’s says any escorts that ask for money in advance maybe a scam and yes I have been in that situation before like I said even how can an escort ask you to buy a gift card and send them the serial numbers before they see you I know what am talking about business is a business don’t take cash just accept e transfer and make sure they give you password when they re with you before you render your services period 

You can say that until you are blue in the face, but you have just been told that many ladies will not accept an EMT without the password. So if you don't like the policy, move on to the next girl. 
 

LL says they are MAYBE a scam, so you have to do your research first. 
 

And lastly, this is in the complete wrong section. This is the lounge, not the general discussion for Fort Mac. But as said, the quality of girls is usually a reflection of the quality of clients in a city. Just sayin

On 6/6/2020 at 7:31 AM, lydiahardwood said:

You should, she is absolutely amazing! Here's her Twitter https://twitter.com/lust_athena

She is always re-tweeting providers too which is awesome. 

6 hours ago, Andee said:

You can’t get people’s personal information like plates from an address unless you stake out the place and observe vehicles parked there nor can you obtain an address from a plate - at least not in Ontario.

Which someone could do. 
 

But I have been able to get plate info from having an address. I admit a normal lay person may not be able too. But I was able too. That is all I was saying. 

15 hours ago, grizzlybear said:

You're comparing a sw's choice to a raped teenager? I'm saying that if you're going to be a sw, that's a risk in the business. I'm not saying it's right, but guess what. There are deviants who partake in this industry who have no moral code, church or otherwise. My comparison is only that this idustry is frowned upon by "religious" moral code. I will also emphasize that I don't agree with the stigma this industry has endured. I'm just stating that our society still hasn't embraced this industry and therefore, unfornutally, our lovelly ladies can't expect respect from clients or the legal society. It is unfortunate, as to the few ladies who confide in me what happens day to day, that they get treated in such derogaratory manners. The fact is, there is no law as to how treat a lady in the sw industry, just how there is no law as to how a sw treats a client. I will tell you, as a long time hobbier, I alwys treat a lady with the utmost respect, my only purpose to this post is to point out that there is no standard as to how we treat each other. Just as us gentleman would like to think we always treat ladies with respect, there have been times that I have been treated with disrespect by potential providers. Believe it or not, there are bitches out there trying to make a buck.

You say you treat ladies with respect but then post that ladies don't deserve respect In your other post. 

i disagree that there is not a standard. There is. Many people follow the inner code of industry. Some don't. Just like any other industry. Just like there are some good cops and some bad ones. 
 

But there is the unwritten rules of the game and this person broke those rules. Breaking the rules leads to accountability and that person can be held accountable by being blacklisted. 
 

It all comes full circle. 

On 5/27/2020 at 9:10 AM, PxPr said:

It's still not discrete.  I still have to go BUY that card - which means spending money from a bank account. Not to mention re-loading it at any given time. There's only so much you can 'hide' on a business account (and of course my SO is the second on my business accounts in case of emergency), and I sure as heck can't use a personal/joint account for it!  When I say there is no truly discrete way of doing it, and "...no way to send payment without some risk of a partner finding the transaction at some point," that's the truth. 

There is always a way. $10 cash back here or there on purchases gives you cash in hand. So then you can use that cash to get a prepaid card and buy a subscription.  
 

Cash back on gas is the easiest because those prices change all the time. 
 

Since some really good memberships are only $10 a month, a $50 card will be good for 5 months. 
 

This may not be for you but I'm just saying, where there is a will there is a way. 
 

You must get cash to pay for escorts so I don't see not being able to get cash for online memberships. 

20 hours ago, lydiahardwood said:

Hey all.

I just wanted to let you know that I have added a rule to ban people from giving out addresses of Providers. Honestly I'm baffled by the lack of common sense from people sometimes. 

14. DO NOT SHARE ADDRESSES WITHOUT PERMISSION

We can't believe we are having to include this... but do not give out Providers' addresses. That is information for the Provider themselves to share only.

Thanks again @MelanieRose for highlighting this, and please everyone keep bringing up these kind of situations so we can work to make things as safe as possible for the community.

Big love ❤️

That is awesome. Sad that it is needed but great that you guys did this. 

^^^^ This.

I think grizzly knows exactly what he is trying to say and I don't think it came off incorrectly. I think we all saw the post for what it was meant to be. 
 

14 hours ago, grizzlybear said:

I am going to preface this response that I never have and would never divulge a ladies location. I have scruples and enjoy meeting ladies and respect their privacy. Unfortunately, you ladies have no rights as to privacy in this industry. We would like to think that there's an understanding of discrecion in this business but that is not written in law. Most of us clients would like to think that discretion is paramount, as would most providers. The truth is, if you invite someone into your private space, you invite your address being broadcasted and you have no recourse legally or otherwise. I agree that this action is deplorable, but the fact is it's a risk of doing business. Most of us clients have less than the church mandated  morals or we won't be seeing escorts . Why would we subscribe to the unwritten rule about escort discretion? 

I am sorry you have this feeling. 

However my opinion is everyone is entitled to some respect regarding privacy. That includes sex workers. Just because we sell sex doesn't make us any less "human" and therefore not worthy of respect. 
 

But I guess I get why you think that. You think so low of clients as well. I don't have a single client like you describe. And I can bet I'm not the only one. 
 

I will admit there a few out there like you say, you probably are one of them with such a low opinion of the industry in general but most are not like you say. 

On 5/25/2020 at 4:45 PM, Greenteal said:

    If you got an opinion on the matter, it's fine. But I would appreciate if you didn't twist my comments the way you did.

In my opinion, Intent matters, mistakes happens and consequences should reflect what was really happened(if we ever know).

    This thread should be about educating member. Attacking me for having a more nuanced opinion, doesn't add more to the topic.

I have read about lots of people who have made mistakes and killed people. They were not given a pass because of their mistake. 
 

Some times some things are just unforgivable and have consequences no matter what. 
 

Sharing intimate incall details like a short street location = blacklist offence. 

19 minutes ago, OldandNerdy said:

Didn't say it was safer, just a different option to use for payments.

 

Personally I'd rather not have a third party (PayPal) tracking my spending, if I can go get a prepaid visa card, and give that to a provider over a link from Square.

 

Unless of course you have a semi-anonymous PayPal account, using a throwaway secure email account, while connected on an anonymous VPN, and input the prepaid CC into your PayPal account and send the payment to the provider. 

That is how I make paypal payments for my adult stuff. It is discrete but totally throw away info. It is only to make payments though, not accept money. For that, I transfer through two other PP account before finally accepting to my account that is bank linked.

Square works with many online platforms. A lady can set up a website with shopping cart features like wordpress with woo commerce and then link a Square plugin and payment will run through their site and billed to whatever name you create for that company. You can create many different companies as well with one square account. 

All done online and not needing to be in person. 

On 5/8/2020 at 2:40 PM, TiffanyLynne said:

For those who didn't want to leave paper trail, there are always pre-paid Credit Cards at Walmart you could pay cash for. Reason I know is some clients of mine have done this

Sadly places like OF do not accept Pre-paid CCs. I have heard of lots of men experiencing declines messages. 
 

This is yet another reason I created my own site to manage payments. So that anonymous billing was available.

I have heard of guys buying amazon GCs or very discretely and by trusted clients only, using PayPal as you can use pre-paid CCs for those. 

On 5/22/2020 at 9:26 AM, conquistador said:

I'll go against the grain and nominate a gentleman, Notch Johnson.  He is consistently one of the top posters on this site and I'm always amazed at all the pics he finds.  

Cheers.

I agree with this. That is who I would nominate. 
 

That is for this month. Because I have a long list of members I would like to nominate as well. LOL. 
 

56 minutes ago, Greenteal said:

   It's not about "clients over sex workers". It's about proportional responses to a clear lack of judgement.

   You can't compare privately sharing a street name to a few members with publicly exposing someone. I agree the matter should be investigated by the mods if more to the story. And if justified, the member should receive infraction or ban for PM abuse.

   Doesn't matter if client or provider, consequences are the same.

The black sites are private not public. I said that already. I'm not sharing bad date information on twitter. 
 

My location is already comprised at this point and was shared privately so I see it as a proportional response. I'm privately sharing my experience of the breach. 
 

Don't go for ladies on LL that are 18-20 years old without reviews. 

Most stings set up online are for catching guys looking for underage girls. 
 

Sticking to well reviewed ladies will minimize your risk greatly. 
 

1 minute ago, Greenteal said:

  In my book, being doxed in "black sites" doesn't only get one blacklisted, but also exposed to blackmail and far more serious consequences.

 The punishment needs to fit the crime. And in this case, (from what was posted) only the general location was shared.

 If someone doxes you, I get your point and would understand your response to it. But for the situation describe by Melanie, I don't think it's necessary to go that far.

We will have to agree to disagree. Not like having my location can't set me up for blackmail as well. 
 

Give me a street and I can locate anyone. I can then get their name, plate numbers and vehicle information, spouse info, kid info, friends and family, work, etc. It doesn't take much. 
 

Again, it is my private home. But I get that you would put more emphasis on protecting clients over sex workers. That is generally how you feel about clients vrs escorts anyway. 

I stand by my post. If that means someone won't see me because of it, good. I want like minded clients anyways and if someone thought my safety is less important then someone who breached my trust like this, then we will not get along anyway. 

It is making it hard on escorts since they can not advertise in person sexual services on platforms like Twitter. 
 

Escorts have had their accounts closed because of it. Which I don't get. It is on another platform completely. 
 

I would be able to advertise any and all business on one platform without risk of banning on another. 
 

Another reason I created my own fan based site so I don't have deal with restrictive rules like that. 

21 minutes ago, Greenteal said:

    To be clear, she never said her exact address was shared. Only the street name.

Even if a bit too precise for some, it doesn't justify "posting all their info on every black site" because one shared that info with a few members.

     Lack of judgement I agree, but not worth destroying someone's life for it.

Posting any location information is a complete breach and therefore a blacklisting offence. 
 

I stand by my post. I would be posting all his info on every black site to ensure no other lady is put at risk. He is not losing his life and it is not being "destroyed" You are being dramatic about that. I didn't say I would publicly out the person. Black sites are private. 
 

Would you like a few unknown escorts knowing where you live? I think not. 
 

I work out of my personal home. I am not screwing around and having my life put at actual risk. I can be physically stalked, hurt, etc by whoever it was, telling the wrong person. It only takes once. 
 

This is why I screen. If you are going to get my personal residence location, I'm am getting your phone number, email, real name etc. Quid pro quo and if you breach that, then you live with being blacklisted. Period. 

I would be losing my shit. I work in my personal private home. 
 

if I found out someone was sharing that info publicly or privately, I would be taking issue. I would be banning the person, posting all their info on every black site I could find. 
 

Totally not acceptable. I'm very sorry this happened to you. 

Zzzz

Toronto agencies have decided that stage two is when they will open. Which basically re-opened the industry here for everyone. 
 

Some ladies will be happy because they get to work without being shamed but other ladies will now be pressured to go back to work when they may not really want to. 
 

It is really hard to say. I figured when dentist open but even then I don't know. 
 

Part of me thinks I will go back to work in stage two as well. Just maybe a couple weeks into first to see how it goes. 
 

But another part of me thinks wait it out until stage three and yet another part of me thinks I may not go back at all. 
 

It is matter of risk level and comfortability and when the general public starts to feel that mostly at the same time. But when that time is, I have no idea. 

Glad we could help. That is what this forum is for after all. LOL

I think you just told yourself about your own problem.

1 - you are wasting multiple escorts time

2 - you are extremely nervous

So what I do is just flipping things around. Don’t contact the ad until AFTER you do all the searching. This way you can get the research done and not waste anyone’s time. 

As suggested, starting looking for your ads at more reputable places to cut down on possible flakes, then research reviews and GIS, and then content.

When you contact an ad, you should basically already know you are going to book her because you have done all your research first. 

On 5/14/2020 at 6:53 PM, shyness13 said:

I love both wow come back to Saint John New Brunswick soooonnnn please ❤️

I was going to come out this Spring but with Covid - it may have to wait u TIL next year hon 😞

Anything you can do to make the administrative factor easier would be appreciated. 
 

To do this:

- Read the entire site/ad

- only contact via the SPs expressed way of contact

- fill out all forms to completion. 
- read reviews to find services levels So that you are not asking the provider 

- if she screens and you don't want to be, move on. Don't ask her to change her policy for you. 
 

There is nothing worse then having to do extra admin work. We are loaded up with emails/texts all the time. Anything that can reduce is appreciated. 

Right now, during this down time, subscribe to her online virtual services.

One other thing that I think would help now, ask her if she likes to be reviewed and if so, review her. It helps her, it helps your fellow brethren and helps reviews sites. It is a win for everyone. 

That is all I can think of without coffee. LOL. 

Great question though. Thanks.