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       Just noticed new members are now starting as "General" instead of the standard "Moderated" status.

    Was this dropped due to the recent influx of new members?

    I understand the moderation/approval process can be time consuming, but in recent days I seen an increase of first post members taking jabs at ladies and other members(including myself). The "training wheels" of the moderation process was there to help new members integrate themselves to the board and learn the rules, but this was lost.

    Would appreciate knowing if this is a glitch or an intentional change? And why the decision was made?

 

       Thank you.

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      This also applies to providers as in less than a week had to flag three of them. One Wednesday for promoting one of those fake adult dating websites. Two Sunday, one with the typical LL fake ad with stolen pics and a U.S. phone number. And another who likely legit, but broke board rules by promoting illegal services on the wrong forum. 

      Not so long ago we agreed to simplify the verification process to allow members to post announcements and pictures, but not for an unfiltered gateway.

       Hope this will be corrected soon.

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@Greenteal I think you're correct, it is likely too much work, time and energy to monitor the moderation process. This isn't a new issue, by any means, and won't likey get any easier with many new members. I came across a post a few weeks ago by a member Identified as "New Account, Moderated member". I had a look at his profile and he joined in 2010 (a month before I joined!) and has 14 posts. None of them totally outside of the rules here nor particularly great contributions. Life's like that. In a few minutes you can find many other examples like this.

I joined this board because of the careful, thoughtful moderation and positive approach. It's still a business, though, and requires traffic so I'm prepared to begrudgingly accept the unwanted (by me) name change.

I think the best approach is to lead by positive example: responding appropriately to jabs given: Politely call them out - others may join the chorus. Eventually the trouble makers and trolls will get bored and leave. Don't feed the Trolls.

I noticed the same thing you have (though not the jabs - could easily have missed them). You're more likely to observe these things as you appear to survey every local forum on lyla, like most posts, and comment wherever you can.

I would love it if this were a 'tech issue' but I'm certain it's not.

Did you contact a mod directly? Would this thread be better placed in the 'New to This' forum?

Cheers

 

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15 minutes ago, waterat said:

I would love it if this were a 'tech issue' but I'm certain it's not.

Did you contact a mod directly? Would this thread be better placed in the 'New to This' forum?

Cheers

 

     Glitch or not, it's something that should be addressed or at least explained. And this forum is appropriate for this discussion. I did ask the question but still waiting for an official answer. As this applies to all of us, I hope it will be posted here. 

     The moderated status was never perfect and occasionally had some technical issues. But for most was due to new members low participation and only few from software errors. The goal was to minimize blatant unacceptable posts. And by removing that verification process, this allows the kind of abuse we worked hard to keep out. And while I don't mind the occasional jab (welcomed on certain forums), it shouldn't come from a normally moderated post. Last time I pm a new member for answers, he replied to mind my own business as if he didn't expect a human being to reply. With this kind of interaction, it makes me question if I'm talking to an adult. Not everything can be 100% verified and screened, but the old process did eliminated a lot undesirable trolls and spammers.

      Since the upcoming name was announced, many( including myself) expressed concerns and we were told changes would be cosmetic only. But this is a serious change and probably should have been discussed before application.

      

     

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JMO and I agree with Greenteal is having a moderation period...as I recall (mind you OMG that was a decade ago LOL) CERB as it was called back then had a moderation period.

This forum seems more suited than the "New To This" forum only because that forum works for those who have read the Rules.  The one post (actually two) that I saw Saturday were and I don't think it's an exaggeration to say were disgusting.  Probably disgusting by _erb board standards too LOL.  I doubt he read the rules when he joined nor would read the rules or the "New To This" forum as an ongoing member (if he remained a member)  He was an extremely angry person wanting to spew garbage about an escort and thought Lyla was the place to do it.  BTW just saying did you all know there is a report post function...just saying😉

As for the post by someone I too think  is a legitimate provider, it isn't to scold, just she was posting/advertising illegal services.  And in the wrong forum.  In her case JMO its more a learning curve than anything, but I think she'd be a contributor to Lyla.  And having a moderation period is one way for new members to learn the rules, plus navigate the site. 

An open respectful discussion seems appropriate and this is the forum to do it in IMO.  Wish there was a way to ensure everyone actually reads the rules but we all know that just doesn't happen.  And maybe there is a reason there isn't a moderation period, who knows (BTW I'm on a couple of other sites, not all escort BTW and they all have moderation periods too)  But if there was one it could help reduce/eliminate spammers etc

A long winded rambling

RG

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Hey GT,

Thanks for raising this. We are testing turning off pre-moderation for new users and Verified Independents in order to see if this increases engagement on the board. We had found that a lot of users were signing up and never using us again, so we're hoping turning it off will improve this.  Remaining a positive environment is our number 1 priority though, so as always please to keep reporting and calling out negative behaviour when you see it. If this increases drastically and gets out of hand then we will look at turning pre-moderation back on, but for now we haven't seen a significant rise in issues. You guys are generally awesome at reporting inappropriate comments and content and I like to think we act pretty fast, so I'm not sure how imperative pre-moderation is. But as always, I like to hear your thoughts.

As for making people read the rules - every new user gets a welcome message from me outlining the rules and with some suggestions on how to use Lyla properly. But I agree that not everyone seems to be reading these which leads to inappropriate behaviour on here. As always, I welcome your suggestions on how we can improve this, whether that's turning pre-moderation on again or something else.

Thanks 🙂

Lydia 

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      Thank you for the reply.

   Like most, I'm open to testing new ideas, But a heads up would have been appreciated. The reason I noticed the change was because of a significant rise in issues. May not be that bad for now. But once the name change implemented, things will get much worst. And mostly when advertisers/spammers will notice the floodgates are open.

   I don't think the moderation was ever the problem. In my opinion, many joined with expectations of a conventional review board, lived in region not well represented or did for the single purpose of promoting themselves or others.

   As for reading the rules, I agree not much can be done. People will generally ignore until hit with their first warning or infraction, something most of us have been guilty of. Other than a form of written test for new members (something I don't quite recommend), I doubt enforcement is possible. 

    Again, thanks for the explanation.

    

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I would have liked to know as well,  mostly just because I time my ad posts based on the (now inaccurate) knowledge that time would pass before ads go live.

 

I can see not moderating verified and general members, the way it was.  But not new members. I felt the policy 'if you dont earn it you cant post freely' was a well positioned piece of PPE, if you will, that made this site feel as reputable as it is.  

If the non moderating continues,  so be it, (works for me personally; i prefer my ads go live right away) but a heads up to providers like me: we will have to be more cautious and diligent in screening out time wasters and possibly unsafe encounters.  Probably will be an increase in wot's, no call/no shows.  But, such is the cost of doing business.

 

Love seeing things being tried and tested tho 🙏🏻🌠 i think its great, much better than doing nothing and hoping for an improvement to just happen 🙂

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1 hour ago, Sugar Kayne said:

I can see not moderating verified and general members, the way it was.  But not new members. I felt the policy 'if you dont earn it you cant post freely' was a well positioned piece of PPE, if you will, that made this site feel as reputable as it is.  

   To be honest, it doesn't really matter if Moderated, General or Elite. Browsing their activity logs often reveal some red flags. Just today, noticed a recent member stealing word for word a post from someone else and that on the same exact thread. I warned that person and reported the newbie to the mods. Also, yesterday a member was flagged for recruiting members for an illegal Facebook discussion group. Not sure how long that trial period will last, but I think I already made my point.

   What really matter is the way you screen your patrons, LYLA members or not. And on this board, for new members to not take for granted the privileges of their instant memberships. 

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All these factor into screening, to varying degrees.  Ive always screened profiles using all the data available, this 'member status level' is just one small piece of data no longer available. No big deal, but it does affect screening ability.  Not that i would refuse someone based solely on if they were new (or conversely, if they were established, its not an auto yes from me) , but if they were new + other things that dont gel, then im more cautious if I take the appointment or not.

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On 7/14/2020 at 4:04 AM, lydiahardwood said:

 

As for making people read the rules - every new user gets a welcome message from me outlining the rules and with some suggestions on how to use Lyla properly. But I agree that not everyone seems to be reading these which leads to inappropriate behaviour on here. As always, I welcome your suggestions on how we can improve this, whether that's turning pre-moderation on again or something else.

Thanks 🙂

Lydia 

Just a couple suggestions,

 

perhaps the posting rules can go where the new info block appears above forums saying 'hi! thanks for wanting to post on lyla...'

 

And/or perhaps the rules can be condensed

 

And/or perhaps the new to this section could be condensed or revamped (or refreshed so it looks new lol idk 🤷🏼‍♀️) to encourage users to read it.  Id be willing to help🙂

 

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All sensible suggestions, Sugar.

I get excited simply calling a woman Sugar, makes me feel like I'm back working in the Texas oil fields where almast every waitress addressed me as 'Sugar'. Being a diabetic, it's the only sugar I get, lol.

To get back on track your ideas are good ones and I think, would all help

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I hope i am not totally hijacking this thread, but on a sidenote: i recall seeing a local patron comment regarding a local provider using a separate account to recommend themselves to others?!?!

Dont know if there is any truth to the accusation, but ive just realized with no moderation period, anyone could. That could be a serious imposition when it comes to due diligence and screening to find the legit ladies.

Are we still keeping up with tracking multiple account sign ins from the same ip? I havent looked to see if theyre still posted, thats on me, but 

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4 minutes ago, waterat said:

All sensible suggestions, Sugar.

I get excited simply calling a woman Sugar, makes me feel like I'm back working in the Texas oil fields where almast every waitress addressed me as 'Sugar'. Being a diabetic, it's the only sugar I get, lol.

To get back on track your ideas are good ones and I think, would all help

Well thank you Sugar 😘

 

I simply adore Sugar 😋 couldnt live without it. Sorry to hear you cant indulge, but your health is much more worthy than a sweet indulgence 😁

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52 minutes ago, Sugar Kayne said:

I hope i am not totally hijacking this thread, but on a sidenote: i recall seeing a local patron comment regarding a local provider using a separate account to recommend themselves to others?!?!

Dont know if there is any truth to the accusation, but ive just realized with no moderation period, anyone could. That could be a serious imposition when it comes to due diligence and screening to find the legit ladies.

Are we still keeping up with tracking multiple account sign ins from the same ip? I havent looked to see if theyre still posted, thats on me, but 

     As there only so much we can say about the main topic, I can allow the question.

   The answer is yes. There tools in place to detect multiple accounts, but exist many ways to get around it. Not gonna say how, but possible.

   And many were caught promoting themselves, reasons why recos from new members are often ignored or scrutinized when the accounts gravitates too much around a single provider.

   Returning to the topic, more vigilance will be required with unmoderated new members posting unverified recos.

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2 hours ago, Greenteal said:

 

   And many were caught promoting themselves, reasons why recos from new members are often ignored or scrutinized when the accounts gravitates too much around a single provider.

   Returning to the topic, more vigilance will be required with unmoderated new members posting unverified recos.

Great points! Good to know 🙏🏻

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How does one get themselves upgraded to a senior status?

Am i understanding correctly that brand new members and verified independents are at the same level with security?

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22 minutes ago, Kitten said:

How does one get themselves upgraded to a senior status?

  The points and ranking system changed a few times in the past years. I think it's in relation to the amount of posts and how long someone been a member. Something a Mod will need to confirm.

22 minutes ago, Kitten said:

Am i understanding correctly that brand new members and verified independents are at the same level with security?

  Depends on what you mean by "same level with security". Both can write unmoderated posts. But Verified Independents can post announcements and are considered safe to meet.

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Thank you for the clarification. I adore how your ontop of answers and info!

More on what i need to achieve that status from mods would be greatly appreciated 💋

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8 hours ago, Kitten said:

How does one get themselves upgraded to a senior status?

Am i understanding correctly that brand new members and verified independents are at the same level with security?

Hey Kitten. 🙂

It all depends on how often and frequently you post. If you post consistently you'll get there in no time. In terms of security, Verified Independents are able to post schedules freely and you also have access to the SP only area, which isn't visible to Clients or General Members. Hope this answers your question!

Lydia 

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Just to confirm, the sp only section is ONLY visible to verified providers, is it not?

thats what it says at the top of the forum, but id like to know for sure b4 i post.

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11 hours ago, lydiahardwood said:

Hey Kitten. 🙂

It all depends on how often and frequently you post. If you post consistently you'll get there in no time. In terms of security, Verified Independents are able to post schedules freely and you also have access to the SP only area, which isn't visible to Clients or General Members. Hope this answers your question!

Lydia 

Thank you! Ill keep plugging away 💋

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2 hours ago, Sugar Kayne said:

Just to confirm, the sp only section is ONLY visible to verified providers, is it not?

thats what it says at the top of the forum, but id like to know for sure b4 i post.

  If it makes you fell better, that's what I see on my page:

 

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10 hours ago, Sugar Kayne said:

Just to confirm, the sp only section is ONLY visible to verified providers, is it not?

thats what it says at the top of the forum, but id like to know for sure b4 i post.

I will let Lydia answer this for a 100% certainty BUT i will say this. I've been around for many many years and yes it was always this way. It is for verified independent SPs only. Not even agencies have access and there is zero patience for screwing around (ie leaks) So unless something ridiculous has happened, yes, you are safe to say what you want back there an only verified indies will see it. BTW you always have the option (again, unless something changed for some ridiculous reason I cant fathom) you can always post anonymously. So you can post in that section without even other VIs knowing who posted it. So you can really feel free to speak you mind there. Its our safe space. Rather than wait, id advise writing to an admin member to ask.

 

Hope all is well with you! xoxo I know u dont know me but in the mean time if u need to talk, feel free to reach out.

Yours in Solidarity,

JessyCeleste

xoxo xxx

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I totally forgot about that anonymous post option. I don't actually have anything to post, everything's good with me 🙂 thank you 💗 I usually cant even find the sp section 😅

Seems i also didnt notice lydias post included a mention of clients not being able to see sp section posts, so now i just feel silly 😋😅🤦🏼‍♀️ 

Thanks again to you both 😘

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