Im starting to hate this industry

[CarmenSantana 31]

On 2/21/2022 at 5:27 PM, misterdynomite30 said:

 

 i honestly am so sick and tired of the scams.. 

Yup. And it seems like it's more now than ever before and no signs of

slowing down. 

 

The one thing I despise about this industry is looking for a "new" regular.

I currently have a "regular" that i've been seeing for 3 years and I've had

one before her that I was seeing for 10 years but she moved away just

before Covid started. So just one left. 

 

I have totally written off "online deposits" as instant 100% scams just to protect 

myself from a nightmare situation. Even if they aren't, I'm not willing to roll the

dice and find out anymore. I'm too old to be playing in the minefield. I'll keep 

my current regular until she quits the biz and then it's retirement time. 

 

No regrets. It's better to be safe than sorry. A clean & safe exit is a good exit.

Just like that Kenny Rogers song said :

 

"You gotta know when to hold 'em / know when to fold 'em / know when to walk away..."

 

#NoRegrets

 

 

😎

 

 

Love this reply! 
I would also like to ad, I literally sang the song out loud, as I was reading it. 😂💕

[CarmenSantana 31]

On 2/21/2022 at 8:44 PM, TakeMeToParadise said:

I want to agree here.. i find it's becoming out of control. I have to do so much research just to try and verify if a provider is real. Leolist has become a minefield of fake ads. Twitter accounts can be faked; so can websites and even reviews. even on this site.. truly the only way is to know someone else either a client or a provider who can vouch for them. I see so many great women on this site but none in my area. so far i have found only those on tour that i would truly reccomend. I have been burned for deposit on occasion myself and it's frustating. I have hope though that if some of these women see a need or demand in the area that they will come. It helps if the quality of clients in the area are just as good as the women we want to attract but i have personally been told by providers that a lot men in my area are basically pigs so that isnt helping the cause either . I take it with a grain of salt. I try to be a good client.. clean, respectful and aplreciative of their time and just hope others do the same. 

On behalf of The serious, REAL, respectful, classy, Intelligent and personable SP’s… 

I’d like to say we appreciate you💕

I’m glad you pointed out the “pigs” there are many.
But not just pigs!
There are game players aka no shows, that waste our time. 
They text or call all day, everyday to make fake appointments, from 5, 10, 15 different app numbers. Idk how they have the time or patience for all this? But we certainly don’t! This is mostly why we ask for a deposit. 
They take away from serious, potential gentlemen, like yourself.
I personally feel that, if they’re going to waste our time, we should be compensated. 

Time is money when you’re at work, that goes for any job, not just escorting. 
People often say/think that escorting isn’t a real job?! Because it’s frowned upon…

 99.9% of those people could NEVER walk in our shoe/stilettos/heels.

It’s definitely a job/career. It’s not just about sex! We wear many hats, while working. There are ups and downs! 
Yes the money is good but, at times it can also be very dangerous, unfortunately (for both parties). 
$20 deposit I think is mostly required often? 
If the SP’s are scamming for $20 there’s nothing we can do but, feel sorry for them. 
Because they’re very stupid to scam someone for $20 when they can make a whole lot more, by going through with the appointment?!

Make it make sense somebody please?! Lmao!  It’s giving “Petty LaBelle” 
 

[CarmenSantana 31]

On 2/22/2022 at 6:15 PM, JessyCeleste said:

 My pleasure to help. Helping you on this helps both sides of the entire industry too. Hopefully this info will help others avoid what you've endured. 

Oh I'm not challenging your decision. You do what's right for you.

 

Unfortunately, what you say about the average is true and true for every group there is. And as others say, the more underground things are forced into the more sickos come along to exploit it. So this industry is one that suffers greatly as a result. On both sides. We all hear plenty of what SWs go through if they aren't aware of how to avoid trouble and only see good clients.  If they are scamming you for deposits, most arent actually SPs. Catfish found out an onlyfans model was a man without conscience in his 30s or 40s who would use the names & pix of an actual OF model and simply scammed money from the guys with good hearts. This was his job he said and she wasnt the only SW he was exploiting and endangering to profit from.

 

Here's a link to the episode:

part 1: 

 

Part 2:

 

 WORST OF ALL: The show didnt even bother to blur out the SWs face! So guess what happened to her? She was exploited and screwed over even further. While she trusted her mom wouldnt go on OF and find her there, she sure as hell does watch OF ! Here's her reaction. Now she was ok in the end with her family knowing but she should not have that choice taken from her. A lot of us would be destroyed in their family life. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gFkF4RCyms

 

I can list a bunch of other examples. As someone here had said, no reputable SW would risk her rep to make a small sum. So I wouldn't use those people to describe most SWs anymore than I would describe someone pretending to be a client who beats, rapes and robs the worker. He's not a client, he never was. She was never a SW. But even with those posing removed, you still will find psycopaths and sociopaths more often than groups that are in the open... and even there... is the average collections agent a good person? Is the average hairdresser or stock broker? As communities like this exist, one can definitely say that the reputable SPs do conduct themselves well as does the average hobbyist. But lyla is not Leolist, LeoList is not instagram/twitter and those arent the street corner. As you can see here, many hobbyists and SPs have enjoyed many years together, some for decades, some more. 

As I said, many SPs will wave the deposit fee if she is not just visiting and if you have references. Given how many scams you have encountered, you would have also experienced meeting with several SWs and as long as you were respectful, you should get a ref from more than one. Keep in mind, even if she wasn't necessarily someone you would see again, the point of a reference is only assured safety... so its not the same as when hobbyists review/recommend us. So don't hesitate to ask. Deposits weren't a thing until covid. It was extremely rare and when it did happen it was for far off outcalls or full day bookings. This only started because of inconsiderate behavior of many clients and bad behavior of non clients. Once it was established, ya, the vultures came out. So the fact it was only became the norm because of necessity (you can watch its progression starting from 2019 to witness the standard and then starting looking again around june/july 2020 onward... See how often it happened, see those lamenting they may have to start asking deposits... what you went through with scams, they went through except a hotel room is way more than a deposit. So to blame isnt helpful.  or defame or make stats on groups that  have little to do with each other. Just finding solutions & communicating is. 

 

I wish you luck in your ventures. Please, even without sending deposits, do your due diligence because losing a deposit is not the only thing that can go wrong for a hobbyist.

GIRL…… 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 

that’s all!! 💕

[CarmenSantana 31]

On 2/20/2022 at 12:58 AM, Quietfun said:

I dont care if you have a different opinion.. i honestly am so sick and tired of the scams.. all you providers expect it like its just a simple request without ever acknowledging that clients are getting screwed over sending deposits.. i am just getting over trying to have faith in SP's .. trying to find a regular is a fucking nightmare fulm of scams and rude ass women

Wait a minute, Hold the phone honey… 

First of all… “all you providers”??

That’s like me saying “all you hobbyists/clients assume and, lack the knowledge and, don’t care about all the things some of us have gone though” 

Scams and games are being played on both sides of the fence. So it seems like you’re calling the kettle black? I say this because you’re unaware, or not “acknowledging that we’re getting screwed over” 

Most of us are aware of the scams that are going on.

Some of us have fallen victim to the scams as well. By game players/no shows that make fake appointments and,

waste our time. That’s the reason we request a deposit!!! 

We don’t request with the intention to disregard, what the scammer has put you through, c’mon!!! 

Unfortunately it’s gotten to the point where, both parties have to either chance it, or just forget about it and move on.
It really sucks but, you can’t put the blame on all of us. 
There are honest people and there are dishonest people, EVERYWHERE! 
Just because you ran into a dishonest person, that doesn’t give you the right to label “us all” as “scammers and rude ass women” RESPECTFULLY💕
 

 

[CarmenSantana 31]

On 2/26/2022 at 7:00 AM, Genevieve Marceau said:

We heard you the first time on your thread here, and now you are at it again 8 days later? What are you trying to get out of those discussions? 

 

It’s “We heard you the first time” for me!!! 😂😂😭😭

[CarmenSantana 31]

On 3/20/2022 at 10:03 AM, Exotic Touch Danielle said:

Right ... everyone seems to forget all of the added bs we have to go through trying to provide a service(it isn't always a walk in the park for us as well...especially when our safety is not taken serious)

I just seen a gentlemen when I was in PEI steal money from me

I felt extremely violated and used and yes hurt

So when we ask for deposits it's for a reason and I thank God for those gentlemen that provide one without a problem 

 

Same thing happened to me.

Had my money stolen as well. “Violated” is an understatement. 
😔💕

[CarmenSantana 31]

On 3/22/2022 at 6:05 PM, Exotic Touch Danielle said:

 

I LIKE YOU GIRL!!! 🙌🏼

[Exotic Touch Danielle 31672]

30 minutes ago, CarmenSantana said:

I LIKE YOU GIRL!!! 🙌🏼

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