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[Drew86 110]

You said she was a registered massage therapist, did she offer you receipt for insurance ?

[steveyK 4311]

So, I've been reading thru this thread, and finally had to comment...

My biggest pet peeve is when cerb hobbyists always ask about girls on bp or cl or whatever site, people this is cerb so if the ladies are not registered here then why are you clogging up this site? There are plenty of ladies to choose from here, and they advertise on bp and cl, so just ask them their handle and check it out from there!

If she is'nt on this site, you can't reco her here as was suggested either.

If her pics are fake, stay away!!! Far away....I've had a couple of experiences not with pics, but with descriptions over the phone, and even when we met, I just politely told her that she lied about her heigt weight and age and then I wished her good luck and I skeddadled my ass outa there!! A bbw just can't pass for a spinner, no matter how much makeup they use lmao

So to end this rant, u asked, got your replies, saw her anyway, loved it apparently, just maybe don't bother us next time....

 

 

Life is good today, don't waste a minute of it!!

[SmartnSexy 2089]

Hey Stevey,

 

Thanks for your contribution to the conversation. Personally I don't mind discussing ladies who aren't on CERB. Just because they haven't found themselves here yet or choose not to advertise here doesn't mean that they're innately bad SPs or bad people.

 

One correction I'd like to bring though, even if a lady doesn't advertise on CERB you can still post a reco on her. As far as I understand CERB is a community resource and its use shouldn't be limited to only those who choose to advertise here.

 

Thanks!

[vette110 558]

Hi all

Well i did see Roxanne gotta be careful what i say on here

as far as i know from talking to her and meeting her she

does not have a massage bed . And not sure where the pics come

but i would love to meet the girl in pics. and the only thing close

is the long hair. and if you do go take your own towel because you

will get one already used. but she is a nice lady on the up side

[Meaghan McLeod 179664]

Thanks Stevy for your post.

 

Yes, you can reco on someone who is not on this site.

 

Also, my theory on why some continue to see ladies who are not on this site is really about money. Ladies who are actually putting money back into their business and not ripping people off generally do not offer bargain basement prices. Most that see these ladies object to the prices that established ladies charge. Ladies that have great recos, have a cerb handle, contribute here and really understand that reputation is everything in this business.

 

So, if hobbyists want to see ladies who are not established, or worse, have red flags because of fake pics or fake descriptions, really are putting themselves in a position of being disappointed. Why? You get what you pay for and you have the choice.

 

Simple choice. Spend your hard earned money with a lady who is going to treat you like a million bucks. Why take the chance of getting ripped off, robbed, disappointed, for the sake of saving a couple of bucks, when the opportunity of seeing someone who is established is right beneath your nose?

 

xoxo

[Drew86 110]

does anyone have any info deziree in moncton for massage? thanks

[steveyK 4311]

Thanks for the info on reco's, I stick to cerb mostly so I didn't know.

Wow, thanks vette, so if she only has hair like her pics then who are the two new guys on this thred who say she's real? ? And as for the rest of your post, thanks , I'll pass on scummy towels cause who knows what else isnt clean.... ?

[SmartnSexy 2089]

You get what you pay for and you have the choice.

 

Respectfully Meaghan I disagree on both counts (sort of).

 

When it comes to hobbying the old adage "You get what you pay for" very much does not apply.

 

My two worst experiences in my short lived hobbying career were with ladies in the 250-300$ range. On the other hand, some of my top experiences were at the 160-180$ range.

 

Some ladies charge over 250$ (taking a number at random here) because they believe that they won't be taken seriously if they don't (I've also heard of them being contacted by their competition being pressured to raise their prices, but that's a whole other conversation), others just think they can get away with charging that because they're attractive and while advertising GFE services to get the guys in, they will offer as little as possible and get the client out ASAP.

 

I understand your comment was meant as "You have the choice to see the lady or not", but it made me think of the availability of choices here in NB and Moncton especially.

 

Since we have such a terrible reputation there are few ladies who are willing to visit and the ones who do don't often return. That's no ones fault but the hobbyists who are disrespectful and not serious about keeping appointments, but we all suffer. In the end it severely limits our available choices, mostly to the BP (and other) ladies. As I stated earlier, just because they come from those sources doesn't automatically mean that they are inferior to a lady from CERB, it just means that as clients we need to be wary.

 

Another thing to take into consideration is taste/preference, what if the available CERB ladies in my area don't offer the services I want? What if I don't find them attractive? What if the CERB lady doesn't answer your messages/emails/etc (happened to me, and I had even seen her a few times before and we got along great, or so I thought)? Of course, as a customer, you're going to look elsewhere for a lady that does offer the services you like and whom you do find attractive. If CERB doesn't have it, can the hobbyist really be blamed for looking elsewhere?

 

No doubt that I'll catch hell for questioning the logic of "If on CERB then automatically fantastic", but I'll have you note that a lot of some of the more popular CERB ladies started out in this business not knowing about CERB and only came to know about it through a CERB member who took a chance on a girl from an ad :).

 

Food for thought.

[Amelia Fox 9064]

Respectfully Meaghan I disagree on both counts (sort of).

 

When it comes to hobbying the old adage "You get what you pay for" very much does not apply.

 

My two worst experiences in my short lived hobbying career were with ladies in the 250-300$ range. On the other hand, some of my top experiences were at the 160-180$ range.

 

Some ladies charge over 250$ (taking a number at random here) because they believe that they won't be taken seriously if they don't (I've also heard of them being contacted by their competition being pressured to raise their prices, but that's a whole other conversation), others just think they can get away with charging that because they're attractive and while advertising GFE services to get the guys in, they will offer as little as possible and get the client out ASAP.

 

I understand your comment was meant as "You have the choice to see the lady or not", but it made me think of the availability of choices here in NB and Moncton especially.

 

Since we have such a terrible reputation there are few ladies who are willing to visit and the ones who do don't often return. That's no ones fault but the hobbyists who are disrespectful and not serious about keeping appointments, but we all suffer. In the end it severely limits our available choices, mostly to the BP (and other) ladies. As I stated earlier, just because they come from those sources doesn't automatically mean that they are inferior to a lady from CERB, it just means that as clients we need to be wary.

 

Another thing to take into consideration is taste/preference, what if the available CERB ladies in my area don't offer the services I want? What if I don't find them attractive? What if the CERB lady doesn't answer your messages/emails/etc (happened to me, and I had even seen her a few times before and we got along great, or so I thought)? Of course, as a customer, you're going to look elsewhere for a lady that does offer the services you like and whom you do find attractive. If CERB doesn't have it, can the hobbyist really be blamed for looking elsewhere?

 

No doubt that I'll catch hell for questioning the logic of "If on CERB then automatically fantastic", but I'll have you note that a lot of some of the more popular CERB ladies started out in this business not knowing about CERB and only came to know about it through a CERB member who took a chance on a girl from an ad :).

 

Food for thought.

 

You get what you pay for most certainly does apply, as we base our services on our rates. Ex.. I'm with an agency and my rates are in the 300s, however other ladies working for the same agency are in the 200s both of us offer different services so our rates are adjusted to those services. Some ladies in the agency I'm working for provide dom and there rates are in the 400s so now ask yourself what service are you seeking and what does your budget allow. So you do get what you pay for. Many of the girls charging 160-180 are more inclined to up sell when you arrive. Who wants to talk money when your in bed..

 

Competition being pressured to raise rates? I have never heard of this.

 

You mentioned your top experiences were in the 160-180 range, I cannot imagine a touring lady will except these rates considering a hotel room is 160, so if your asking touring ladies to go to 180 of course they are not going to return.

[SmartnSexy 2089]

Again, I completely disagree.

 

Without needing to know how you or your agency works Amelia I'm basing my opinion off of my hobbying experience, which I'm sure we can both agree, I have more of than you :). Note that I'm talking about experience as the one who pays, not the one who gets payed.

 

As I said, I've been with ladies who charged me 250 and above who: wouldn't kiss (advertised as GFE/DFK and yes, my breath was fresh and clean as always), lied about their physical characteristics, watched TV while providing the service (and I mean, really REALLY watching it, not looking at me at all), kicked me out early because the next guy was waiting (never have I put my pants on faster in my life), wouldn't let me touch their breasts, etc etc.

 

Conversely I've been with ladies who charged 180 who: were incredibly affectionate, were the most amazing kissers, were completely focused on me and my needs, provided just about every "service" under the sun and still stayed longer than the agreed upon hour, etc etc

 

Now, given those two examples, how could you possibly still affirm that you always "get what you pay for"?

 

As has been said a multitude of times on this board and others, every lady is different. I'm not saying that some ladies who charge 250+ aren't worth it, I know for a fact that some are. But as a customer, you can't assume that because she charges 250+ that she's worth that.

 

Just because you've never heard of ladies being pressured doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I've had ladies in various markets tell me about how it happened to them (not just a one time occurrence), so I have no reason not to believe them. Just another one of the many issues that escorts must face I guess.

[Gabriella Laurence 301886]

As I said, I've been with ladies who charged me 250 and above who: wouldn't kiss (advertised as GFE/DFK and yes, my breath was fresh and clean as always), lied about their physical characteristics, watched TV while providing the service (and I mean, really REALLY watching it, not looking at me at all), kicked me out early because the next guy was waiting (never have I put my pants on faster in my life), wouldn't let me touch their breasts, etc etc.

Sorry to hear that.

When I read about experiences like these it always makes me wonder if the lady was established and reputable or brand new to the industry (or less than a year) as I do not know any reputable ladies who would conduct their business that way.

 

Most of us who have been around for a while understand the value of offering a great experience (whenever possible-YYMV-hygiene, ect.) and the value of repeat business.

 

"You get what you pay for" is true in more than one way.

[SmartnSexy 2089]

Sorry to hear that.

When I read about experiences like these it always makes me wonder if the lady was established and reputable or brand new to the industry (or less than a year) as I do not know any reputable ladies who would conduct their business that way.

 

Thanks for your sympathies Gabriella.

 

I've, of course, gotten over that experience, I actually took a valuable lesson away from that appointment in particular, so at least it wasn't a total loss.

 

For the sake of clarity, the lady in question was an established touring lady who used to work at a reputable agency and had recommendations from her travels overseas. I couldn't find anything on CERB, but I knew she just started touring Canada and her previous market has its own board (which is part of the lessons I've learned, fully investigate every potential meeting). I later found out that others had experienced similar things with her, but due to CERB's no negative reviews policy (not questioning or complaining, merely stating the fact) were not allowed to share their warnings.

 

If I could summarize my thoughts on the subject I'd say the following:

 

As a hobbyist you don't always get what you pay for. Sometimes you get more, sometimes you get less. In order to assure that any potential appointment goes well its the hobbyist's responsibility to thoroughly investigate the lady and to properly prepare for the meeting (shower, shave, brush, scrub, etc etc). And even when you've done all of this, just because one lady charges more than the other, it doesn't mean that the more expensive lady will provide the better service. Unfortunately you can't know how the encounter will unfold until its started unfolding. There are so many factors that come in to play when it comes to having a great encounter and no one can control all of them. You do everything you can and hope the things you can't control fall into place.

 

The only consideration a ladies' price should take in your mind is whether or not you can afford that price. Don't base your expectations regarding service on the price you're paying, as you might be disappointed. Instead, base your expectations on the investigation you just performed and your interactions (emails, phone calls, text messages, etc) with the lady in question.

 

I've gotten less for more and more for less as a hobbyist. And while I understand the compulsion of some ladies to try and integrate the "get what you pay for" mentality into the mind of hobbyists, I think that at its core it is misleading and want to share my experiences to let others know that they don't always HAVE to pay 300 an hour for a good experience.

[Studio 110 by Sophia 150333]

Again, I completely disagree.

 

Without needing to know how you or your agency works Amelia I'm basing my opinion off of my hobbying experience, which I'm sure we can both agree, I have more of than you :). Note that I'm talking about experience as the one who pays, not the one who gets payed.

 

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Gabriellia has hit the point here, if you are dealing with SP's who are established and care if their clients are going to repeat, or the future years to come, they are not going to behave this way. For those of us who has made this a career, we look at this in a very business mind set. As with any business, your door does not stay open if your services do not meet the expectations of the clients.

 

 

I am a bit shocked at your statement directed to Amelia. The statement about no one good in Moncton, etc...she was simply sharing how ladies who travel are not wanting to go when ppl ask for 180 rates. If SP's are asked or told constantly that 180 is all they want to pay, well of course less women will be interested in going there. I think you did not need to belittle what her experiences are as an SP who does travel to Moncton...less and less now that she is being compared to services that offer 180. She is trying to show how rates DO affect what services you will receive, YOU DO GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR.

 

That being said, yes I do agree with you that just cause a lady is high priced does not guarantee you the experience you hope to get. This is when you need to ask" how long has she been established in the industry? Is she a fly by night gal, who doesn't care about next year? Have you properly comunicated to her what you expect for the rate you and her have decided on?

[SmartnSexy 2089]

Sophia,

 

I'm actually the one who is surprised at your response. In no place in my response to Amelia did I "belittle" her. I merely indicated that I, as a hobbyist, have more experience as a hobbyist than she would given that she, as a rule, is on the other side of the hobbyist/service provider transaction. I'm not ready to say that she's never been a client, I don't know her life, but I think its safe to say that I've been a client more than she has. Do you disagree with this statement?

 

If not, then shouldn't my opinion regarding the hobbyist's perspective not be taken into account for this discussion? Shouldn't my opinion as a hobbyist be given more weight in a discussion on hobbyist's concerns than yours or Amelia's? For the exact same reason that I or any other hobbyist would get torn apart on this board for presuming to speak as if they knew better on the concerns of service providers, I believe the hobbyist's opinion on hobbyist matters should in fact hold more significance.

 

Nor did I say there was no one good in Moncton, only that our options were limited due to the behavior of those who are irresponsible.

 

Honestly Sophia, your post reeks of false indignation. I've seen this debate tactic before, your hope is to shame me into either apologizing or retracting from the debate altogether. Well, I've been nothing but civil and respectful throughout and was trying to have an earnest discussion and share my experiences as a hobbyist. If you're going to participate please try adding to the discussion instead of accusing me of attacking others.

 

Finally, you contradicted yourself in your last paragraph Sophia.

 

She is trying to show how rates DO affect what services you will receive' date=' YOU DO GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR.

 

[b']That being said, yes I do agree with you that just cause a lady is high priced does not guarantee you the experience you hope to get.[/b]

 

So which is it? Should the expectation be that high priced means always better service or not?

 

What you're actually trying to show here is justification on why you, or your ladies, charge a high price. I honestly don't care one way or another, you're allowed to charge whatever price you deem reasonable and the market will dictate your volume based on that, but that's obviously something you're already aware of.

 

In closing, I want to clarify what I'm trying to discuss here. I'm not trying to say that ladies should charge less. I'm simply pointing out that more money does not always equal a better service and I haven't seen any real counter arguments to that overriding statement.

[Studio 110 by Sophia 150333]

Smartnsexy,

 

Wow, I think I will choose to abandon this thread. You completely want to twist everything I say, I am not sure for what purpose. I feel this is hostile and no need to spend my energy on this any longer.

 

Basically at the end of the day, it is about doing some homework on choosing an SP, and communication with the lady is vital. Then there is always....trial and error.

 

Th-Th-That's all folks!

[hisrickiness 110]

I went to Miss Sophia this Friday and she and her friend was the friendliest ladies I have met. We had wine together and browsed their personal photo shots. Are we talking about the same person?

[Studio 110 by Sophia 150333]

I went to Miss Sophia this Friday and she and her friend was the friendliest ladies I have met. We had wine together and browsed their personal photo shots. Are we talking about the same person?

 

 

No hun, this thread got way off track, it started because of a lady using fake pics...then turned into quality and standards of the biz:) lol....

[luv_ladies 193]

the bait and switch is something I have been able to avoid ..thankfully