"Please no black people" ?

[HarryPotter 301]

I've seen this on a few ads on BP. Am I the only one that finds this pretty despicable? Can't say I'd want to meet with a girl that openly racist.

[Lowdark 5613]

Seriously? Inexcusable and unacceptable. I'd like to think they'd be ignored (but know better). Just once I' like ignorance and bigotry to know one bound or two.

[Mister T 45020]

Perhaps reading these three threads; there are several good posts concerning this topic (it's been discussed before):

 

http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=151618

 

 

http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=143689

 

http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=89799

[Bianca Jaguar 39183]

I totally agree with you guys...I guess they have their reason for posting this...colour of skin doesnt represent what a person is like...

 

Their loss....just ignore...there will always be people like that!

Bianca xxx

[Guest *l**e]

I agree with mistert...read those other threads. On its face, these phrases seem awful, but when you take time to consider a few things, it is always as clear as you think.

 

Racism is unacceptable, but that isn't always racism.

[Guest S*rca****sid]

This definitely brings up an interesting legal argument of Human Rights vs. Personal preferences.

Because this is a legal business (as long as the provider is within the legal bounds) she would be required to provide a service to any customer as stated under the Ontario Human Rights Code.

It does bring up other questions. What if it was a woman who wanted services with a particular provider? But what if the provider didn't like the company of other women?

Can the charter dictate what a provider's personal preferences are?

 

I can see whole new challenges being brought up in court.

[Athos 108589]

This definitely brings up an interesting legal argument of Human Rights vs. Personal preferences.

Because this is a legal business (as long as the provider is within the legal bounds) she would be required to provide a service to any customer as stated under the Ontario Human Rights Code.

It does bring up other questions. What if it was a woman who wanted services with a particular provider? But what if the provider didn't like the company of other women?

Can the charter dictate what a provider's personal preferences are?

 

I can see whole new challenges being brought up in court.

 

Well, the Charter wouldn't apply, as it only applies to actions of parliament, legislatures, or governments. But the application of Human Rights codes is interesting. Of course, it would require a complaint, which likely wouldn't be made.

 

I can just imagine ... "Hi Honey ... I'm off to my hearing before the Human Rights Tribunal on the denial of services by an escort. You remember, last year when I was away on that business trip ... Don't worry, I'll be home for dinner."

 

Porthos

[Malika Fantasy 144625]

I personally do not care what colour people are but it is really not uncommon for people that are Indian or Black to ask me if I see them. I see everyone as long as they are clean and respectful.

 

Multiple responses that I have seen over the years in multiple threads.

 

-If the SP is indian or black and say she doesn't want to see people of her own color, it can be because they are sometime small communities and everyone know everyone and she doesn't want to be recognize. It seem especially for East Indian providers.

 

-She may have a pimp.

 

But to be honest, you CANNOT compare this industry to any other. Not food services, you cannot claim humans rights etc.

 

A restaurant is public establishment that provide a service.

An SP is a PERSON that provide a service.

A person has feelings and preferences.

You are kissing, touching, putting your penis in her vagina.

this is intimate and cannot be compare.

 

What if the SP may have try to have sex with black /indians/blue with red dots and is really not attracted sexually to them?

In our civilian life it happen all the time that people states they may have sexual preferences for x races or y hair color.

 

While I do understand it may be discriminatory you cannot ignore someone personal preferences.

 

In my eyes... Would you enjoy having sex with someone knowing they are forcing themselves to be there with you?

[Guest S*rca****sid]

I can just imagine ... "Hi Honey ... I'm off to my hearing before the Human Rights Tribunal on the denial of services by an escort. You remember, last year when I was away on that business trip ... Don't worry, I'll be home for dinner."

 

You're implying that everyone who uses the services of a provider are either married or in a relationship. I don't think that is the case.

You are also implying that no one would make a complaint if they felt they were being discriminated against out of shear embarrassment. What about all the people that have fought for gay rights?

 

If no one ever stepped forward to challenge society or laws, we would still be living like it was the 1950's. Look at how much has changed.

[Athos 108589]

I personally do not care what colour people are but it is really not uncommon for people that are Indian or Black to ask me if I see them. I see everyone as long as they are clean and respectful.

 

Multiple responses that I have seen over the years in multiple threads.

 

-If the SP is indian or black and say she doesn't want to see people of her own color, it can be because they are sometime small communities and everyone know everyone and she doesn't want to be recognize. It seem especially for East Indian providers.

 

-She may have a pimp.

 

But to be honest, you CANNOT compare this industry to any other. Not food services, you cannot claim humans rights etc.

 

A restaurant is public establishment that provide a service.

An SP is a PERSON that provide a service.

A person has feelings and preferences.

You are kissing, touching, putting your penis in her vagina.

this is intimate and cannot be compare.

 

What if the SP may have try to have sex with black /indians/blue with red dots and is really not attracted sexually to them?

In our civilian life it happen all the time that people states they may have sexual preferences for x races or y hair color.

 

While I do understand it may be discriminatory you cannot ignore someone personal preferences.

 

In my eyes... Would you enjoy having sex with someone knowing they are forcing themselves to be there with you?

 

Great post Malika ... in this business, everything else has to be trumped by the question of personal consent, which overrides other considerations. If someone is a racist, it's quite reasonable to say that their personal preferences don't trump the right of the customer to be served at a restaurant. But for sex workers, consent does override other considerations. While I agree completely that not seeing clients because of race, ethnicity, etc. is fundamentally distasteful, there may be reasons for the provider's choices.

 

At the end of the day, however, it's hard to say they don't have the right to exercise those choices.

[BootyLoving 2441]

I even remember one point where it's No Black or Lebonese

[Boomer 33202]

Sex for a provider and all women is and should be a matter of consent. I believe they have a legitimate right to decide who they will entertain. I think it doesn't take too much imagination to come up with some very legitimate reasons why they might adopt such a prohibition.

 

No one should condone racial prejudice, but I don't see this as a place where human rights should take precedence. I believe I've have had women decide not to see me because of my age, but I don't cry discrimination. You accept these things and move on, probably wouldn't be a good date if she really doesn't want to see you anyway.

[cyclo 30131]

This definitely brings up an interesting legal argument of Human Rights vs. Personal preferences.

Because this is a legal business (as long as the provider is within the legal bounds) she would be required to provide a service to any customer as stated under the Ontario Human Rights Code.

It does bring up other questions. What if it was a woman who wanted services with a particular provider? But what if the provider didn't like the company of other women?

Can the charter dictate what a provider's personal preferences are?

 

I can see whole new challenges being brought up in court.

 

I posted this comment in a similar thread previously, but I've added some comments based upon the recent Supreme Court's recent review of prostitution laws which have some relevance to this question.

 

An sp can legally refuse to engage in sexual activity with anyone they choose, regardless of the reasons. There are very, very good reasons for this.

 

The question of whether an sp can legally refuse to see clients of a specific ethnicity also applies to whether they can legally refuse to see clients of certain cultures, nationalities, religion, age, gender, size, hygiene, manners, ability to follow instructions, reputation, previous contact... Every reason that's ever been discussed on CERB. You name it! They are legally justified.

 

The Canadian Human Rights Act prohibits the "denial of service" based upon "race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, age, sex, sexual orientation, marital status, family status, disability...". Therefore if you only look at the Canadian Human Rights Act, you might think an sp cannot refuse to provide service to a client based upon race. However it's not that simple.

 

Regardless of what the Canadian Human Rights Act says, neither the state nor a client can compel an sp (or anyone for that matter) to have sex with someone they don't want to have sex with. Why? Because compelling/forcing someone to engage in sexual activity conflicts with the sexual assault provisions of the Criminal Code of Canada. When there's a conflict between the Canadian Human Rights Act and the Criminal Code of Canada, the Criminal Code takes precedence.

 

The Criminal Code protects the person who does not "consent" or want to engage in sexual activity, regardless of what their reasons are for not consenting. Even if their reasons for not consenting conflict with the Canadian Human Rights Act, they are protected by the Criminal Code. Society's goal of protecting people from prejudice is obviously very commendable. However, the harm caused by legally forcing someone to have sex against their will is greater than the harm caused to the prospective client by denying sex to them based on race or ethnicity etc.

 

The Criminal Code of Canada provisions for sexual assault require that "consent" be given when engaging in sexual activity. Sexual activity without "consent", regardless of why consent is withheld, is sexual assault. The Criminal Code also states that "Consent" "requires the voluntary agreement... to engage in the sexual activity in question."

 

If an sp felt legally "obliged", "compelled" or "forced" to engage in sexual activity with someone because of the Canadian Human Rights Act they would be engaging in sexual activity under "duress". In other words, there would be no "voluntary agreement... to engage in the sexual activity." This is the very definition of sexual assault. This is also a good example of why "No means no." Not, "No means no... but only if you have a good reason."

 

There's a fundamental principle at work here. Neither the state nor another individual can compel us to do something with our bodies that we do not want to do, regardless of whether our reasons are reasonable or unreasonable. This is a very good thing!

 

In addition, as the Supreme Court pointed out in its recent prostitution decision, laws which are designed to achieve a social good (for example the Human Rights Act) cannot be justified if they cause unreasonable harm to individuals. In this discussion, that would be a sex worker's right to decide what they do with their body and their right to freely give or refuse sexual consent and not feel obliged by law to engage in any sexual activity. As we are all aware, sex work should be a mutually consensual service. It is not the sale/purchase of a body for use by the client as they desire. (Which is how many opponents of consensual sex work would describe it). While the Supreme Court's decision focused on the prostitution laws which it was hearing arguments about, they had a lot to say about the safety and security of sex work and sex workers in general. Those comments can be read into the application of other laws as precedent.

[Guest *l**e]

Even a restaurant can "refuse entry to anyone at any time at management's discretion".

Obviously if you could prove racism, that restaurant would be punished one way or another, but the point is if this type of business can "refuse entry", certainly an sp can as well.

[Old Dog 179138]

The OP said "Can't say I'd want to meet with a girl that openly racist."

 

The short answer? Don't, if that's the way you feel.

 

This is not a defense of the provider in question. I have no idea who she is, where she is located or what services she provides. Her presumed beliefs do NOT reflect my own.

 

We can draw all kinds of conclusions in our own minds as to why the provider has set this proviso. Without her being on the board and willing to defend her stated preferences, we're all blowing hot air.

 

There could be a MYRIAD of reasons that the provider has stated this publicly.

 

If it affects you directly, then that's one provider that you can't see. Move along to one of the countless providers that WILL see you. She is NOT the only person in town offering services in exchange for remuneration.

 

If it doesn't affect you directly, then you also have the choice to see or not see that provider. It's up to you.

 

Just food for thought.

[Moviefan 1238]

Her body her choice.

 

I am a little puzzled were does it say that a service provider is not allowed to choose who her clients are.

 

No one questions our choice of which provider we see.

 

She is not posting racist comments or racist slanders, she is expressing a personal choice.

[Clutch 711]

There was a girl who kept telling me "no greek, no greek." And I kept responding, "I'm not greek, quit covering your bum."

 

/joke

[Hannah Star 2136]

is it ok for me to say :

preferably no white ppl

a little spice is always nice heehee

plus I don't want to accidently meet someone I might know in the community ...jjk

[Casper 280]

Seriously, calling it a human rights issue is an insult to the concept of human rights. No woman should ever be required to have sex with anyone she does not want to, nor will it ever be possible to legally defend such a position based on you paying for service (as the above poster so eloquently stated)

 

You will never be entitled to have sex with a person just because you have cash on hand. Heck you even see on most SP ads that you are paying for the time and anything extra is between two consenting adults.

 

I don't mean to sound aggressive, but there really are people with a lot bigger problems in this world than some hot escort that won't see them because of her personal preference. People are quick to scream human rights violation on the smallest of issues these days without really giving it much thought.

 

Besides, what kind of experience do you think you would have with a woman that doesn't even like you and why would you want it?

 

She probably listed it as a time saver for herself and anyone looking to be involved with her. Whether she still gets other people's business is their choice.

[mrblack14 570]

This subject will come up time and time again. Every once in awhile I chime in as I've been discriminated against once or twice in my lifetime...

 

There's a very fine line here... the thing is, there are some people who are slightly insensitive about the situation and say "hey, who cares just move on".

 

I'll tell you, most of us don't lose sleep over the fact that an SP didn't want to meet us... but that doesn't mean on the spot it doesn't bother us. It doesn't matter if it's an SP, or someone at Mcdonald's not wanting to serve me. If you are denied service for less than a good reason it's upsetting.

 

People who are quick to say "who cares, move on" I encourage you to think about it seriously...think about a moment you were discriminated against for whatever reason then re-evaluate whether or not your answer is still "who cares, move on".

 

Now objectively, better the SP mention it in her ad like most have said. There's no point if SP isn't into it.

 

Why she may not be into black people? That's none of your business. It's disappointing when they say "yeah a black guy was aggressive with me, they are all like that". Generalizations are ignorant, but those who generalize typically are too. Really, it comes down to the fact that there is something else bothering you, because most people are reasonable and don't just make up their minds based on one experience (unless it was really that traumatizing).

 

On the flip side, why read into it so much? Just because the SP's ad says no black people doesn't mean she's racist. Maybe, just maybe black people don't turn this particular SP's gears. We all have a favourite flavour of ice cream, that's not discrimination. We don't have to talk about the human rights act.

 

It's a brand new year people, respect each other and be kind to one and other...We'll be just fine!

[Dbass34 2238]

Many of good comments on this, so I will only share with you my opinion...

 

As far as I am concern, I rather being inform that a SP doesn't like to be with a guy like me (yes, I am a Black guy). I will never understand the idea of being with someone who doesn't want to be with me. I don't catch that... Where is the fun?

 

This is 2014 but... even if it still doesn't happend often, racism/prejudice/or ignorance (call it the way you want) is still part of the world and we will died before it will be totally erase. It is frustrating, I am agree, but Yes, at the end of the day - Who cares? I don't, so I move on! I had many racism'battles in my life, but this one is not a real one (well, for me).

 

Pleanty of Beautiful and pleasant Ladies available. So if a SP mentioned that she does want to meet black people, I prefer that. Also, while contacting a SP, I will always ask her if she has an issue with this queston, cause I don't have time to loose. I will just go meet another one and have a great time with her.

 

Happy New Year to all the CERB Community

 

The Black Bass

[BootyLoving 2441]

It's a sensitive matter within a sensitive business which can get intimate and personal. The world isn't black and white, right or wrong. Girls chooses to see people of certain age, of certain race, even skin tone. I can tell you, then even in the coloured community, there is shade discrimination.

 

Feelings get hurt when an SP you are interested says she isn't interested in seeing people of your colour or ethnicity. Would you rather waste your time to book 2 hours off, clean, dress up, drive there, be at the front door, when it opens she says sorry, I don't think we are compatible.

 

 

There has been cases where black girls would state, no black people, or Asian girls saying no Asian men. Discrimination? Maybe not. I've asked some of these girls why, and the reasons vary. But it all boils down to their own comfort level. It's not always a hard rule, you can persuade her that you don't fall into her stereotype or her reasoning. I've done so a few times challenge someone's ad, but it's a skill of dealing with the other person as a human being, not as a service.

[CristyCurves 169032]

I to thought of such decisions to be of a racist nature and posted so when another provider on another site wouldn't see Indians. But after discussing it I saw it differently. This sp's reasons for choosing not to see black people may be many, and those are her business, after all it is hers, and her choice to see whoever she likes, feels safe with and is attracted to. We may not like what others do but as it's been told to me, we can't control what others do but we can control how we respond and accept others actions:)

[Guest **n****er]

I think as an adult wizard you'd be able to cast a spell that would allow you to see whoever you felt like? J/K

 

Seeing more and more of the no black people ads lately. Usually looks like current/former strippers or Toronto visitors. Just one of those weird things. Regardless of reason its pretty dumb. It is an intimate act and all that I get it but its still a job. If I'm an independent contractor I'm trying to maximize my profits by having as big a client base as possible. But whateves.

[Guest P*rry]

I'm less certain after reading some of the views of SPs. Nonetheless, I still believe that such ads are discriminatory and wrong.