Clean bbbj

[Carrie Moon 68826]

I will echo Fortunateone's posts. I'm a CBJ only provider. I do duos with many colleagues who are BBBJ providers. I put the condom on when I am performing.. they take it of when they are. My comfort is paramount during an appt in order for me to perform at my best.. and as for CBJ being 'useless'. I don't take offense.. that is the opinion of several who haven't experienced a great CBJ. There are literally 1000's of happy customers in my wake who can say they not only enjoyed it but didn't leave wondering if they were safe or not.

 

This is not to dismiss my many friends and colleagues who partake in BBBJ. The risks are low.. but they are still there.. or why get tested at all?

 

As for trusting the clients to get tested regularly? few do.. believe me.

[Ann Gallerie 7910]

My dear Cinelli, what a pleasure! Please allow me, if you will, an alternate point of view with respect to FortunateOne's post,

 

A CBJ is not a "whim", an eccentricity, or something to negotiate.

 

It goes a long way to protecting you, your escort, your SO's, and anyone else you contact.

 

Lots of guys say that it is nominal risk, that life is a risk; that the stuff is curable, and oh heck we're all gonna die anyway, and, finally, who's dollar is it anyway?

 

Good! Plenty of providers subscribe to this.

 

And then there are those of us who don't, which, on reflection, I am certain that you can respect.

 

Best

 

Ann

[roamingguy 300291]

What a lady offers is her boundary, what she is comfortable with. Whether it is her rate or her services, it is what she offers and is her boundaries. Asking for a different service or rates, IMHO is all akin to negotiating and inappropriate.

If the lady offers something different to a specific client that she normally doesn't offer that is a different story, but since the boundaries are hers, she is the one who can bend/break them for a client. It isn't up to a client to ask her to bend/break them for him. Just my opinion

 

RG

[mrgreen760 37785]

I recall the times and they were quite recent that a bbbj was virtually non-existent. It never occurred to me to request this service prior to booking, during the session or after. But I would say almost all the providers (more than 30) I saw performed them unsolicited. I was quite surprised.

 

One of the reasons I didn't write many reviews or reco's was I didn't think it was appropriate to comment on something that at the time I didn't know was regularly provided. I guess I thought I was special....lol

 

Now it's openly spoken about, offered, advertised, often expected and maybe even a deal breaker for some. Not real sure why or even when this shift has occurred but it did, maybe a newer generation of players are just more open about it.

 

Peace

MG

[roamingguy 300291]

I recall the times and they were quite recent that a bbbj was virtually non-existent. It never occurred to me to request this service prior to booking, during the session or after. But I would say almost all the providers (more than 30) I saw performed them unsolicited. I was quite surprised.

 

One of the reasons I didn't write many reviews or reco's was I didn't think it was appropriate to comment on something that at the time I didn't know was regularly provided. I guess I thought I was special....lol

 

Now it's openly spoken about, offered, advertised, often expected and maybe even a deal breaker for some. Not real sure why or even when this shift has occurred but it did, maybe a newer generation of players are just more open about it.

 

Peace

MG

 

And there is a difference in a lady in a lady offering something unsolicited, where she bends/breaks her own boundaries versus a client asking a lady to bend/break her boundaries for him

Given the YMMV factor too, very appropriate not talking about it in a reco/review

 

RG

[Stoner 736]

It's like any other service out there....if the lady offers bbbj or a cbj it is up to her IMO she sets the ground rules as to what service is offered and what isn't offered.

It is up to me to say ok I'm happy with that or move on and find someone who provides what I want

[Canadiansnowland 740]

I have had hundreds of bbbj's and not once has there been a problem, never. Don't over think this.

[fortunateone 156618]

There's no need for resentment. I've already said that it's quite common for CBJ-only advertisers to provide BBBJ to most clients. However, I would never ask before or during, but I have asked immediately after a session, in person, on a few occasions, and always received a polite reply one way or the other. It's not carrot dangling at all; it's a legitimate, straightforward question with no pressure intended or implied.

 

 

I didn't say that i resented your comment, but I do resent the person who goes to see a cbj advertiser/provider (myself) and asks me for this at any time even if they wait until after session, and/or prior to booking the next appt. To me, the assumption that advertising and doing cbj is not the final answer is bizarre to me.

 

 

 

I don't think you realize the implication of what you are doing. If you want/need/prefer bbbjs, book appts only with bbbj advertisers, or accept the cbj on the menu and do not ask for more. I don't think you realize the difference between something freely and readily given (the cbj) , and the bbbj an sp may be giving out of fear of lost income.

[rubintugger 3301]

I think that the subject is a very individual one, both ways. But, saying that:

 

1: An SP stating that BBBJ is on the menu but YMMV is bad form. Then a client shows up expecting something that he doesn't receive, and in not getting it, is insulted that he falls into the "No" category of YMMV.

 

2: A client demanding BBBJ from a provider that does not specifically advertise it is crossing the line too. But there is a big difference between demanding it and mentioning that you enjoy it. Many SP do not mention its availability for reason 1, but if you are in what would be the "Yes" part of YMMV, they might be happy to provide it, especially if it creates a new customer long term.

 

Personally, I'm a CBJ guy. For a number of reasons, not the least of which is safety, but also that I am very sensitive to the stimulation. So CBJ works better for me. But I am amazed at the number of SP's that did not offer BBBJ that I have seen in the past that have said to me "Don't put this in your review" or "Pinky swear not to review me" and then Sluuurp. Everything from BBBJ through BBBJTC CIMWS. From a "safety girl".

 

I guess it comes down to tact. If its a deal breaker, establish that up front, don't expect to be able to "convince her" once you get there. And if you are happy without it, but think it would be the icing on the cake, and have built a repore, the "I'm not sure if you ever do it, but I am comfortable with it if you do..." gives her the option of offering without the obligation of feeling she has to.

[LeeRichards 177238]

Other than covered everything or abstinence ...... I think the safest way is to have an incall right at the clinic.

 

Shower in one room, go to the next room where the cot is and get a bbbj and shag like the dickens maybe, then go to the next room and pee in a cup and go home and hope the phone doesn't ring.

[Horndog66 14104]

Other than covered everything or abstinence ...... I think the safest way is to have an incall right at the clinic.

 

Shower in one room, go to the next room where the cot is and get a bbbj and shag like the dickens maybe, then go to the next room and pee in a cup and go home and hope the phone doesn't ring.

Thanks for lightening the tenor of this thread. :icon_mrgreen:

[Stoner 736]

What was the original post amyway?

[belgbeer 470]

Below, the opinion of Dr. Hunter Hansfield, an accomplished physician at the University of Washington's School of Medicine. He's probably done more research on STD's than anyone else on the planet:

 

"1) Oral sex carries substantially lower risk for STDs than vaginal or anal sex. There is risk for several but not all STDs are transmissible by oral sex. Chlamydia is not, and HSV-2 is rare. HSV-1, gonorrhea, and syphilis are possible for either the oral or penile partner; and nongonococcal urethritis (NGU) for the penile partner. HPV can be transmitted from genitals to mouth, but rarely causes symptoms or any health problem in the oral cavity. HIV transmission by oral sex probably occurs, very rarely.

 

2) Most people don't bother with condoms for oral sex, and experts don't emphasize them, since the overall risks are low. However, if you want maximum STD protection in sex with other men, condoms make sense for oral as well as anal sex. You're right about the incurable STDs, but except for HIV they rarely cause important health problems, so not really much cause for worry.

 

3) Search the HIV forum for innumerable discussions about HIV and oral sex. The bottom line is that if the penile partner is infected, the risk for the oral partner has been estimated at 1 in 10,000; in the opposite direction, about 1 in 20,000. Those odds are equivalent to having oral sex with infected partners once daily for 27 years and 55 years, respectively, before you might expect to catch HIV.

 

4) The symptoms of STDs transmitted by oral sex include blisters/sores of the mouth, throat, or penis; and discharge of pus or mucus from the penis."

http://www.medhelp.org/posts/STDs/Oral-Sex-Risk/show/1453697

[bcguy42 38594]

Im looking for something similar to EB experience but that ends with a BBBJ

 

My only fear is STDs, so I ask for experiences and recommendations. This is my first time trying something like this so cleanliness is a must.

 

If you want to say something that cannot be shared in a forum, then please PM me.

 

Stoner - this was the OP.

[politeguy 120]

Mr. LeeRichards, you almost got me in trouble. I was laughing so hard that someone asked me what was that funny -- I went to a different web site before he could see what I was really laughing about. Unfortunately, it was cbc.ca and there was nothing funny there :( I am now trying to think up a good explanation.

[The General 11309]

I believe for the most part Cerb members respect the limits of the providers, and would not demand bbbj from them. Ask, maybe, demand is another level.

 

I don't blame guys for asking the cbj providers, and they shouldn't be surprised or offended. This reason being is that cbj providers, can often be ymmv bbbj providers, but just don't advertise that way. So, due to that, some will ask, either before booking or perhaps if considering a return visit. So long as it is done politely, and not demanding, I don't get why the feathers get ruffled.

[Gabriella Laurence 301886]

... So long as it is done politely, and not demanding, I don't get why the feathers get ruffled.

Because you are not an SP- that advertises CBJ only and only provides what she advertises...

[bcguy42 38594]

... This reason being is that cbj providers, can often be ymmv bbbj providers, but just don't advertise that way. ...

 

And I don't get this. This is at least the third time this has been expressed in this thread. Why would someone assume an SP could willingly provide a service directly opposite of what she advertises? Especially a service as polarizing as bbbj vs cbj? Am I missing something by taking an SP's website at face value?

[Hector17 9215]

And I don't get this. This is at least the third time this has been expressed in this thread. Why would someone assume an SP could willingly provide a service directly opposite of what she advertises? Especially a service as polarizing as bbbj vs cbj? Am I missing something by taking an SP's website at face value?

 

Maybe...

 

it's not a make or break thing for me, but of course I prefer bbbj, however IMPE 2 out of 3, all of whom advertised "Safe/cbj" dispensed with that right from the get go...no discussion of it and without my even asking....although to their credit, they did ask me if I was Ok with that...

Of course...I was quite OK :-) with it

 

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: I repeat with all of them

[The General 11309]

Possibly because it happens....

And I don't get this. This is at least the third time this has been expressed in this thread. Why would someone assume an SP could willingly provide a service directly opposite of what she advertises? Especially a service as polarizing as bbbj vs cbj? Am I missing something by taking an SP's website at face value?

 

Additional Comments:

Fair point, but I know ladies that say cbj only, and then provide bbbj. So, hard to know what to believe, sometimes you need to ask.

Because you are not an SP- that advertises CBJ only and only provides what she advertises...

[fortunateone 156618]

 

Additional Comments:

Fair point, but I know ladies that say cbj only, and then provide bbbj.

 

 

Fair point, however, in none of these examples do i see the sp doing the bbbj based on being asked for it by the client, she has done it voluntarily or offered.

 

That is the point, of all of us cbj advertiser providers. Don't encourage clients to ask, don't ask, and don't expect that all the sps all do it all the time all it takes it to ask. This is the thing that we find offensive. To disrespect the ad and the sp, by this assumption that the ad is somehow a lie.

 

Whether some sps put it in the ad, but provide it anyway is neither here nor there, the post was advising guys to ask for it regardless. The sp will let you know if this is something that is flexible or not, and the ones who are not flexible won't label you as a potential pushy problem client lol

 

I don't know but if it were me as the client, I'd prefer not to be labeled as a potential pushy problem client guy, but more as a guy who doesn't ask for things that haven't been advertised.

[Horndog66 14104]

The best solution for the SPs who currently advertise CBJ only but usually provide BBBJ would be to advertise "BBBJ (YMMV)", or something to that effect. Unfortunately, few SPs are willing to do that. I suspect it's because they fear problems with clients to whom they don't want to provide BBBJ for hygiene or other reasons.

 

That said, I don't agree with FO that a client who asks a provider who advertises CBJ only is pushy or problematic if he asks politely after the first session, "Would you consider doing BBBJ next time?" All the SP has to do is reply, "No, sorry, it's a strict rule and I don't make exceptions". On the other hand, if the client then attempts to negotiate somehow, that would definitely be pushy.

 

One last note - very few SPs are totally honest about their ages, measurements and weights, so why should they be offended if a client questions other items in their ads such as CBJ only when it's well known that many SPs don't follow what they say about it?

[cinelli 22184]

I believe for the most part Cerb members respect the limits of the providers, and would not demand bbbj from them. Ask, maybe, demand is another level.

 

If you have seen someoen a few times you will know whether or not to ask.

 

There's girls I have asked and received, there's others I would not dream of asking.

[Brad 49548]

That said, I don't agree with FO that a client who asks a provider who advertises CBJ only is pushy or problematic if he asks politely after the first session, "Would you consider doing BBBJ next time?" All the SP has to do is reply, "No, sorry, it's a strict rule and I don't make exceptions". On the other hand, if the client then attempts to negotiate somehow, that would definitely be pushy.

 

While I'm sure politely asking is far from the worst thing a client can do, I can certainly see how it would be annoying to be asked. Think of it from the lady's point of view. You take the time to make your website/ad and put all necessary information in there that you can think of. And then despite doing so people still ask the question. That tells them you either didn't take the time to read their rules or don't believe what they say.

 

Probably not so bad the first or second or fifth time it happens. But I'm sure it gets old fast, and a person gets tired of saying they mean it when they say no. Being put into a position where you have to say no can also be awkward for some people, especially when the question was already answered in the ad.

 

To be fair, I'm sure some ladies don't mind being asked. Personally, I just don't think it's worth the chance at, even unintentionally, offending or annoying someone.

 

One last note - very few SPs are totally honest about their ages, measurements and weights, so why should they be offended if a client questions other items in their ads such as CBJ only when it's well known that many SPs don't follow what they say about it?

 

While I disagree with your first point I at least understand it and see where you're coming from, but this part doesn't make sense to me at all. I'm sure some people do play around with figures on age and measurements, but you can't seriously equate that to posted rules and restrictions. I mean, using that logic would you also question a lady about her donation amount?

[fortunateone 156618]

^^ thanks for explaining it well lol.

 

Remember as a client whatever you ask is never going to be the first time the sp is being asked that. Normally a potential client asks that prior to booking the appt, It is important to him, this is what he wants, this is the time to ask it. I have been asked by callers before after hearing the services, do i ever waive that cbj for repeat clients. My answer is no, he knows going in if he books, and he has the option to not book.

 

Prior to booking is the time to ask, not after an appt.

 

Asking a cbj provider, who hasn't indicated that bbbj is ever an option, after the session seems rude to me. it kind of implies that you'd repeat if she complies, it kind of implies that there is only one right answer to get repeat business, she thinks she just finished a great appt, and now she finds out it wasn't great at all cuz this guy wants bbbjs, which she doesn't provide, and

it leaves a really bitter feeling at the end of what she thinks is a great session.

 

To put it into a client analogy, let's just say that he thinks the session was great, she provides everything he could have wanted, and at a rate he thinks is fair. After the appt, she looks at him after he says, gee, is it OK if i call you again for another appt, and she says, sure, but to get all those services again, I'll be charging you an extra $50. You can repeat with me, but not at today's rate.

 

You'd kind of feel soured by the whole experience. You thought you were an ideal client, you thought you were getting along just fine, you didn't ask for anything extra, and you liked the sp. Now you find out that in order to repeat with her, she will expect more $$ or she'll turn you down. kind of leaves a bitter memory instead of a pleasant one.