new prostitution bill

[Studio 110 by Sophia 150333]

So when is this suppose to be I effect? I understand this is the first reading, but do they still have the right to enforce it now that it has been publically announced?

[Guest C*****tte]

News outlets keep using the word NOW in the headlines but it is only at the very first step of the process.

 

http://www.canadahistoryproject.ca/can-govt-today/can-govt-today-14-how-laws-made.html

[Guest N***he**Ont**y]

Canadian Law cannot be applied to Sites that are hosted elsewhere for content.That would include advertising.

 

Let me further this statement a bit further as I have had some experience in the area of websites that have been hosted overseas due to Grey Area legislation.

[Miss S. Lane 67128]

No advertising? No communicating anywhere? Purchasing illegal without exception?

 

 

 

Am I reading this wrong?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I expect there will be changes before it becomes law but will be surprised if they are more than superficial.

 

 

You are reading it wrong. No communication in public. No different than now. :)

[Guest N***he**Ont**y]

So when is this suppose to be I effect? I understand this is the first reading, but do they still have the right to enforce it now that it has been publically announced?

 

It is not the law of the land yet so it gives you time to plan and prepare for the changes to come.

[Miss S. Lane 67128]

Independents will not be punished for advertising. It's our body we do what we want. Communication in public still illegal (funny, wasn't that already struck down???). Working girls families are no longer criminals for benefiting from avails.

 

Not AS bad. The clients being criminal thing is tough, but that's where established providers are going to be ok. Clients know they aren't a "sting". The new ones that pop up will suffer.

 

The entire purpose of Bedford was to help street workers and this hasn't helped them AT ALL!!!!!

[Guest N***he**Ont**y]

Absolutely true. The foreign host may choose not to cooperate, but most will cough up personal information when pressed by legal authorities in their own countries. The targets are the advertisers offering service in Canada, not the server physically located in Canada.

 

CERB will be illegal. The sponsors/advertisers which help to cover site costs will be illegal. They pretty much went for the jugular. This is an attempt to wipe out the industry.

There are foreign hosts that will host almost any material. Servers can be leased under many different methods of incorporation.

[jg24 3707]

The oldest profession Peter McKay you can try and stop it but you won't. This has to go thru 3 readings commitee hearings and the Senate.

[Guest N***he**Ont**y]

Actually the oldest profession is thieving self serving politicians!

[mrgreen760 37785]

Not real surprised as for every action there is a reaction. When the Supreme Court decision came down my first thought was oh oh this might not be such a good thing as now they'll have to react. It's actually a pretty easy one for them because most average Canadians who really have no idea what actually goes on will see this as a good thing and it won't impact the vast majority of them any way. Legalizing pot has way more support from jane and john public by comparison.

 

Not saying it's right, just saying what it is.

 

Interesting times.

 

Peace

MG

[oldblueeyez 15475]

Ha ha, I wonder what old Elmer thinks of his son's proposed legislation (shhhhhhh!)

 

As far as Canadian law reaching abroad, yes in many countries it would, but good luck getting anything out of Russian-based providers. Canadian officials better get used to hearing "Fuck you" in a Russian accent. lol. Canadian ISP providers are more than happy to hand over your surfing habits to law enforcement without a warrant, so using something like TOR might help maintain your privacy. It wouldn't be illegal to view ads offering prostitution online, but who knows what the future holds? But I guess it doesn't matter where an escort advertises, Canada based or foreign sites, as the fact is that a Canadian provider is advertising to Canadian customers and that's all that matters. :( But what if Canadian providers advertised on foreign-based sites to foreign customers, and if Canadian customers just happened to call her, then oops, not her fault because she expressly said in her ad, "Non-Canadian customers only"?

 

I don't think the Nordic Model is as successful as claimed. I don't think it stops prostitution, more likely it outsources it abroad. Prostitution is permitted and popular in Denmark, and some of its popularity is no doubt due to men visiting from the other 'Nordic Model' countries. Also, going further abroad, I'd like to know just how many Scandinavian men take vacations to Angeles City, Pattaya, San Jose, Medellin, etc.

 

And yes, we men are automatically made criminals, but what else is new?

 

If anything pisses off Quebec and rekindles separatism, this may just be it! lol

 

It's sad, as it takes a certain type of person to work in such an environment, but I can see the back rooms of strip joints being used much more often to schedule after hours rendevous after a very touchy-feely vetting process.

[redmana2 2753]

There are foreign hosts that will host almost any material. Servers can be leased under many different methods of incorporation.

 

True, but no bittorrent host has yet withstood pressure when targeted by those wanting information. That's just copyright laws which can vary widely in terms of legality and public perception. Knock at the court's door claiming human trafficking or endangerment of youth, which you know is the card they will play, and I don't know how much faith I have that these foreign courts or hosts will fight for the privacy of tenants far overseas.

 

We're going into uncharted waters for sure. Lots of questions...

[tomfool 220]

Hopefully you are right. I am not a lawyer so no sense in me trying to read the bill. I was going by what the National Post published.

 

"The new law makes it an offence for the first time in Canada to purchase sexual services, or to communicate in any place for that purpose. It makes it an offence to receive a material benefit from sexual services and it prohibits the advertising of sexual services in newspapers or online."

 

I guess we will need to hear more in the next few days but it seems to me to boil down to the fact that it will be illegal to pay for sex period. A big step backward in my opinion.

[Midnite-Energies 110563]

[lipualipua 4704]

........ It's actually a pretty easy one for them because most average Canadians who really have no idea what actually goes on will see this as a good thing and it won't impact the vast majority of them any way. Legalizing pot has way more support from jane and john public by comparison.

 

Not saying it's right, just saying what it is.

 

Interesting times.

 

Peace

MG

 

A perspicacious observation. Cheers.

[Cato 160314]

CBC News poll just said 12% support the new law, 86% do not.

 

Thanks for these stats, Malika. That's encouraging, at least, that not only will this eventually be shot down by the Supreme Court but that it may not wash politically either.

So what's the point? Playing to the hardline conservative base, for one thing, and trying to fix the government's damaged reputation for being 'moral', after the scandals of the past year, the again-in-the-news robocall issue and things like that.

But the bill represents a morality most Canadians reject, if Malika's figures are right, and they reject it by a huge majority. It's intrusive, paternalistic, puritanical, bad legislation. And this from a government that killed the long form census on the grounds that it violated people's privacy!

[cinelli 22184]

I can be an SP but I can't talk about it, advertise

 

286.5 No person shall be prosecuted for

 

a) an offence under section 286.2 if the benefit derived is from the

provision of their own sexual services or

 

b) an offence made under section 286.4 in relation to the advertisementr of their own sexual services.

 

Sooo...I would say SPs are allowed to do their own advertising and keep their own earnings. Advertising a doubles partner is OUT! And guys posting ads on behalf of SPs is also OUT!

[newboy 4919]

I don't really know what to say about all of this. In the long run, will it really change anything?

 

Is any SP really advertising "sexual services"?

 

For the most part, I see them advertising "time and companionship".

 

As far as the gents being caught in a sting operation, would not any good lawyer be able to argue entrapment?

(Not that I would want to be the first gent to test the waters...)

 

Of course the cops will have a field day once, (if), the law comes into effect.

 

Stay with your regulars guys, don't go chasing the "newbies".

 

NB

[Guest N***he**Ont**y]

Sites in Asia have hosted satellite pirates sites for years which offered methods of circumventing sat signals without fear of prosecution from law enforcment of foreign countries. Advertising Companionship services is quite common there and they would not bat an eyelash about it.

[oldblueeyez 15475]

What about a site where men and women simply shoot the shit (but never a word about the industry or else banned) and trade contact information via PM? To avoid client entrapment a referral/vouching system would be used. There would be no advertising revenue, but there would be a membership fee (I'm sure such a site would be worth $10 or $20 a month to everyone involved (including providers), and if potential clients can't afford that, then do you really want them as clients?). If somebody wants to have a sexy avatar and post sexy pics of themselves, that's totally legal, is it not? Top it all off by the site provider being based in a non-cooperative country like Russia, and where's the risk, especially if one uses TOR?

[cinelli 22184]

Lots of SPs are very specific about what services they offer and have specific price lists in their ads/websites.

 

ie "Trip to Greece $100 extra".

 

That doesn't fool anybody.

[Ordinem 278]

I was thinking of getting a vasectomy, but maybe castration is a better idea!

[Studio 110 by Sophia 150333]

286.5 No person shall be prosecuted for

 

a) an offence under section 286.2 if the benefit derived is from the

provision of their own sexual services or

 

b) an offence made under section 286.4 in relation to the advertisementr of their own sexual services.

 

Sooo...I would say SPs are allowed to do their own advertising and keep their own earnings. Advertising a doubles partner is OUT! And guys posting ads on behalf of SPs is also OUT!

 

NOT JUST GUY'S ...I am an agent, and female, don't think the law will state "guy's" ....it is ANY one other then the SP/MA that will be illegal.

[cinelli 22184]

What about a site where men and women simply shoot the shit (but never a word about the industry or else banned) and trade contact information via PM? To avoid client entrapment a referral/vouching system would be used.

 

CRAP I forgot about Bill C-13 Protecting Canadians From Online Crime Act. They will have the ability to monitor your net use without a warrant. So no privacy on the net period.

[Miss S. Lane 67128]

Lots of SPs are very specific about what services they offer and have specific price lists in their ads/websites.

 

ie "Trip to Greece $100 extra".

 

That doesn't fool anybody.

 

 

If they are advertising their own sexual services they won't be prosecuted anyway. So what difference does it make?