Words now in the CENSOR list and why...

[Meaghan McLeod 179664]

Pardon my ignorance, I'm a newb.

 

The OP alludes to a list of censored words but I cannot find one. Is there such a list and if so may I have the link? Or is it just a matter of applying common sense?

 

Thanks HGR

 

Any word or acronym that refers to sexual terms is censored.

[Phaedrus 209521]

Pardon my ignorance, I'm a newb.

 

The OP alludes to a list of censored words but I cannot find one. Is there such a list and if so may I have the link? Or is it just a matter of applying common sense?

 

Thanks HGR

 

A lot of it is common sense... but have you ever tried teaching a computer to understand common sense? If so, you'll understand why it doesn't always work as well as it might.

 

There's two things going on here. First, some things are just getting filtered out, and if you try to post with one of those in it then you'll get an error message that links to the censor list. That published list is separate from the ones the machines use (it's designed to be human-readable, for one thing :) ) and so it may not be completely up to date, but I'm sure Mod's doing his best (and again, if things are missing, tell him!).

 

Second, some things get auto-replaced when posts are displayed, e.g. xxx (that was three of the letter between w and y when I typed it in and now it's "[A]").

[mod 135639]

Here is a link to the most recent list (It changes often)

http://www.lyla.com/censortext.txt

[Sylvia Star 660]

I'm totally confused not only by this thread but the Cerb censor policy.

Is there a list of censored words somewhere (so we know which words not to circumvent)?

Is there a link to a specific & comprehensive set of new censorship rules somewhere?

 

 

I think it's funny. Trying to place an ad now is like doing a wacky mad lib. Sometimes it just doesn't make sense and you have to go back and edit it.

[mod 135639]

If that is the case you should re think your advertising here. If the system is censoring your words then your posting things you probably should not be advertising here. 4 ladies have already been suspended for 30 days each because they tried to "Work around" the censored words.

[SexxxyRebecca 57974]

Does expression like "having fun" & "playing" are too explicit?

[Parker 19761]

Does expression like "having fun" & "playing" are too explicit?

 

I wouldn't think so...

In general we can have fun, play, entertain, offer companionship... these things don't have to be sexual or even involving touching as far as the law is concerned. (just my opinion of course..)

 

I don't think the new rules are impossible to work with or need to be worked around.. I figure it's probably more annoying for some of the gents who might be looking for something specific that may no longer be advertised/spoken of when not alone, together, in private.

 

To be honest, I'd rather they go a little censor crazy than just shut the site down. It's been a valuable resource for me, (and I'm sure tons others,) for years and years.. I'm quite attached, lol.

[mod 135639]

You can have fun together without offering any sexual activities. Common sense says that private exotic dancing would be legal so nude is fine, massaging (No happy endings) but they can not charge you for offering someone a regular massage or touching another person when both parties agree to physical contact, anything that involves penetration, or orrgasmmmms would be bad. spanking should be fine unless your offering some sort of penis spanking or breast spanking... just common sense. Don't offer anything that could be considered sexual.

 

AGAIN... I DID NOT WRITE THE LAW!! They PURPOSELY did not define what constitutes a SEXUAL SERVICE so it is up to the courts to decide. No one wants to be that person in front of that judge.... they (the government knew this) so they made it vague on purpose.

[waterat 20911]

.....To be honest, I'd rather they go a little censor crazy than just shut the site down. It's been a valuable resource for me, (and I'm sure tons others,) for years and years.. I'm quite attached, lol.....

 

I agree. Unfortunately for Michaella's Caress she attempted to post a 'slam' poem (being the creative girl she is) and got herself banned over the holiday season!

 

A lesson to all to be overly careful and discreet.

[Guest A**aTo**h]

Censorship, whether well-meaning (prevention of hate mongering), still often prevents the expression of good words, thoughts and ideas.

[MightyPen 67414]

Censorship, whether well-meaning (prevention of hate mongering), still often prevents the expression of good words, thoughts and ideas.

That's true. So there always has to be a worthwhile aim in mind to justify the costs that come with censorship.

 

In this case, it's because this site needs to unmistakably separate itself from the purchase of sex or carrying ads for such services, as both are now illegal.

 

I'd rather have a free and open CERB than a censored one. But I'll take a censored one (temporarily, I hope) if the alternative is no CERB at all.

[roamingguy 300291]

Censorship, whether well-meaning (prevention of hate mongering), still often prevents the expression of good words, thoughts and ideas.

 

Also to keep in mind, CERB, well Lyla isn't Canadian society bound by the Charter of Rights and we are not speaking in public. It is a private board where the members are bound by the rules of that board.

The owners and Mod have to contend with the laws imposed by MacKay's draconian law, not the board members. They are the ones who have to worry about legal ramifications, not us

Now if a member here wants an uncensored board, start one up

If you don't like what's happened to Lyla, remember this at election time and kick the CPC out

But as MightyPen says, I'd rather have a censored CERB to no CERB at all

 

RG

[Guest A**aTo**h]

That's true. So there always has to be a worthwhile aim in mind to justify the costs that come with censorship.

 

In this case, it's because this site needs to unmistakably separate itself from the purchase of sex or carrying ads for such services, as both are now illegal.

 

I'd rather have a free and open CERB than a censored one. But I'll take a censored one (temporarily, I hope) if the alternative is no CERB at all.

 

Yes, also wishing for a free and open Lyla, and I am also hoping this is temporary, but you have to admit, some of the censorship is over-the-top in trying to separate itself from sex ads. In a fun ABC movie game, I was censored for using the word "Young" in stating the movie title "Young Frankenstein." (a funny Mel Brooks movie from my youth...oops, is "youth" a bad word too, lol). I was not advertising the movie for sex or for sale of sexual service, I was merely stating the name of a movie that I enjoyed, a movie that started with the letter Y.

 

It was innocuous use of a very innocent word, yet it found the cutting block.

 

I will expect a mild-to-medium lambasting over this post, but would please encourage those to do so freely and with zest! PM me, call me a creep, a non-conformist who loves free speech, but please do so with an open mind :)

 

I love being able to reflect my thoughts here, don't get me wrong, I just think that blind censorship, is, well, blind.

 

Oh, and responses to this post are not open to RG, he says too much here already...oh wait...that's ;)

[MightyPen 67414]

I will expect a mild-to-medium lambasting over this post, but would please encourage those to do so freely and with zest! PM me, call me a creep, a non-conformist who loves free speech, but please do so with an open mind :) ... , I just think that blind censorship, is, well, blind.

No, no lambasting at all -- I'm right there with you in noticing that sometimes the filter has unintended consequences and catches perfectly innocuous expressions because some piece of them triggered the filter.

 

I think it's partly a case of the mod's filter design erring on the side of caution, because the potential downside of getting it wrong is so absolute. And partly it's just a filter over-reach that the mod might fix if you let him know about it. I gather from other posts on this subject that innocent word combinations can be allowed, if the mod is aware of them to flag them to the system. The filter is definitely smarter now than it was when it first kicked in.

 

I'll disagree with you that it's "blind" censorship at work here though -- just censorship that needs glasses, and is still working to find just the right prescription. ;)

[Guest A**aTo**h]

No, no lambasting at all -- I'm right there with you in noticing that sometimes the filter has unintended consequences and catches perfectly innocuous expressions because some piece of them triggered the filter.

 

I think it's partly a case of the mod's filter design erring on the side of caution, because the potential downside of getting it wrong is so absolute. And partly it's just a filter over-reach that the mod might fix if you let him know about it. I gather from other posts on this subject that innocent word combinations can be allowed, if the mod is aware of them to flag them to the system. The filter is definitely smarter now than it was when it first kicked in.

 

I'll disagree with you that it's "blind" censorship at work here though -- just censorship that needs glasses, and is still working to find just the right prescription. ;)

 

Thank you sir! Please also take my posts with a grain of salt. Yes I know it is a computer filter, but at the same time, it was not a word that I could find on the MOD's "bad list."

 

I admit it is not blind censorship, perhaps it is one with a white cane and coke-bottled lenses.

 

I'm an advocate of free speech, and my ire is raised at times like these. My anger is not with CERB/Lyla or it's members, but with our MP's/government and ridiculous recent laws that prevent us from promoting classic movies like Youthful Frankenstein (hopefully that modified word slipped in this time).

 

If "Youthful" Frankenstein didn't pass the censors, then maybe...

 

Youngish

Lad-like

Pimple-faced

Short and not old

 

Well, maybe I can have some fun here...

[MightyPen 67414]

Cool! You're right, by the way, about the quality of... um... Cherubic Frankenstein.

 

Hmm... I wonder, can we write "roll in the hay" here? I till remember Terri Garr in the movie: "Roll, roll! Roll in the hay!"

[Guest A**aTo**h]

Cool! You're right, by the way, about the quality of... um... Cherubic Frankenstein.

 

Hmm... I wonder, can we write "roll in the hay" here? I till remember Terri Garr in the movie: "Roll, roll! Roll in the hay!"

 

OMG, Terri Garr was one of my first super-crushes as a teen! Thanks Pen for the reminder!

 

Additional Comments:

Also to keep in mind, CERB, well Lyla isn't Canadian society bound by the Charter of Rights and we are not speaking in public. It is a private board where the members are bound by the rules of that board.

The owners and Mod have to contend with the laws imposed by MacKay's draconian law, not the board members. They are the ones who have to worry about legal ramifications, not us

Now if a member here wants an uncensored board, start one up

If you don't like what's happened to Lyla, remember this at election time and kick the CPC out

But as MightyPen says, I'd rather have a censored CERB to no CERB at all

 

RG

 

Trust me, I will remember at election time! As I mentioned earlier, some of the edited words are innocent and have nothing to do with sex/sales/prostitution. I am talking about totally innocent words, and finding it annoying that I get edited for something innocuous.

 

I can't wait to see the day you log on and you see that you don't like cuddling anymore and only like c_______

[Ice4fun 78396]

Unfortunately the Censoring is a necessary evil in the current legal and political environment that has been created by the Harper Conservatives. Thankfully I think this will be a temporary situation that will improve over time.... we are just over two months into the new legal environment... time and public opinion are on our side not Mr. Harper's.

 

Just my Opinion

 

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[Gracey Lea 1020]

Having moved away from terms like moral/social hygiene, yes, we've definitely made some improvements regulating the world's oldest profession. No, Harper didnt help with the Nordic model, despite its "good" (?) intentions. The public moral argument just leaves politicians with a clenaner conscience maybe.

 

Persecuting/restricting consenting, compensating adults who are doing what they like behind closed doors is a folly. I think we really need to keep in mind that it is easier to distract the public/parliament from engaging more intensely with more serious issues (child porn/prostitution, missing first nations women) with debate over how we deal with the elephant in the room. Not to see these issues are not being pursued (the latter is a true national public embarrassment) but wouldn't public dollars be better spent focusing more on these grave problems?

 

Just a thought. Xxo. Sorry for the diatribe

[Guest ATasteOfEve]

So...I'm confused. I was under the impression that prostitution is and always was legal. Only advertising and buying it is illegal under the new bill. So what's wrong with saying which body part you're kneading??

[mod 135639]

The laws very much changed. You need to read the c-36 laws that were passed last December. Anything that can be considered a sexual act (including a happy ending) is no illegal for us to allow anyone to advertise and it is illegal for the guys to actively admit to receiving one or asking who does it or asking for one. Laws including internet websites. It is still legal for the ladies to advertise this BUT it is illegal for any website to allow you to advertise those services so it's BS. but until we know how they are proceeding we are treading lightly and conforming to the laws.

[fortunateone 156618]

i am interested in whether or not any legal actions will be taken against any advertising venue. I have a feeling they'd like to avoid the attempt, since i am fairly sure the court system will throw out everything they bring up.

 

I remember reading an article that talked about what happened when the criminalizations laws were put in place in the 80s, the public solicitation one. LE was dragging guys in who simply drove thru a known area, or flashed their lights. It took some time for the courts throwing everyone out, and judges laying down their own set of requirements before LE figured out that public solicitation meant more than just walking down the street past an sp.

[mod 135639]

Probably would but no one really wants to take the risk. No one wants to be the one in the hot seat. Big risk big reward if someone was willing to do it. I bet ec and lyla would be for sale if someone with big enough kahoona's wanted to chance it. The owners here dont want the law to be broken so its hard for us to work within the legal restraints.

[Meaghan McLeod 179664]

Personally, I prefer this site BECAUSE it operates within sensibilities. Yes, some words get caught up in the censors, however, we can still get the message out. We've just changed the way of letting guys know. I for one hated the old way of menu's and stuff, so, for me this is a better way of running my business.

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