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I have to admit : i hate when asked to sit down , talk , and the guy doesn't take me for dances . Because i hate talking too ... I feel like you took advantage of my time and efforts, talking to someone you wouldn't talk on the streets is exhausting, it's happening a lot lately ( why are you guys doing this ?)

I've also tried approaching clients and not even before I get to the table the guys already telling me to talk to the hand and basically not interested but not even giving me a chance to introduce myself ... like WTF is that all about excuse my language but that's pretty rude.

I can understand the frustration ladies, but take these two replies and see it from our perspective. If we are not interested in taking you for a dance, we must be polite enough and not seem too rude with an immediate rejection, but yet we can't take up too much of your time talking either. Please understand if we get it wrong in either direction!

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So on this one, I'm going to say that you ladies are being a little unfair. On the one hand, you're complaining that men are saying "no" too quickly. On the other hand, Megan is unloading on time wasters! Can I take away the impression that us men can't win?

As I kept reading, I realize CarpeDiem made the same point I tried to. I guess we all have different perspectives -- I know I wonder about many men talking for a long time without going for dances, but I guess I can probably come off as rude by saying no too quickly.

My apologies ,what else can we possibly do to help attract clients on clapping for us ? It doesn't seem like much helps these days. Usually the regular daytime girls that have built the clientele they have and are always there get most of the attention. So what are we doing wrong ?

I think a big factor in applause is the DJ. If the DJ calls out the dancer just as she's leaving the stage, it gives the audience a good cue as to when to clap. Whereas, I've noticed that when the DJ announces either early or late, that cue is missing. Does the audience clap when the dancer leaves the stage? When the DJ calls her name? When the song ends? Especially with smaller crowds, having people clapping at the same time is important.

So: An on the ball DJ, a dancer who looks like she's making an effort, and a decent crowd size combined will hopefully lead to a decent amount of applause.

Showed up Thursday night, and was struck by how tall most of the ladies were. Where have all the short little spinners gone?

However, I'm not sure that a woman's dance on stage is a good indication of her performance in private. I very rarely ask a woman to dance for me without seeing her stage show, but in the instances where I have been completely intrigued by a dancer just from talking with her, she was amazing in the CR (but later, when I finally got to see her on stage, the show was not impressive at all).

You're most likely right -- it's most likely a rationalization I've created so I can avoid spending so much money in the CR... :)

And you're right... long eye contact and a smile from someone on-stage can be an intense experience. It always starts with eye contact. :)

The best CR experiences I've had, have always been with someone I'm really attracted to (obviously), but also someone that I've had a bit of a connection with. That can start from the performance on stage, with a simple smile and a look.

Going completely off topic, but it can also happen from an approach that is different from the bog standard "where are you from", "how's your night going" openers that most dancers use... For example, Cherry @ Barb's got me with that aforementioned smile on stage, then a funny compliment when she approached. It's amusing, but I think a lot of dancers could benefit from studying some of the "pickup-up artist" material out there, since a strip club is in many ways the typical meet market atmosphere, but with the gender roles reversed.

But I think the reason why it's being mentioned is because a lot of the stage shows are missing those basic qualities. I've seen this over and over again, maybe not so much on really busy nights but the last time I went out to one of the classier clubs, it was so bad that for the first time ever, I didn't even get a lap dance. I spent two hours watching women staring at the ceiling during their stage dances. :(

Yes, exactly. The original question was if "real artistry" would be worth it in the club. The consensus opinion seems to be that while appreciated and admired, it is likely not necessary, or perhaps even worthwhile for the dancers. However, I think there is a lot of room for simply improving the "basic stage show", as Megan puts it.

You also have an interesting point about how busy the club is. It is perhaps understandable, but the less full the club is, the worse the performances on stage seem to get, and vice versa. Yet, it's less likely I'll get excited about a private dance if the dancers are just going through the motions walking around on stage. So, when it would be most useful to put on a good show (since there are fewer customers around), they are most likely to not put in the effort.

And, the flip side of that, is when the club is busy (say Pigale's on a Friday night), a dancer can wow the crowd with a stage show, and then be impossible to find for a private dance afterwards.

There is very little to no correlation between good stage shows and making money. It's your sales skills that make you money. Also keep in mind that we are generally only onstage 3 songs per shift' date=' so the majority of people we dance for will never see us onstage.[/quote']

 

Well, I must not be the average SC patron then, because for me, a good stage show is key. I've often wondered why more dancers don't make any effort, and I guess this is the answer.

 

But, to me, I will often try to wait for a dancer's stage show before getting a private dance. In particular, the following items will make me much more interested in a particular dancer:

 

1. Make an effort. You don't have to win miss pole-dance America, but something other than walking around the pole and crawling on all fours shows us that you are at least trying.
   
2. Don't be afraid to smile! I feel like so many are trying so hard to look sexy that they never look like they want to be up there. Instead they've got the perma-pout (or simply look bored).
   
3. Eye contact is sexy, staring at the ceiling the whole time is not.
   
4. Change into a different outfit for the second dance. You have to change anyway, why not into a different look?
   

Combine all that -- someone who is making an effort, who catches your eye and flashes you a smile -- will be at the top of my list for a private dance, versus someone who walks around the stage all bored like, then spends the rest of the time hustling for dances. And I do feel there is a correlation with the quality of the private dances as well -- if the dancer doesn't make an effort on stage, why should I think a private dance would be any different?

 

I admit, I'm most likely an outlier though, as someone who actually pays attention to the dances on stage, doesn't have more than a drink or two, and doesn't immediately say yes to the first girl to ask for a dance. On the other hand, the stage dance is required of all dancers, so why not make an effort?

One is of lebanese descent, the other of tunisian descent. Both are about 5 feet or so, either Maya or Sarah. Both french speakers. Both great.

Do you now if Sarah has been around lately, and if so, when she's there? I haven't seen her around recently.