simon_templar

I was always intrigued by the concept. My memories are also of a service that was auctioned off on Monday evenings; never given away free.

Out of interest's sake though....a couple of questions

1) Were you allowed to bring alcohol from the club with you?

2) Did the dancers charge you the same rate for dances as in the club?

3) Without going into detail...were there more or less restrictions?

A recent comment made here reminded me of a service/attraction that used to be offerred at Barberellas. This was a couple of decades ago (and boy does it hurt to admit that) but as I recall the mgt used to auction off a limousine ride with the dancer of your choice. I believe that the "programme" ran on Monday evenings.

I was never able to take advantage of this and thought I would open up a general discussion for any that had.

My apologies if this had been discussed before.

This is not the 1st time that I've responded to one of your threads. If I remember correctly the last reply was after you had lent this dancer some money and were questioning if you were going to have it paid back.

I suspect that you may have found my response insensitive....I assure you it wasn't then....and it isn't now!!!

My friend...you need to seek assistance here!!! This is not an addiction that can be cured by yourself!!!!! You seem like a very smart man....you owe this to yourself!!

I fell in love with a dancer, led a double life and spent well over $200 k for the life experience.

Please learn from my mistakes!!!!!!!

I noted a couple of earlier nominations for Jeckyll with the great Jimmy Nesbitt; might I also suggest his BBC Ireland series Murphy's Law. Nesbitt playsa very convincing Irish undercover agent. series 3 &4 are great!

Also someone mentioned AMC's the Killing...if you get a chance to see the original Swedish series or even better, one that recently played in the UK called the Bridge...check it out!!!

....and yes...The Wire.....simply the best TV series ever!!!!!

I think that ultimately you are the only person who can decide if you were "foolish" to lend her the money. You refer to her now as a friend ....how many of your male friends would you lend money to for an evening of gambling if they were "tapped out" ?

Here's a couple of thoughts for you to consider

1.There's 2 types of cons...the short game...and the long game. Make sure that she's not priming you for her "victory lap"

2. What exactly are your intentions in this friendship? Are their issues of co dependancy lurking here?

You seem like a very intelligent guy....Be Careful!!!

This from someone with too much experience (unfortunately!!!!)

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Hi Castle

Your concern is certainly a valid one. Discussions with some of the dancers that I know have indicated that business is somewhat slow with the economic times. As a result, many of the ladies are supplementing their income with "working outside of the club". Although this may not be the case in your situation, it's always wise to plan ahead!

My suggestion would be that you contact the lady prior to your evening out and whilst confirming pick up times, location etc. simply ask " do I need to bring anything"?

I believe that if the dancer is looking for reimbursement for her time she will take advantage of the opportunity and direct you accordingly. If, (and cross your fingers here, ha ha), she is simply looking for an evening out with "no strings attached" then she will reply with either "no" or "what do you mean"? At that stage of the conversation, you could simply respond with "I like to bring present my date with flowers ....what kind do you like"?

If the issue arises later in the evening, you can remind her of your earlier discussion and remain confident that you did inquire as best you could while maintaing the degree of respect that she deserves.

You will, of course, need to ensure that you do have enough funds on you to cover any "unforseen situations".

Anyway...my 3 cents (adjusted for inflation). Trust that you have a good time!

I wish that us guys could fake it once in a while, but kinde of hard to pull it off!!!

 

Apex

Not to perpetuate the discussion between Miss Cloe and Apex2006 (which was very informative), but the comments exchanged regarding Rob Reiner's When Harry Met Sally and the general inability of men to "fake it" reminded me of one of my favourite skits from Craig Ferguson.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hxs2D0wLD8g

Although I share Apex's desire to have the ability "to pull a fast one" (pun intended), I must admit that I don't think I could compete with Mr. Connery's performance!

In fact, if memory serves correct, any time that I was cognizant that my partner was "faking it", I'm sure my facial expression was more comparable to Mr. Caines'. ha ha

I don't know if this will help you Novell, but here are 2 suggestions that I have found beneficial in the past.

1. Try to concentrate on your breathing. Sometimes in the "heat of the moment", you don't realize that you are focusing on your pleasure and are holding your breath.

2. I like to think of my NORTEL shares.......oh wait a minute....strike that.....the thought of my shares makes me go LIMP....ha ha :oops: :oops:

.............oh well,,,,,1 suggestion

Well to my chagrin, my first celebrity crush was Batgirl from the 60's Batman series. Always wondered why Bats' and Robin never had any "visable reaction" to the sight of Yvonne Craig in her purple leather costume..ha ha

Joy:

I'm not sure if this answers your question or not, but in reviewing the various replies to your thread the concept of competition has been raised. Perhaps the followiing deserves some discussion.

Is is possible that the rate of compensation hasn't dramatically changed in over 3 decades due to a substantial influx of other "alternative venues"?

For example:

1. lap dances in strip clubs. I don't believe that the "fuller service" dance was available 15-30 years ago.

2. the widespread availability and subsequent lower costs of pornographic material on video and dvd.

3 the internet

Obviously, I'm not trying to suggest that any of the above possibilites replaces the experience of being with a companion! But they may offer a suitable alternative dependent upon time, availability and cost.

In terms of available options to the discriminating consumer, then, the competitive value may not lie in the rates between different SP's but rather between the cost of visiting their favourite companion or in participating in one of the more inexpensive alternatives listed above. (I do appreciate that enjoying the pleasant company of a dancer can be expensive, but it can also end up costing less than the price of a hotel room, an SP's fee and a possible gratuity).

In essence, I believe that competition may be a mitigating factor. Not in the sense of competing with another SP, but in competing with other venues.

Is it possible, then, that the increase in these other venues may have placed a cap (artificial or otherwise) on the value that the market will bear as regards the rate of compensation?

If I have misunderstood your question or if none of the points warrant further discussion, my apologies. Just write it up to a little 'Johnny Walker wisdom'............and thanks for listening.

My apologies Secret how do you think Simon feels???....lmao (no disrespect intended to Secret ha ha!!)

YES.....EMMA A.....please forward all PM's....because I think that I have a surprise for you

Oh and yes...my dream girl is about 5'3", between 40-43, blond hair, charismatic personallity, a smile that would launch a thousand ships, eyes that you could melt into, a body that brings beads of perspiration to my forehead and a laugh that makes everything just right!....OH...and she laughs at my jokes (to paraphrase Shakespeare....she's all that and a bag of chips!!)

i'm an idiot.....here i was flirting and teasing Mr. secret admirer all this time about me being his dream girl and PMing him asking if he was still making me dinner....lmao...then to realize ...hey this isn't who i thought it was.....Simon where are you? All i have been writing to Secret was meant for Simon.....my apologies secret.....:oops:

kisses,

Emma A

Emma A:

Just wanted to add.....that I think that your boys are pretty lucky and if they end up being half as charming and as intelligent as you, they'll be well prepared for anything!

Samantha:

Although your original question was posed to SP's, I did want to offer the following comment. I believe that any woman, as a single parent, in today's society that is able to provide for a healthy and happy home deserves and commands my respect! Any woman who is also an SP and is able to do the same...just commands additional respect!!

....and not that it should mean anything...but I'm a single parent as well!

1. Set up a trust fund (approx. 25%) for my son.

2. Invest 50% for myself

3. Give 10% to my family and friends

4. Give 10% to charity

5. Spend 5% frivolously

6. Continue to work.........................BUT WITH A FAR BETTER ATTITUDE!!!

1. Jennifer Aniston (sorry Mr. Pitt...but Angelina just doesn't do it for me!!)

2. Monica Belluci

3.Veronique Cloutier

4. Nikauly De La Mota

5. Emma Alexandra (because she's a celebrity in my books!!)

Just had this vision Emma, of all the costume houses in Ottawa inexplicably having a run on hotel cleaners uniforms....ha ha

At the very least, you should be phoning them and giving them a "heads up" lol

thanx for a great story...after the stock market yesterday...needed something to "raise a smile"!

Just wanted to say thank you to Angela Aurora and Jessiko555 for getting the thread back on track. I/we really appreciate your comments!!!

Yes...thank you...."I sit corrected"..I notice the misspelling after the post. As to the actual context of corollary, I often use it as a synonymn for consequence.

corollary

c.1380, from L.L. corollarium "a deduction, consequence," from L. corollarium, originally "money paid for a garland," hence "gift, gratuity, something extra," from corolla "small garland," dim. of corona "crown

I'm still hoping however....to hear from some SP's...and get this thread back on track!!!

:-D:-D:-D

Thanks ED Man, Tstorm et al....but we need to be careful that this discussion not be a collolary to the other ongoing thread!!! Let's let the SP's decide!!..............and let's have fun!!

There is currently a separate ongoing thread discussing the merits of whether hobbiests should have their own secular "reputation points" system. I'm suspect that this is an issue easily resolved. However, I would be interested in a somewhat similiar discussion. Simply put,....from the SP's perspective..."What was your favourite experience?"...,"What makes/breaks the atmosphere for you during a session?"..." If the hobbiest looks like George Costanza but sings like Julio Iglassias....is that enough?"

I think you know where I'm going with this....perhaps some of you talented, charming and lovely SP's could look upon this as an opportunity to ....."give us hobbiests a little direction and incentive".....either way..I think that it could be fun.

I don't believe that any names need to be mentioned...but if the experience was shared....I'm sure the hobbiest would know who the SP was speaking of. 8-)8-)

Red Baron, I really feel for you and like IGOTABONER, I went through a similar situation approx 10 years ago.If it helps you in your decision-making process I went the other direction and chose not to stick with my spouse and family!

This was NOT an easy decision; it had been a second marriage for me and I really wanted to make it work! Unfortunately, after the birth of my son (a couple of years into our 'joyful bliss") all physical and emotional contact with my spouse had gone the way "of the VHS tape". Where in many ways, I still felt her to be my emotional and mental counterpart, in terms of physical and intimate contact there was a cold void. She became extremely argumentative, distant and when she was moody, "there was no need for air conditioning"! I had certainly made my fair share of mistakes and am the first to admit that I was not the easiest person to live with. I suggested counselling several times and she was unwilling to attend, protesting that she did not believe in the process.

To further complicate the issue, my son has a significant learning disability and I worried (and probably continue to do so) what irreparable harm a maritial dissolution would cause him. His handicap not only affects his mental capacity but also poses a significant strain on his emotional condition.

There was every reason to stay and make it work! What finally swayed me was my realization that my unhappiness, however much I tried to manage it, was starting to and would continue to affect my son's "well-being". I am happy to say that he "weathered the storm well" and although I only see him on weekends our relationship is stronger!!

Where my story strays from the normative is that when I left my family, I was an emotionally shattered person and proceeded to have a very "sef-destructive" relationship with a dancer. My loneliness and "need" for intimacy led to a very manipulative situation. Eventually, I became emotionally, morally and financially bankrupt!

My life is better now as I finally found some support and it is here that I wanted to pass on "some sober second-hand advice". What I have come to realize is that although I could control my physical presence in the marriage, I could not manage the emotional resentment that a life of loneliness built up. One of the common terms my medical collegues have used is a..."Good Boy, Bad Boy" dichotomy. That, you can only function for a set period of time with actions predetermined under a "Good Boy" analogy before you end up rebelling and exhibiting behaviour best labelled as reflective of a "Bad Boy" nature.

Basically, what I would offer is that you seek conselling on your own! Counsellors won't make your decision for you, but they will ensure that when you finally decide to take one path or the other, that it is a decision made with a 'healthy" mindset. While keeping your marriage together is a noble venture be careful you don't become "Don Quixote" and pursue a fruitless quest. The moral imperative directs that you stay with your family to make everyone happy; but keep in mind the you alone cannot make others happy. The only person that you can make happy is yourself.

I wish you well!!!!!!!!

Just wanted to acknowledge Cowboy's comments. I fear that the story I related earlier may have taken away from the essence of the original post!My intent in sharing my experience was in essence....just that; taking the opportunity to "bond" with my fellow posters about some of my memories of various clubs. Although my story referred to a somewhat unpleasant experience, I have had several (truth be told.....more than several)positive ones.

As well, I wanted to agree with a couple of the comments made about the sense of "romantacism" that exists in the "cabarets". Although, I suspect that men in general are a little recalcitrant in admitting same... that most of us have an ego and spending some time with the company of an attractive woman who is interested in you provides us with a siginificant "boost".

I know from first hand experience that some of the ladies have chosen this path in order to make a better life for themselves and their families. And for that, they have earned my respect, admiration and applause.

Although I have met some "unscrupulous" types working in these clubs, I have always found that most of the ladies are often more sincere than some of the "tin men" I have had trying to sell me aluminum siding, life insurance policies and NORTEL shares.

My last relationship was with a dancer and although it was "tough going" at various intervals...I always respected her for trying to make a life for herself and her child.

I appreciate that these comments and "a loonie will probably buy you a bagel"...but I do have to reiterate Mr. Kenney's comments about spending some time if you can afford it!

Many of the ladies are worth it!!!

Sorry....I appreciate that this is slightly off the original post...but some of the descriptions reminded me of an experience I had a few years back at the 'Mate. I was sitting enjoying the entertainment when a young lady approached and asked if she could join me. After receiving my consent, she proceeded to indicate that this was her first night there and that she normally works at the Silver Dollar. Anyway, she continued to attempt to engage me in conversation by suggesting that if I wanted to continue that it would cost me $20. I smiled and told her that I wasn't intersted in going to one of the champagne rooms. "NO"...she corrected me,...the money wasn't for a dance,,,,rather if I wanted to continue talking to her that it would cost me $20.00.

After picking my bottom lip off the floor, I asked if her if this was a normal practice (...knowing full well that it wasn't...guess I was just speculative as to whether I looked like I had just fallen off a certain vegetable truck!!!) She then proceeded to indicate that no...it wasn't a usual practice...but in fact, that she was a "great conversationalist" and could very easily hold her own in any conversation.

Seeing an out...I proceeded to put a bill on the table and asked her what her opinions were of quantum physics.......

She (thankfully) left shortly after and never talked to me for the rest of the evening.

......One of the few occasions I had left a club $20.00 richer with my integrity intact!!!!