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is heidi still in the business?

Unfortunately it seems she has moved on and is no longer providing...............:frown:

Thanks for the intel.

I think I will be cancelling my session with her, as I am one of those "old guys" and I don't need that BS.

She is now in Alberta for a visit and your review makes it very tempting to see her. Thanks for making the effort to review.

Shayla is indeed "the real deal", and a spectacular SP to boot. Thing about Shayla is that she has a somewhat different outlook from most SP's and she is pretty outspoken in her views. Some people don't appreciate her views and such, but she marches to her own drum.

I saw her when she was in Alberta and I had an awesome time with her. If you "click" with Shayla, you will have an awesome experience and if you don't, you may not be able to visit her at all. I did do a review of her on "the baby cow" board, but I did not post it on CERB for personal reasons. Shayla is indeed real and she is a great young lady to see...........if you click with her.

Posting in the "Red Deer" section would probably have gotten better results.

Hello I am not new to Red Deer, but never worked as SP there. Just wondering if anyone knows a good motel/hotel thats nice friendly and minds their own bizz

Greetings Jaddah,

Sorry that I missed your visit to Red Deer recently as I do not log on here often.

Hopefully you come visit again and if you do, send me a PM or email and I will be happy to supply you with some SP friendly hotels in the city.

Here is a link to my review of Keissy, it pretty much speaks for itself and says it all.

A great SP, beautiful, friendly and highly recommended, IMHO.

That was not quite my thinking, but I agree that it does happen. That is where research and having a proven track record for both SP and client can help.

If she is "demanding" rather than asking for payment upfront, usually a sign of poor services, especially with some of the former CL girls.

and the reason usually is some dude got the service and didn't pay or short changed the lady.

I really have no problem at all paying up front if asked, especially if I have never seen the lady previous. If I find that paying up front is SOP, then so be it, no worries. Many ladies I see, after the first or second time, have no problems with the donation being given at the end of the session. If a lady is a good provider, then her product will stand the test. If you are an established pooner with a good reputation, there should not be any concerns that the donation will be given after services have been given.

FO, you can take whatever you like from my posts. It is not manipulative at all, but if that is how you feel, so be it. I guess as a consumer/client and a guy that works hard for my money, I like to spend it the way I like. I don't pay my mechanic, doctor, lawyer, landscaper, carpenter or anyone else before they deliver their services. SP's claim that they are like any other professional that delivers a service, and want/demand to be treated as such. Mechanics, doctors, lawyers, landscapers do not get paid until they deliver their services to the consumer, so because it is for "companion time", it should be different?

Aplying your thinking, taking the money before "companion time" has been enjoyed sounds manipulative to me. What recourse as a consumer of your "time" do I have if the she does not "deliver" What if she just sits there watching TV, on her cell, bitching about her husband/boyfriend/kids during my "companion time"? What if the agreed on " companion time" is 60 minutes and she decides to leave at the 40 minute mark? What if she is hungover or high during my time? Not like I can go to LE (which I would never do) or to the Better Business Bureau or Chamber of Commerce and lay a complaint is it? Is she going to refund me 1/3 of the agreed price if she cuts out at 40 minutes....don't think so. Those cases are very very few and far between. It is much more likely that they guy is screwed and has to suck it up, there are tons more cases of this happening than getting a refund. What happen's if I ask for 1/3 back for her cutting out early and she refuses, what if she decides to accuse me of sexual assault or something? Can I lay a complaint and have her license pulled? Fat chance. Truth of the matter is, once the guy pays, the SP has ALL the control and pretty much can do as she likes.

The only recourse client's have is to post a review what happened and warn other's and that is pretty much what a "Review" forum is about, the exchange of information regarding SP's. The only thing we have going for us is that we can not repeat, post a review and warn others which puts a kink in an SP's reputation and may lower her income in getting fewer sessions when word gets out.

I know you from other forum's FO and I actually do respect and agree with your thinking on quite a number of issues. As we are both aware, this is a recommendation board, and thus not your typical review board. Everything here is pretty much rosy and shinny and glowing, but not the real world if you think about it for a bit. There are many, more cases of guys getting ripped off than ladies, think CL, BP, Dutt's. When guys or ladies are exposed for ripping the other off, community peer pressure ensues and nature takes it's course and hopefully things get fixed most of the time.

What it comes down to is trust and respect for each other. If you read my quote at the top, you can see that I agree with paying a girl up front if that is her policy. So, I don't quite get where you get off hanging this on me, because I did not disagree with you. What I indicated was that a number of ladies that "I have seen" are fine with the donation being given at the end and if they are a good provider their product "companion time" will stand the test (payment after a session). If a guy has a good reputation and the girl has a good reputation, it should not matter when the donation is given. As you ladies want to be treated as "professionals", then have your product stand the test and deliver your product with the confidence that your client will be happy and satisfied with your services. I pay my doctor after the visit, I pay my lawyer after the visit, I pay my mechanic after repairs are done. If their services are not what I paid for, I have the recourse of lodging a complaint with a professional association. Who do I lodge a complaint with when I pay up front and services are not delivered? I will tell you who......no one, except a review board.

Any SP that I have seen a few times has no concern that I will pay after my "companion time", it is a given. I always pay no matter the service, because that was the agreement, I have no issue with that. The thing that I do is research extensively prior to a session (95% of the time) and only see ladies that have a proven track record of delivering. With respect and a proven track record by both parties there should be no concerns over when payment is to be received. If you want to be viewed as professionals then accept it for what it is.

In my view if a lady is demanding payment up front there is usually a reason for it..............and it is not a good reason.

But to me that sounds very manipulative. As in, if she doesnt deliver up to a perceived standard, what do you plan to do? Not pay the agreed upon amount? REally? Or is it simply a carrot on a stick, dangling with her uncertain as to whether you plan to pay or plan to create some kind of excuse for not paying? Do you prefer her to be worried and concerned about whether or not you plan to pay, or short change her now that the session is done and you no longer need her?

 

The encounter was agreed upon for an agreed upon rate. What she does or does not provide, as in what you believed you should have gotten, has nothing to do with that. What you have the right to do at this point is to not repeat. You could also post a review on a review site. But to delay payment on this premise implies that you like to use it as a way to ensure you get what you came for, and the implication of that is very unpleasant.

There are a few that fit, but "find your companion on CERB" would certainly be one of them.

And the moral of the story is: find your companion on CERB, right? :icon_wink:

I had a whole different concept of this thread when I read the title.

The girl across the alley from me.

I even remember her name...........*sigh*, those were the days.

As long as that works for you, that is fine, to each their own, nothing wrong with that. I know that I count my money a few times as well. I would just caution you to ensure that you are confident that you will obtain the expected services from your SP, especially if she is new or has very few reviews.

I know it may seem impossible to some but there have actually been reported cases of SP's (not CERB ladies) taking the donation up front and providing lackluster services.

I know, I can't hardly believe it either!!

I can understand that other people may have different preferred practices, but my own preference is for taking care of business beforehand. I can be a bit OCD, so I end up counting the money at least 4 or 5 times into the envelope to ensure that I have the right amount. My hand is already going to get the envelope once I've knocked on the door. You could say that I've pretty much made this into a habit, the good thing is that there's never a risk that I'll short one of the fine ladies here that way.

Good topic!

I too would like to know what colognes the ladies prefer on a man. Not just talking about an encounter, but in everyday life.

Hi, I just had a look at your pictures and I think you are a very attractive woman. It is true that I like a girt to be a bit more voluptuous, and you fit that bill nicely. For me if a girl has a good personality and takes care of herself, that is what means most to me and you seem to take care of those nicely. Thanks for letting me see your pictures.

she does get a bit naughty, but not too much.

Hi RobX, I think if anything you had just a bit of an awkward moment. I really would not read much into it, we all have had our "oops" moments with a lady. Especially if you have seen her before, or a fair number of times, it really is nothing to worry about.

I really have no problem at all paying up front if asked, especially if I have never seen the lady previous. If I find that paying up front is SOP, then so be it, no worries. Many ladies I see, after the first or second time, have no problems with the donation being given at the end of the session. If a lady is a good provider, then her product will stand the test. If you are an established pooner with a good reputation, there should not be any concerns that the donation will be given after services have been given.

I guess I need to ask if you ever did pay her the money that you had forgotten? If so, how did she handle it when you did pay her, any issues? What is the relationship like now?

Especially if she is someone that you have seen regularly and you enjoy a good rapport with and you resolved the financial issue post haste, I can see where it would not impact the relationship. We all make mistakes from time to time, but this is a mistake you must never make again.

I have a couple regulars that I have seen each maybe 15 times. I can imagine that if I forgot my donation, and I never would, that it would not be a game changer. I would, of course go directly to an ATM, secure the funding and make good as fast as possible, within the SP's boundaries and my most humble apologies.

Last year I was at an Asian Micro, had a great session, got dressed and was about to leave when I remembered that I forgot to give the donation. The girl was surprised, she totally forgot about it until I gave her the money. Had I forgot, I would have called the mamasan and arranged payment with her.

Are you a bad person? Not at all.

It took my two years since I had the thought of seeing a girl to actually doing the deed. If you have some moral issues, only you can decide and work through them if you want to see a girl. I had similar issues and maybe more, but it was worth the work and the risk for me, and if you do indulge, make sure you are discrete and cover your ass big time. If you get sloppy, you will pay the price.

For me it is about 3 1/2 years into the hobby and I love indulging. My tastes and desires have become changed a great deal in that time. I have met some wonder people, mostly the ladies, a few whackos and my confidence with women has soared. Not to mention some fantastic sex with some extremely beautiful women.

Think it through and do what is right for you, take you time, it is a big decision. If you do want to indulge, make sure you read the forums a great deal. There is a mountain of information here that will assist you in so many ways in the future.

Good luck to you with whatever choice you make.

Well done Roamingguy. I really enjoyed reading this.

Personally, I use mainly session or appointment, but they all work to different degrees. The only one from your list that I would not use is tryst.

There is no excuse for not having the correct amount available when you go for a session. If you don't have the correct amount, always over pay, so if it is $250 you would pay $260, you don't give under the donation request. If you are spending that much to see a lady, what the hell is an extra $10, especially if you had a decent time.

I find the best way to break the ice with a nervous or shy client is to put boobs in their face and then give them the best blowjob of their life ....hehe

WOW, that would certainly break the ice for me, but you would have to let me do some "motorboating" while your boobs are in my face, lol.

I research a girl extensively before approaching, so my success rate is like 98% for connecting/clicking. I am pretty sure that I am going to have a good session before the first contact. The first couple message tell me if I am on base or not and if not, I take a pass.

I did see an Asian lady once from an ad on CL, it was pretty much a bait and switch, but I was horny and the little guy did my bidding. Even though she was not the girl in the pic and somewhat older, I stayed and although it was ok, I should have walked and would do so if it ever happens again.

Researching and a few messages back and forth can go a long long ways to ensuring a really great session with a lady.

I should probably mention to expect Shelbie's contact information by PM, you would have to be a person that has been on a forum for a while, posted a decent amount and provided a couple of reviews.

In other words, if you are new, with very few posts and no reviews, please don't expect her contact information. Without a reputation and a review or two, I have no idea who or what you are and you could easily be LE, so it is best to air on the side of caution. She is a very sweet and private girl and is somewhat selective on who she sees.

Just a quick note that Shelbie is back on the market, outcall only.

She is not on ANY board or forum though, very private and low key girl.