namssa

For me it is the innocence and enthusiasm of kids finding out that Santa visited and watching them opening the presents. That is what Christmas is about for me.

I agree with you Emma.

When a guy writes a recommendation it is supposed to be and is assumed to be based on a real and true experience between himself and the lady. There might be minor changes made through the "edit" phase, but once that has expired the recommendation should stand and not be subject to removal due to a change in feelings between client and SP. If the recommendation was given in good spirit, then it should stand on it's own merit, no matter the status of the relationship between the persons involved.

A true hobbyist and gentleman would not consider removing a recommendation because his feelings toward a lady had changed. I would hope that a reference from a lady would not change even if her feelings toward me were not as warm and fuzzy as they once were if I behaved like a gentleman when seeing her.

scottthecanuck and fortunateone both offer some good advice.

One of the great things that Canada has over the United States is that prostitution is legal here, just that many of the activities surrounding it are not. Communication for the purposes of prostitution is probably one of the biggest concerns, you are not allowed to discuss rates, services, etc. in public. But there are usually workarounds to the "communication for the purposes" concerns. I believe that texting, email, PM's and phone calls from a private residence to a private residence is protected, but please correct me if I am wrong. Speaking in public regarding rates and/or services is illegal and this includes, on the streets, in a car, in a building or pretty much anywhere not behind the door of a client's residence, hotel room or room at an MP. No speaking on a cell phone regarding the same in public, but if you are at home I believe you are ok. In my experience a lot of "session's" are arranged by PM's on a forum, email, texts or phone calls. If you do more research you can find the specifics of the criminal code in Canada.

You will have some difficulty working for an agency as you are not a Canadian citizen.

There are lots of girls that work as an indie SP and they travel however wide an area as they choose and go from city to city. Some cities, including Edmonton & Calgary and likely others, do indeed require an "escort license" to work legally, however it is my understanding that a great deal of the indie SP's that travel across Canada do not get "licensed". I have had contact with quite a few SP's that travel across Canada and have not found any that get an escort license for that purpose. A general rule of thumb is that if you are going about your business quietly and not causing a disturbance or causing problems, you are pretty much going to be left alone by law enforcement. However, Calgary does have a reputation of SP's reporting other SP's if they find out where (which hotel) they are working. I would be happy to advise you further on this by PM as I don't want to put too much out on a public forum. Suffice to say that working as an indie SP without an escort license for a particular city is not as big a deal as some would have you believe. If you are not causing problems and are discrete, you should have no problems.

Vancouver, Edmonton and Calgary are indeed very indie SP friendly cities as are a great deal of the smaller cities along the way. What you read about working as an indie SP in Vancouver also applies mostly to Edmonton and Calgary.

The cost of living is indeed higher in Western Canada and as such this is reflected in the rates that SP's charge while here. You might want to think about coming up to Canada on a working vacation sometime.

If you send me a PM, there are other resources that I can advise if you would like to explore the possibility of coming to Vancouver or working as an indie SP in Western Canada.

Just a quick note that my DL has been recovered. Someone found it where it was lost, put it in the mail and I received it today.

Considering the circumstances, I am pretty happy.

The main thing we need to remember is to ensure that we are always discrete with any information that we may have. I have seen where the lives of pooner's and SP's have been pretty much destroyed because of a lack of discretion. We should treat any information we have about our client or SP as we would like to have them treat our information. Sometimes I think we are a bit careless with the information we may have and we need to take better care to ensure that it all remains confidential.

Guys should be careful with any and all information that we may have regarding what we may know about the SP's that we see. If we see a lady at her incall, the location must be not divulged to anyone and any records of the location destroyed. We need to remember that it is a special privilege to see them at their incall and to make as little impact as possible, quiet in the halls, knocking quietly and talking quiet and at a minimum until behind closed doors. Just a bit of the wrong information given out and used by the wrong person can have devastating results on occasion. The safety and security of the ladies that we see should be foremost in our minds.

Ladies should ensure that any information they may receive must never be divulged to anyone. One of the reasons we may see SP's is for that discretion and if business associates or family members were to find out, it could be devastating. If ever an SP gets that phone call inquiring about why their number is on a boyfriend, husband, employee's phone, the key is to deny, deny, deny. Never divulge that said person may be a client or what your business with this person has been.

Sweet Heidi,

You are amazing and I am so glad to having met you as you are a wonderful, sexy, funny and beautiful person. You brighten our lives and bring us happiness, smiles and ultimate pleasure. I love your sexy pictures and your videos as they brighten our days.

I wish you and all those around you a happy, healthy and prosperous year in 2011.

dave/namssa

Never participated in one of these before, but here goes.

I found out about this lifestyle and started in the hobby about 3.5 years ago, not too sure of how things worked and who to see. Very first lady I saw was Jackie James in Edmonton who was very kind and patient with me. Then I saw a girl at a low end MP in Edmonton and she too explained how an MP works and how the system at an MP worked. Ended up having a really good session with her as well.

Like Roamingguy, I regret that I did not know about this earlier in life, it would have saved me countless dollars spent in bars with little results and I likely would not have gotten married, much prefer this way to see a lady.

For me seeing a lady is much more than just sex, it is about the experience, the GFE experience and there are some ladies out there that know what that means. My list of best experiences of 2010 will be different than most as I live in Alberta. The first two ladies I have seen many times in the last year and the IMHO, are THE STANDARD for a GFE Experience.

1. Heidi Heiss, to me this young blonde woman is the definition of GFE. From start to finish, she is my sexy girlfriend.

2. Nikita, an amazing person and for me she has it all, a stunning brunette, great body, very down to earth personality and she loves sex. From the moment the door opens to when I leave, it is all about me and she treats me like a king.

3. Ms. Emily Marie, a sweet girl that I found this year that also is an amazing GFE person, cute, sexy, great personality and loves sex. I am sure she will soon be joining the two great girls above for GFE.

4. Rachelle Reigns, sexy apple bottom girl that is so sexy, a great body, gives an upscale GFE and a great person to know. I only saw her once in 2010, lots in 2009, she helped to convince me that Indie SP's were the ones for me.

5 Crystal X, from Medicine Hat.......drove 4 hours to see her, 2 hour session, and 4 hours back. An amazing young spinner, very beautiful, she treats you to a great GFE and is fun to be with. I saw her for the first time a couple weeks ago and really hope to see her more in 2011.

Honorable mention goes out to the following ladies,

Ms. Ava Jones

Shelbie Shaw

Babeeboo AKA Rene

eternity1

Gianna

Khandi Kane

I thought living in Red Deer would make it difficult to practice this hobby, but being an hour from Edmonton and Calgary has it's benefits. Not far to each city and a lot of the girls stop in Red Deer for an evening or two on the way to the big cities. I will likely slow down a bit for 2011, as I need to get some things in order, but I still intend to do my share and see at least my top 5 girls and a few other's as well.

Wishing everyone a great holiday season and all the best for 2011.

I agree, leaving your name with your voice mail should be something practiced in every day life, so it should easily apply here as well. As well, I alway ensure that I give my name/handle with my very first text so that she can know who it is from. Common courtesy as far as I am concerned, but I realize that it may not be practiced by everyone.

I only give out my number to booked clients so when I get a text from them I know it is someone who I have seen. However, if they do not sign their texts I have no clue who it is. I do not store contact info. So yes, please sign your texts. Also leave a name with your voicemails.

I think it should be more like you think you know where he may live. It could possibly be a coincidence, not like that has not happened before.

But the question that runs through my mind is what now? I know where a fair number of SP's that I see live as I see some of them at their residence for a session. Other than when I am looking or a session, it does not do much for me other than perhaps driving by on the way to somewhere and making a brief mental note such as that is where such and such a SP lives.

So yeah' date=' now I know where he lives and I feel kind of weird about that![/quote']

Hi zinga,

Welcome to CERB I hope you enjoy your time here. As a new member with no references and very few postings, it can be difficult to see the occasional SP if they request one. When I started a few years ago, I was in exactly the same situation. I read the boards thoroughly for about 3 months to absorb all the information and techniques for how to approach this hobby. Although you don't need to read for that long, I would suggest reading quite a lot in the beginning, especially the newbies section and learn all that you can, it will pay off in spades down the road.

Although I am not quite sure how it works in the Ottawa area, I can pretty much tell you what you need to do in order to become successful seeing SP's and getting those references.

After you have a good feel how CERB works and have a good feel for things, find a good quality lady to see that does not require a reference, suggest one that has good recommendations here, you are attracted to and meets any other requirements you have. Note any requirements she has for contact, meeting, donations, etc. and follow them. Be polite when you contact her, be very clear in what you are looking for and understand what she is offering in a session. When you have found the girl you want, book a session, make sure you are very well groomed, dressed nicely, polite and friendly when you meet. Arrive a few minutes early if you are going to see her, and follow her rules (phone or text when you are near, etc) for contact, be very discrete if you are seeing her at her hotel or incall. When you get to her door, knock quietly and wait, it will seem like a long time, but it is not, lol. When the door opens, she will likely be behind it and poke her head out....smile and quietly say, "hi", and in you go. After the session, if you had a great time, take a few minutes and post a recommendation on CERB of your experience.

The next thing you should do is contribute to the board whenever you can with accurate and positive information. Become a regular contributor, the girls will read and note your posts and your recommendation will be noted in memory of future girls that you see. Build a good, solid reputation as a great guy for the ladies to see and as a good contributor to CERB. If you do the above, you will be able to use many of the girls that you have seen for a reference, but make sure you ask them and have their approval before you use them as one.

If you do the above, it will take you a long way to seeing the ladies that request a reference and you will be able to provide one with ease and confidence. After some time, your reputation may precede you and in some cases you may not be asked for a reference even though the lady states that she needs one.

I have been very lucky, seen some awesome girls and have a pretty good reputation on some "other" boards (working on my reputation here as well). I pretty much have followed the above and have only ever been asked for a reference twice. I did provide a reference of an awesome SP that I have seen many times, (she is my ATF GFE girl) for the one request, and saw the lady that I wanted to see. The other I declined as I was not that interested, so I took a pass. I think I covered the most important points above, but may have missed a thing or two, perhaps someone can add to this.

I hope the above may help you in your endeavour to see some of these fine ladies.

namssa

I am a new member here and new to the whole SP thing, I haven't been with an SP (YET), so I don't have any references with them nor do I think providing my cerb handle at this point in time would alleviate any concerns an SP may have until I become a regular poster here.

 

I am nervous about meeting a prospective SP for the first time, so I can imagine what some of you SPs have to go through each time you meet with someone new for the first time.

 

For the most part, as I've looked around the different ads, I see most SPs don't ask for a reference of any kind. I don't see a problem with the ones that do want a reference though. Perhaps they have had too many problems with first time clients.

So true, Cathy hfxdom, I have proven that being polite, friendly and having a good sense of humour can get you some great mileage at times. I practice this with every lady that I see and the karma in return has been fantastic to say the least, and I do appreciate the "extra's " that the ladies provide from time to time, it is never expected....but great when it happens.

Just a note to the guys that you should not expect favours from the ladies when you are nice, polite, friendly, etc. that is just part of being a pooner, IMHO. Favours that may be available are very much a YMMV thing and can vary greatly. Do it because it is the right thing to do, with no expectations and practice it often and karma will look favourably upon you.

This ensures our valuable clients get exactly what they are looking for and have a fantastic time. And being polite in your request will gain you much mileage, in my car anyway!!

Here is the link to acronyms for you to access when you are unsure what they mean. The list is pretty comprehensive.

http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=1311

Roamingguy, when you say acronymns. is there a list on this site explain what they stand for. I am new to this site. I am having hard time to figure them out.

There are jerks and creeps everywhere and all across Canada to be sure, East, Central, Western and North. Perhaps just making sure you do your best to stay clear of guys like that would be your best move. They are looking for attention more than anything, trying to get a response from you and suck you in to their game. Just delete the creeps message and pretend that you never saw it at all.

I am sure there are lots of great guys on the East Coast and it seems that it would be unfair to not see them all because of that jerk. Do what you can to steer clear of the losers that email or PM you that crap. But above all, ensure that you feel safe and secure, that must be your first priority.

superjackjuijitsu, thank you for the tip. That sounds like a good idea and I will give them a call next week.

So, if someone tries to use my lost driver's license for credit purposes or a loan, then an alert would come up and I assume I would be notified? I assume if someone tries that or if I try to get credit that I would need to provide additional information or more ID.

Thanks again

Hello Namssa,I work at a Canadian Bank, I suggest you to go to your local equfax agency to loge a Fraud alert message, which means, you will provide equfax a phone # on file. Anyone who attempt to do any type of borrowing under your name you will be notified.

When I saw this thread, I could not help but think of this hottie.

More than once I have had to interrupt a session with an SP to let her know I need a "pee break". I have also been in a session and had an SP request the same. No biggie for me, we are people and a bathroom break should not be a problem. I know that after a short break, I can concentrate and enjoy the session a lot more than before.

When I text, I always identify myself in th beginning, usually with my handle/name on CERB. Texting is rarely my first point of contact with an SP, i usually would either PM or send an email, establish somewhat of a rapport. If I am setting up a session or have one set up and travelling to an incall, I usually advise that I will send a text when I get near, or if there are any issues or whatever and I always make sure I provide my cell number so that the SP can reference back to if needed. Also, something may come up for them, so they can text me if I am travelling and we can adjust as needed.

In fact I did exactly that with my last session and the SP had to postpone for 2 hours. As I was travelling 4 hours one way to see her, she sent me a text after I was half way there to tell me she was delayed As a result I took my time travelling and was much more relaxed when meeting her. Could have turned out much worse, but communication is key when seeing an SP and this is a great example.

Just a quick note that the swingers and group scene is also alive and well in Western Canada.

WOW, pretty classless for the guy that wrote you that email. I cannot believe that someone would think that such a note would make a girl want to see him. I can totally understand your disgust.

He deserves a swift kick in the ass of some complimentary karma for that insulting email and needs to learn some respect for you and the other fine ladies of CERB.

I would like to add that you should ask politely and ensure you have a good rapport with the MA in question. Common sense really.

The majority of MA's do not offer digits. You should NOT try to do so without her consent. Ask first!

Depends on what you are really asking for in your query.

If you are talking about her massaging you, then you massaging her, that is likely not a big deal for the lady. You would just have to ask her in advance if she would be ok with that and most likely would not have a problem.

However, if by "digits" you don't mean "massage or touching", but rather what is commonly known as "fingering", that is somewhat trickier. Fingering (what digits commonly refers to) is much more personal for an SP and first she would have to be comfortable with that, and some are not. If she is ok with that, and many are not, then it becomes a YMMV and it will depend mostly on your connection with the SP and your personal hygiene. Fingernails cut short, clean and well groomed with no open sores, wounds etc. would be key.

Ask politely, have a good connection, impeccably maintained hands and general cleanliness and you will have a good start to getting where you want to go. Good luck.

But one thing I keep wondering about is 2-way massage. My ideal session would involve me being able to massage and touch the provider I am with... perhaps the urban dictionary term would be "digits".... It's just something I really love to do.

 

I know there is a lot of variability in terms of mileage (YMMV) with MPs.

 

Advice anyone?

Most of the MP's in Edmonton offer GFE for between $$.4 - $$$/hour. What GFE means is basically up to the girl in question. There should really be no "house fee" in Edmonton, it is all inclusive. Higher end studios are asking $$$ or more for an hour and some guys are actually paying that.

For VFM, the indie girl is your best bet in Edmonton at $$.5 - $$$/hour, but you get a lot more. If you do your research, you can get a stunning GFE indie girl for $$.5 - $$.8.

I as well have known April for a few years and have seen her multiple times. If you want a fun, interesting and kinky MILF'ish girl, she will give you a massage like no other girl has given you before. At present, I believe she is working at Studio 118 and I highly recommend her services. She often has specials of all sorts, so call or PM and just ask. She is super friendly and a really nice person to know.

I am in Edmonton downtown today and see some MPs are located within walking distance from my hotel. Where I am from, extras are $$ for everything in addition to the house fee. Is that what the going rate is in Edmonton? Do the girls offer extras in MPs or do I need to call a provider?

That is a great topic alexiss.

Personally, I am in a chat room mainly for the social experience, getting to know people and building some rapport. The more you get to know people and them know you, the better your chances of getting a positive response if you need some information or assistance. Of course, to provide information or assist if a guy seems decent as opposed to some real jerk off as well.

Secondary, I am there to see what the ladies are like and how they act, kind of gathering intel for future reference. If a lady and I chat on the side and we hit it off.......much more likely to perhaps book with her than not having any interactions with her. The more comfortable a girl feels with a guy, the better his experience in a session is likely to be. It is all an investment in a future session in my eyes, whether it be a couple hours or a year in the future.

I recently lost my driver's license in a grocery parking lot and so I am expecting some hassles in the not too distant future. I have a temporary DL and reported to the RCMP, but who knows what the hell is going to happen. I hope the DL is just lost and never to be used again, but I am a strong believer in Murphy's Law.

Any websites out there for dealing with a stolen identity?

I have never met an SP that I knew from the past and I see mainly girls that are on a forum for the most part, so I already know what they look like before I meet them. I do sometimes attend a MP or see a CL girl, and there is the potential to see someone from my past, but fairly unlikely.

I have wondered previously what would happen if the door opened and it was a girl that I used to know. I would think and expect that we would exchange smiles and greetings, perhaps some small talk for a minute or two. Then we would have to acknowledge? that we know each other, and if there was a mutual interest carry on with the session.

There are a lot of girls from my past that I would love to be with in a carnal way, so I am pretty much in for it. I would also expect that we would agree that what happens in a session stays there and it is not for public consumption. I am not there to judge anyone and I would not expect to be judged either. Each to their own, and in my view it is not a big deal to be with someone from your past, as long as the feeling is somewhat mutual. If the girl was freaked out by seeing someone from her past, I can understand that and accept it and I think I would just see another girl and let her do her thing.

That is a very good question, especially if you are new to the hobby. It shows you care about the ladies and how you approach them, good signs for a pooner.

I started in this hobby about 4 years ago and the first few things that I figured out by reading forums is that clear, polite communication is a must and that if you want have a good/great session you need to show these ladies respect.

WIT and alexiss hit the nail on the head with their responses. I suggest that you may want to read their posts a few times and ensure that you get the full impact of what they say.

When you do contact a SP, ensure that you are polite and respectful in your wording. Most of the ladies have read many emails, texts and PM's, received phone calls that have asked for many things and sometimes not in the wording possible. So they have heard it all before and are not going to be turned off if you politely ask about what is on their menu or what is included with a GFE or something as such.

Also, make sure you are clear and concise in what you ask and don't play games like some guys do. They are very busy and have lots of communications going on and they would prefer to deal with a guy they feel is a decent communicator and values them as people.

Really, just treat them as any other professional that you would deal with and you will be fine. The concept is the same, just the product or the service is rather unique.

This may be a question for the ladies, but anyone, feel free to chime in: When meeting a SP for the first time, how can a gentleman respectfully confirm what services they do and don't offer, without making anyone uncomfortable?