CarpeDiem

What a nice idea!

Barb's: Ariel
Barefax: Nikki
NuDen: Megan

I've been to the 'Fax a few times on Sunday night, and it gets reasonably busy from 9PM on.

I should get a hat made that says REGULAR so any new people there know who to go to for advice.

<joke>No, Kilt Boy, you're not regular, you're PREMIUM!</joke>

<joke>I dunno, what do you girls think, should his hat say SHERIFF?</joke>

Are they still doing Saturday afternoon retro music? I haven't been on Saturday for a couple of months, but I always enjoyed that.

I was at House of Targ last night for their burlesque night...male strippers were part of the show. You could look up the programme, and contact them.

Why yes, I go topless on my treadmill all the time!

Kilt Boy, just let me know when you'd like to set up the skype!!

Oh, that's bad. Sorry, at the club she's at work, and he's on leisure time. If he can't see that she has to maintain relationships with a number of men, for the sake of her business, he shouldn't be there.

What if you (Kilt Boy) weren't the paragon of virtue that you are, and had justifiably gotten pissed off for buying her a drink and her disappearing? That could have lost her the income from dances for you today, and possibly future regular income (I'm running out of verb tenses for these conditionals!)

When a dancer is gracious enough to spend time outside of the CR with me, I always make it very clear that if she sees a situation where she has the opportunity to make some money, she should go for it. From everything I've read from you, you act the same. I think that any man in a club has to have that attitude, sorry. These are not "exclusive" relationships.

I can't see any way this isn't going to get ugly. He either needs to accept the facts of life, or I think she'd be wise to put some distance between them.

If she prefers the income, on the other hand, (and this is NOT what I recommend), why not have the same relationship with him outside of the club? Meet him in a (very public) bar, he pays for her time, buys her drinks and meals, etc., and she keeps him company? No interference from other men (who after all have the right to approach a dancer in a club), cheaper drinks, and to be honest probably much better music!

A really good post, but I LOVED this part:

3- If he talks to you for a few minutes and then decline a CR invitation...stripper don't sell their body, they sell something much more subtle: an interactive erotic human connection.

That's exactly how I see it, but nobody's ever phrased it quite this well that I've seen.

Ladies, congratulations, you're so much deeper than we all knew! ;-)

Thanks!

And yet I have encountered dancers that like to talk with me--as well as those who definately do not...

Damn! Such a good article! I'm reading it and thinking "yeah, that makes sense, I can do that", and going through all the way to the end, and then I hit

Try to be a gentleman and never a drunken lout.

and it all went out the window. Might as well advise me to grow a third eye, sigh!

Seriously, great article. Makes total sense. Thanks!

Okay, you can ref, but I want to coach one of the teams. I pick "skins".

No, I want the dancers to have that big meeting, sort it out between them, and let us men know the results. Hop to it! :-P

Mostly I agree, but I beg to differ on two of your comments:

The best is when they say their not taking any dances or they are just relaxing maybe later come and see me , and not even 2 mins after I leave their upstairs with another girl.

As I said earlier, I simply don't consider it polite to say to a dancer, "Sorry, you're not my type". So, I'm sorry if it ticks you off, but I WILL use a white lie of one form or another. I just don't like saying "Thanks for coming over, but I've got the hots for Gertrude, and you're not my type." Also, men don't think that much with our big head, so we change our minds a lot. I could really mean "come back and see me later", and then two minutes later be seized with a compulsion to go upstairs with Gertrude. Forgive me, I'm human! ;-)

I've also tried approaching clients and not even before I get to the table the guys already telling me to talk to the hand and basically not interested but not even giving me a chance to introduce myself ... like WTF is that all about excuse my language but that's pretty rude.

I hope I've never done this rudely, but on my part, I know you're there to make money, and I don't want to waste your time. I feel bad if I engage you in casual chit chat for two minutes, and THEN tell you I'm not taking you for dances. So I frequently tell ladies right away when they come up to me that I won't be dancing with them today, in the hope that they'll have better luck at the next table.

So on this one, I'm going to say that you ladies are being a little unfair. On the one hand, you're complaining that men are saying "no" too quickly. On the other hand, Megan is unloading on time wasters! Can I take away the impression that us men can't win?

I want all you dancers to have a big meeting, and decide on EXACTLY how long a man should chat with you to be polite, but then let you know that he won't be taking you for any dances. Let us know, and we'll bring stopwatches! ;-)

And last, on the topic of a "three dance minimum" to go to a club. I think this would be extremely unfair. There are times when I just want to have a couple of beers, and relax, and enjoy the sight of you beautiful women. On a couple of occasions a lady has even sat and chatted with me, although I've told her I won't be dancing. That immediately moves her to the top of my list for the next time I'm there for dances.

Any club that tries to force me to take ladies for dances before they let me in will definitely have seen the last of me!

Don't be ridiculous, Kilt Boy, this is the digital age, DivaChanel'l have a teleprompter!

Yes, you're right. It was Valentino's. So now, where was the "Club 999", where 999 was the street address? I thought it was the one on Somerset, but obviously it was somewhere else!

Since this is turning into a general Q&A, I'll unload one of my pet peeves, and this is aimed at the customers out there. WHY DON'T YOU CLAP WHEN A GIRL COMES ON AND GOES OFF STAGE? I know it's their "job", but jeez, she is getting up in front of a bunch of strangers, and doing a fairly intimate act. Would it kill you to take 30 seconds out of your terribly busy day and give her some applause when she goes on and comes off?

I've done some public speaking in front of crowds, and it's just a lot more fun when the audience is responsive. It makes for a better time for everyone!

There. I feel better!

Yes! Jason's is the one that was on or close to the March road. Then it closed and reopened as a different name, but that one only lasted a few months, I think.

You are busy today, aren't you!

I've never told a dancer that I didn't want to dance with her because she wasn't my type. I don't see the need for it, and let's face it no matter how politely it's said, it's a bit of a shot to the ego. I don't think any customers should say that. I always just use an excuse, "oh, I'm sorry, I'm waiting for a particular person" or "oh, I'm sorry, I've spent all the money I can". 95 percent of the time the dancer goes along with it, with a quick "have a great day" and moving on.

By the way, to dancers, FOR HEAVEN'S SAKE DON'T PESTER THE CUSTOMER IF THEY SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT! In my case, in a lot of cases what I'm saying is the truth, I might really like you, and another day I'll cheerfully sign you up. But if you bug me after I've politely turned you down, you definitely go onto my PAIN IN THE A** list. That doesn't apply to the next day, though. Feel free to chat me up again, it's a new day and I never mind that.

Once, I got latched on to by a complete leech. I could not have made my lack of interest more clear, but she just sat there. Finally, when she got up to use the facilities, I scuttled over to a friend and got her to take me into the CR for a few minutes, just to get away. (You know who you are, my knight in shining armour)!

To me, asking about your personal life on just meeting is a bit rude, but then again, I'm like you a bit of a curious george, so I probably do ask some questions that might tick some dancers off. I find they're remarkably good at coming up with non-answers when they want to, and then I just smile and move the conversation on. I hope no dancers get mad at me for asking, as long as I don't persist. If a customer persists once a dancer non-answers, though, that's definitly rude and you should ditch the bum.

In terms of men saying they're happily in a relationship, my guess is they're new to clubs, they have no idea of what to expect, they're absolutely gobsmacked when a beautiful woman comes up and asks them to go for dances, and this is the first thing that comes out of their poor, confused brains. (You realize that most of a man's blood supply is busy being used by something other than our brains, so have pity.) I suspect once they have some time to mull it over, they either realize that clubs aren't for them and don't go back, or they go back fully prepared to buy dances, or they come up with a better excuse!

I'm not one of them, but I suspect there are some guys who go to clubs to enjoy being around beautiful, naked ladies, but taking them for dances is a step over their moral values. I don't think it's a bad thing, they're helping the club by buying drinks, and when you think about it, the choice isn't between him not buying dances and buying dances (which he's not going to do), but between him being there buying drinks and not being there at all. There've been a few posts grumbling about these guys, but I'm okay with it.

Whew! You used up my brain's entire small blood supply for the next few hours! I think I need a nap...

Seriously, this is fun. Keep the questions coming...

It was a different time, for sure. I never spent much time in either, but I was definitely at both of them.

I have some more for your list...

There used to be a Fanny's on Bank Street, I think it was where the Cue n Cushion is now, just north of Barrymores.

I remember a Club 999 (can't remember the actual number) on Somerset Street West, near where there are a couple of Indian grocery stores now. Burned down, I think?

There was quite a nice club way out in the west end, March Road maybe? It was more recent than the other two, I think it only closed about five years ago.

Hey Megan

Don't harsh my buzz! Who cares if it's actually her birthday...if she wants to get naked and lean over me for a five dollar bill, as far as I'm concerned she can call it a graduation present!!

Ah, another illusion shattered...

 

I think if a couple of guys and/or dancers talked to the DJ, and he said something like "Hey, it's DivaChanel917's birthday, and a couple of guys want to show her some appreciation...feel free to join in", and a couple of guys lined up with their fives, I don't think anybody could be offended or feel pressured. I know I'd certainly join in. I'd love to see it!

Great discussion!

Although I've hit the age where birthdays have lost their thrill, I love some of the ideas. I really like guys lining the stage with fives...not too expensive for anyone, lots of fun, helps out the dancer!

DivaChannel, hope you have a great one!

Your clothing or her clothing? Where DO you carry your wallet??

Somebody's going to have to keep an eye on you!

If the Gods cooperate, I'll finally be able to buy you your birthday beer on Friday. Very curious about Paris!!

Yes, but wasn't all the adrenaline from that initial excitement worth it? Better to have experiences and be disappointed than to never do anything!

INTEGRITOUS is my gladiator name.

I thought it was Lascivious? Or maybe Hornius? I swear I saw a statue of Pan, and he had your face!

God, I wish I'd been there. I would have laughed...I would have howled...I would have taken pictures, and posted them here!!

I would have posted them on all the lamp posts within three blocks!!!

Somewhere inside me, there's a "mean girl" trying to get out.