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    Thanks to Mikey, I could meet her today. She says her ad is up but I couldn't find it. She is really tiny as mentioned so you have to be careful if you are a big person. Her place was near and clean, good attitude. She has restrictions so have to respect that. Hope she comes to lyla and establish herself. If spinner is your type, then give her a try. 

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    51 minutes ago, Pamela Luscious said:

    Gaslighting, deflection, ego stroking, power games… yawn. Textbook.

     

    It’s none of your business to ask if a woman is “worth” her rate. End of story.

     

    I don’t care how offended you are, my words weren’t meant to coddle you.

     

    If you’re offended that I support women’s rights and autonomy, that’s entirely on you. You were never my clientele to begin with.

     

    I’m uninterested and bored about your income. I’ve said what I needed to say, and I’m not entertaining it.

     

    You’ve exposed yourself clearly as a client, my job here is done.

    Lol! If anyone is exposed in this conversation, it's you. You even lost a potential client, I saw one of the guy who said he will never plan to book with you based on your attitude shown here. So let other folks decide who got exposed here. If I was wrong, I would have been cornered from all directions. But fortunately some of the hobbyists understood what my question was and I did not intend any disrespect and answered it clearly. 

     

    You don't get to say whether it's my business or not. You don't own me, you don't own this platform. You are not entitled. You are just a member, like me. I have every damn right to ask whether my time and money is worth. 

     

    I don't give a damn about what you care and support. You can support hundred movements and indulge in verbal diarrhea anywhere you want. Who cares? And like you said even I don't even care if you are offended or not. I will keep asking what I need to know as long as I keep the decorum of the forum. 

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    9 hours ago, Pamela Luscious said:

    Do you know what budgeting means? Just because someone has money doesn’t mean they want to fit a provider into their budget. I said budget, not income. There’s a difference.

     

    If you wish to discuss your income with everyone, you’re more than welcome to open a new thread bragging about your riches. To be honest, I’m uninterested and won’t be participating.

    "just because those women don’t fit their budget."

    You were being plain arrogant here and disrespectful too how much ever you try to twist your words like budget, income blah blah. You were just trying to implicate that I didn't have enough money so was checking whether to spend more money on elite. 

    And for the second part, who told you that these women are not in my radar? Who told you that I am never going to book them anyway? Do you have a say whom I should book and should not? Where is the freedom of choice lol! Again, your double standards are being exposed time after time. 

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    And btw I received a few dms from fellow hobbyists who have seen both Elite and Regular YFL providers. They gave their honest feedback about their experience which will now help me to decide whether I should go to a regular or Elite provider. That was all I was looking for in first place but unfortunately the post got hijacked and the topic was diverted to something which was not even in the picture. Thanks to the folks who understood the many reasons why this platform is for.

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    6 hours ago, Pamela Luscious said:

    Trust me, we don’t care about your income. We care about respect and proper bookings.

    Your budget is the last thing on our minds… actually, it’s not on our minds at all. 😉

    If it was not in your mind, then you wouldn't have brought it up. You mentioned multiple times in your post. Let me highlight below

    "But what they don’t have is the right to pick apart women they’re not even planning to book, just because those women don’t fit their budget."

    "especially by those who were never going to book her anyway."

    "But that should never turn into a debate about the worth of women who were never on his radar to begin with,"

    Who told you that I don't have budget to book an elite provider? I am pretty sure you will never understand or consider that as being disrespectful to a hobbyist. 

     

     

     

     

     

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    19 minutes ago, Pamela Luscious said:

    First of all, I appreciate your ability to communicate respectfully without getting emotional, that’s rare and valuable in these discussions.

     

    That said, I want to clarify something: I never said that clients who book within their budget are dehumanizing, nor did I say that providers who charge less are “dragging down” others.

     

    What I have said, and I’ve repeated this multiple times now, is that asking whether providers who charge more are “worth it” is disrespectful and dehumanizing. That specific framing reduces a human being to a price tag and treats her work, boundaries, and self-worth as something for strangers to publicly dissect. That’s the issue.

     

    I’ve also acknowledged, repeatedly, that two providers at different price points may offer the same type of service on paper, but they are still different people. And because we are not robots or blowup dolls, the experience will be different. Our rates are based on many things beyond just the act itself, it's energy, time, boundaries, style, lifestyle, demand, and personal comfort.

     

    I fully support every provider’s right to charge what aligns with her goals, whether that’s a lower or higher rate. And yes, every client also has the autonomy to choose services within their budget. But what they don’t have is the right to pick apart women they’re not even planning to book, just because those women don’t fit their budget.

     

    You said it “feels like we can’t talk about rates.” Well… that’s kind of the point. Rates are personal and business decisions made by each provider for herself. It’s not open for public debate or cost-benefit analysis, especially by those who were never going to book her anyway.

     

    It’s her time, her energy, her sensuality, her boundaries... her. If someone doesn’t understand that or thinks he’s entitled to question her pricing like he’s shopping on Amazon, then that’s not a respectful discussion about value, that’s objectification, plain and simple.

     

    If a client can’t afford a higher rate or doesn’t personally see the value, he is always free to book within his budget. But that should never turn into a debate about the worth of women who were never on his radar to begin with, because someone else is booking her. And respecting that is the bare minimum.

    Too quick to judge that people who bring up the discussion do not have budget to book an 'Elite' provider or don't have plans to? Omg! Now you speak like you are entitled lol! No 'disrespect' to hobbyists right? Judging their budget, capacity? Double standards have hit a different level today. Gosh!

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    On 7/2/2025 at 11:01 PM, Pamela Luscious said:

    This isn’t Walmart. The customer isn’t always right.

     

    Obviously it’s a business, anything generating revenue and paying taxes operates under a business model. That doesn’t mean you get to treat people like products or assume every experience should be “worth it” by your standards.

     

    Common sense really isn’t that common, clearly.

    Is it so? In that case the business owner is also not always right!

     

    If it's a business then I dare to furnish the legal business name and GST/HST number. Any business can easily provide it as long as they are paying taxes right? You are now self mocking. 

     

    I would rather call this as a service model, not a business model. That's why girls here are often mentioned as 'Service Providers' and not 'Business Woman'. There is a difference but I guess everyone wouldn't get it, as you mentioned common sense is not that common! 

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    2 hours ago, Pamela Luscious said:

    I’ve already explained it clearly. I’m not going to repeat myself for the fourth time. Stop saying I’m putting words in your mouth when everyone here can literally read what you wrote. That tactic doesn’t work.

     

    At this point, it’s not a lack of explanation, it’s a lack of understanding. I can explain it to you, but I can’t make you understand it. And I’m not going to waste more energy trying.

     

    You’ve told on yourself, and that’s on you for exposing yourself publicly.

     

    “I’m paying for a service, not you” tells me everything I need to know. That one sentence proves exactly the point I’ve been making this entire time.

     

    You don’t see the provider as a person offering an experience. You see her as a product you pay for, which is exactly why your question came across as dehumanizing from the start. You can say you “respect women’s choices” all you want, but the language you keep using contradicts that completely.

     

    Lol! What you said is true. Its lack of understanding. But it's you who doesn't understand because you can think only from your point of view. It was you who got exposed when you said it's a 'business' model. If it's a business, then I am the customer and I have every right to ask. And you are right. I am the one paying for the service. Not you. If that offends you, I can't help.

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    On 6/30/2025 at 10:21 PM, Pamela Luscious said:

    You're still contradicting yourself, you’re literally asking, “Why pay the elite rate instead of the regular rate?” That’s the woman’s choice. No one is being shackled or forced into a category. She decides what to charge, and that’s it.

     

    What you’re implying is: why pay more if you can get the same for less? And yes, that is dehumanizing. These are not factory-line products. Each woman has her own energy, her own personality, her own preferences. You’re not going to have chemistry with every single person, and you’re certainly not going to get the same experience with every provider, even if they offer a similar service label.

     

    Two providers may both offer GFE, but one might be soft-spoken and nurturing, while another is bold and flirty. That difference alone can completely change the experience, because the service is rendered by a human being, not a template.

     

    And no, you're not experiencing the service “through the eyes of hobbyists.” You’re experiencing your own booking, with your own expectations, preferences, and connection. Asking hobbyists if someone is “worth it” based on a label makes zero sense, because chemistry, connection, and enjoyment are all subjective. You want to know if she is worth it to you? Book her. That’s how this works.

     

    You asked, “Why are they classified into two categories?” again, that’s their choice. Some ladies charge more because they want exclusivity, fewer clients, and longer dates. Others may charge less and prefer shorter dates or more volume. Both are valid. That’s a business model, not a value judgment.

     

    Same with agencies, some women prefer to manage everything themselves, others would rather let someone else handle screening, marketing, and logistics so they can focus on their clients. It’s a personal business decision.

     

    And finally, stop crying about your “right to ask questions.” You do have that right. And I have every right to challenge what you're saying if I believe it's rooted in a problematic mindset. You don’t get to post on a public forum and then get upset when someone disagrees with you. That’s how discussions work.

     

    I don’t need to work for an agency to have an opinion when men start talking about whether women who charge more are “worth it.” You either book her, experience what she offers, and leave a review, or don’t book and move on. But constantly questioning why someone charges more, or calling the “elite” label into doubt like it’s a scam, is not curiosity, it’s entitlement. If it’s not for you, move on. Simple.

     

    You keep putting your words in my mouth (which btw if you haven't noticed, is disrespectful by itself). I have never questioned a woman's choice. Any woman can charge whatever they want to. But same way, I can ask my questions as long as YFL has not clearly defined what the difference is. I am paying for the service. Not you. 

     

    So what? I care about what experience I am getting if I pay more. Wotz wrong in that? Yes experience might differ but I cannot see every single person to determine which experience I like better. So I ask fellow hobbyists. Who are you to judge whether I need to experience with my own eyes and not rely on other hobbyists? This is a platform where everyone can share their experience. I am person who is okay with making a decision based on that. It's my right, my choice, my decision. 

     

    You said it's a 'business model'. And for your kind information, anybody who pays to a business has the right to understand whether its worth it. I am glad that you called this out as a business and not a service. So that makes my statement and question so valid. Isn't it?

     

    You have every right to challenge. Who questioned that? If anyone is crying it's you since you misunderstood my whole point. Yes this is a public forum and I have every right to post the same way you consider you have every right to challenge. It's a two way street so no point in getting offended.

     

    I never said YFL is a scam, in fact I am one of their regulars. Again, don't put your words in my mouth. Constantly questioning? Can you show me another post of mine on same topic? You are just raising some false accusations to put me in a bad spot. Or maybe YFL? If I may borrow your words, this is after all a 'BUSINESS' right?

  13. Posted · Edited by TonyK
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    Yes, I asked 'worth it'. I didn't ask whether the women, providers in general are worth or not. You are just twisting my words to put me in a bad spot, which God knows why. Anyone who has common sense would have understood what I meant.

     

    If every women is unique, then why are they classified into buckets? You see you are being hypocritical here. You don't see women as objects but you can classify them and offer same services in different rates. YFL doesn't define why they classify some providers are elite, which is one of the root causes of my question. And do you think you can answer on their behalf?

     

    Of course it's their choice or their agency's choice to decide their rate. And I don't demand for a reduced rate or a service that they done provide. But obviously I can ask a question for clarification to the fellow hobbyists. People can choose to decline answering and if moderator thinks it's inappropriate, they can delete the post. But it OBVIOUSLY IS MY CHOICE to ask for a clarity. That is also a reason why this forum is for.

     

    Again, I don't need to book something and experience is it myself when I have so many fellow hobbyists here who could answer me. If not, they can ignore and move on. So you mean to say standard service is not rendered by a human being? I did not place woman in categories, YFL did. So based on your words,  they are being disrespectful to women. So you can go and question them, not me.

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    First of all, I am not questioning the worth of a woman. Please don't redirect this towards an unnecessary topic which was not at all intended. We, as clients, are paying for a providers' service and time. So I don't know how it's a crime to discuss whether it's worth our money to spend more on a service which seems to be standard as they are all managed by a single agency. If every woman is unique as you said, then why are they classified into certain categories and all women in that category has the same rate? And in that way, classification itself should be unethical right? 

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  18. Posted

    I recently noticed that YFL sends only their elite providers to Halifax. New Brunswick guys are getting frequent visits from regular providers. Even some new like Ashley, Mia and Jasmine. Is this a big city strategy? I am not sure whether it's worth to meet an Elite paying more considering all YFL girls are equally beautiful and their services are standard gfe with regular or elite pricing. Thoughts?

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