Halifax Charges - Procurement, Bawdy House, Uttering Threats (i.e. Pimping)

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PoorGuy posted a link to the related CBC story on the "Someone we know?" thread. I'll post this here, on a separate thread of its own, so we can follow it separately:

 

Halifax Police media release, 17 Feb 2012:

 

http://www.halifax.ca/Police/PressReleases/2012/02%20February/Man-Faces-Prostitution-Related-Charges.html

 

Man Faces Prostitution Related Charges

 

A man faces a number of prostitution related charges as a result of a 4½ month-long investigation.

 

In September 2011, officers assigned to the HRP/RCMP Integrated Vice Unit received a complaint concerning a common bawdy house being operated in the 2000 block of Robie Street

[2000 is the corner of Robie and Quinpool, I think. The numbers on Robie run north to 3000 at about Young Street].

The investigation indicates that the prostitution operation moved from Robie Street and relocated to a local motel for a period of time before moving to other locations.

 

In January, officers learned that the operation had moved to Fredericton, New Brunswick. Yesterday, HRP/RCMP Vice Investigators and officers from Fredericton Police Force conducted a search at a motel located on the north side of Fredericton. Seven people, including three men, two women, one female youth and one male youth, were arrested. Six of the people were released without charges and investigators will be returning to Halifax with one man who will face charges in connection with this investigation.

 

Twenty-six-year-old Blake Edward Stymest is scheduled to appear in Halifax Provincial Court today to face the following charges:

 

Section 212(1)(j) CC - Living Partly on the Avails of Prostitution

Section 212(1)(d) - Procures a Person in Canada to Become a Prostitute

Section 212(1)(h) - For the Purpose of Gain, Exercise Control, Direction or Influence over the Movements of a Person in Such a Manner is Aiding/Abetting or Compelling that Person to Engage in Prostitution

Section 210(a) CC - Keeping a Common Bawdy House

Section 264.1 CC - Uttering Threats to Cause Bodily Harm

[Grizzly Slushie 1487]

I cannot go to a house where an SP has told me to go. Especially downtown, I prefer a hotel/motel or a secure apartment/condo building. Glad this place was found, gives a chance for Gentleman to look for the higher quality SP's who have a great reputation.

[Missie 100]

Could someone please explain to me what is the fine line between being a "pimp" and running an escort company? As i have been told they are very similar, in the fact that they make sure the girls are safe and things like that. I know some "pimps" may be forcing women into it but i dont believe that is the case with all situations. If a man has women that are escorts that watches over and they are not forced into it and they enjoy their life and what they are doing is he still doing the wrong thing? I guess im kind of confused why escort companies can be legal if what they do is so very similar then the actions of guys one guy or "pimp".

[fortunateone 156618]

Could someone please explain to me what is the fine line between being a "pimp" and running an escort company? As i have been told they are very similar, in the fact that they make sure the girls are safe and things like that. I know some "pimps" may be forcing women into it but i dont believe that is the case with all situations. If a man has women that are escorts that watches over and they are not forced into it and they enjoy their life and what they are doing is he still doing the wrong thing? I guess im kind of confused why escort companies can be legal if what they do is so very similar then the actions of guys one guy or "pimp".

 

 

 

Actually escort agencies are not legally permitted to provide employees who offer sexual services to their clients.

 

From a legal perspective, escort agencies claim that they are dispatching these individuals to provide a social or conversational service, since prostitution laws often forbid taking payment for sex or communicating for the purpose of arranging a contract for sexual services. Advertisements for escort agencies often carefully skirt the legal line, and avoid specifically offering prostitution or sexual services. This fact in turn is well-known to police and the political powers, who, where prostitution is illegal, usually prefer to act against more visible and problematic street prostitution. This has been criticized as hypocrisy, especially where governments license and tax the escort agencies.[2] There are, however, agencies that do go by these laws and do not facilitate prostitution. Some countries have used a two-pronged attempt of criminalizing street prostitution but permitting or licensing prostitution in brothels or via escort agencies.[3]

 

The arm's length relationship between the escort and the escort agency is designed to protect the escort agency (to some degree) from prosecution for breaking laws against prostitution. If the employee is solely responsible for arranging any illegal prostitution-oriented activities, the agency can maintain plausible deniability should an arrest be made.

Escort services aim to provide an experience that allows the operators to claim that whatever happens between the escort and the client is consensual. Operators tend to avoid discussing specifics over the telephone or via emails to avoid complications with the law.

 

 

There is no reason why an agency owner could not be charged with exactly the same things as a pimp is charged with. Especially if the escort agency is providing incall locations, like paying for hotel rooms etc.

 

I kind of get what you are saying tho. One of the reasons the laws were challenged was that sps were not legally permitted to pay anyone to help monitor their safety and security.

 

The laws specific to 'pimping' tho don't really refer to security, as much as they are referring to forced sex work, intimidation and coercian, and procuring. If you wanted to pay someone to take care of the details of marketing, advertising, as well as to be security, that person would be your employee if you are doing it from that perspective. If someone approaches you and suggested you should do sex work so you can both make money off of your work, then punish you if you don't make quota, and in addition takes all of the money that you do make, that is pimping.

 

Agencies take a fee, but they don't take the entire thing, nor do they beat people up if they get sick and can't work one day.

[Missie 100]

Thank you for all of the great information, that helped clear up a lot of the questions i had. Since it is not legal for a provider to hire someone to do their advertising or security even if it would be considered her personal employee. Say for instance a girl was to do that, give hired person a percentage of her money for security and advertising, and this girl was to get busted for prostitution. Could the person she hired be looked at as if he was her pimp and be charged?