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I tend to disagree with your statement about ladies losing track of the business as well that expecting $300+ an hour is out of line. As someone who travels 80% of the month, I think it is you that does not understand how a touring lady conducts her business. If people are interested in seeing a companion, regardless of what her donations are they will visit with her. Why would anyone travel to another city and work for less than they currently make, would you? If a lady is travelling she has expenses among other things on top of normal everyday expenses at home. Not all providers are high volume ladies either, most come to visit with the expectation of seeing a couple amazing clients. Their donation among how they carry themselves allows them to be able to do just that. Some increase there donations to cover expenses others require a time duration minimum. If the lady has a great additude, personality and service, she is worth every penny of a what ever she chooses to charge for her time. There is no "Market Rate" /"Going Rate" in any city, people like to use that term to barter and that is a load of garbage. You use the term to "keep the flow of business steady" - Not all ladies offer a revolving door service. What a lady charges and what she offers are up to her, if she is in demand and people are happy her donation will not matter in the end.

One thing I've learned in this business is that you do not have a monopoly on any particular service, but you do have a monopoly on yourself. There are many gentlemen who aren't just 'looking to get laid' but who have particular standards and they are willing to pay for the right lady.

I really believe men (and women) are not monogamous. The subject of "Variety" is always well received by practicing males. If a female declares that she wants variety, she will be considered a nymphomaniac, More or less we agree that times from Christopher Columbus have changed....but the reality is different. In our developed societies the stigma of variety is a double sword and love does not have to do anything with it. Love is care, and many more other qualities, but probably hobbying is the escape from routine, boredom and the physiological need of man to "procreate", Women are maternal and most of my clients certify that when they say to me that their wives do not want sex...and if they are convinced to engage in it, they are boring and unappealing...in other words the male sex drive is not interested.... The question of "infidelity" has to be raised in a different way: What is fidelity? is it castrating the male? castrating the female? Is fidelity one of the vows couples swear to each other? Is accepted that males as well as females are both providers in financial needs...it is also well accepted that men have a natural tendency to promiscuity and females should belong only to their men and raise their children at home.... I am very glad I have met many females who are different and many males who stand apart from the crowds, but in general and going back to "infidelity" the question should be What is fidelity?? My little opinion! Loralee:bowdown:

Amanda, The below post is not a friendly comment.You are trying to put yourself at higher spectrum then other ladies. Which I find very distasteful without having complete knowledge of any other ladies if they are "well educated person capable of offering enriching experience". Comments like this do not sit well with myself and I'm sure others here.

Annessa hit the nail on the head why would it matter to Ottawa's self described #1 Agency what other ladies charge local or touring sp's. I think there maybe another motive behind the thread its call advertising in a different manner. For me it is not about the rate but the lady if I choose to see a lady at $400 hr or a lady at $200 an hour im not spening the money on the RATE but on the lady and her time and to me sometimes you can't put a price on these after all this is not a grocery store.

In a perfect world, the analogy is just that, perfect. It's like eating at a restaurant instead of eating at home. The problem is that we as a society are conditioned to equate sex with a loving relationship. That is especially true if one or both parties are otherwise encumbered with a significant other. Jim.... it's not just women, it's men as well. Think of it. Your view is based on a perception that your wife does not wish the same things that you want sexually. Now consider something else. Would you not feel betrayed, hurt, angry or smitten if your wife was seeing another man, just for sex? If the answer is yes, then you too, link sex with love. I have been on the other side, my ex cheated on me. The relationship and ultimately the sex she had with another man cut me like a thousand knives. I was the good husband. I made the efforts, held a good job, did my share around the house... virtually everything I did, I did for the sake of our relationship, our family. What hurt the most was that the relationships she had outside of the marriage denied me the intimate contact that I craved. She was giving her "physical love" to someone else... and although I had opportunity to engage in extramarital activity, I could not bring myself to do it. It is a tough road to tread. I don't engage in the hobby when I am in a relationship because I can't justify it to myself. It certainly is not a condemnation of anyone who can; I just can't do unto someone else what has been done to me, and I know that if I was in a relationship it would be a guilt that would ultimately be fatal to that same relationship. I understand that the SP/client relationship is altogether different than a boyfriend/girlfriend, husband/wife, lover/lover thing... but the penis and the heart are two separate things with two separate agendas. All that being said, the place that I find myself now in life allows me to indulge in the hobby with only the pause for financial justification and allowance. I am not currently looking for an SO; the need for that companionship can be met by friends, family and my service provider. Just my two cents...

Boy, tough one to answer, but here goes..... Hobbying is one of the most selfish things I have ever done......period... However, I have come to rationalize it, by convincing myself that I HAVE EARNED the right to spoil myself from time to time...... Why you ask ? To me it's simple, I have provided a stable home over the years, provided all the emotional support that was needed, the material wealth that was desired all this and worked MY ASS off without complaining or asking for a rest or demanding more than my fair share. I have ALWAYS been there when needed, my support has always been unflinching for my family.... The time I spend with an SP is 'ME TIME', it is my time to spoil myself, to relax and be with someone who DOES NOT JUDGE ME, nor expect anything in return other than for me to be myself, and of course the donation that is required...... No drama, no demands, no expectations, just a good time to be had by both people, and a chance to steal away with some 'us time'......an oasis away from the day to day norm.... So, when I hobby, it is ME TIME..... Is it selfish, damn straight ! Have I earned it.....I believe I have ...well, in my mind anyway...... That is how I rationalize my hobby.......I don't seek assurance that I am right, because I have convinced my self that it is just fine.....and I am enjoying myself.....:pimp: SNK

Yes, we are selling a sexual service, but I think the word "giving" reflects the fact that this service is unlike no other. You're not paying to have us clean your house, you're paying to experience a part of us, something that is invaluable and has no dollar amount. To compare, a doctor may charge an American $10,000 for a lifesaving surgery, but I still would have no problem saying that the doctor "gave me life." Again, the service is invaluable. Yes, I charge $220 for a 90 minutes lapdance/massage session, but my sexuality and beauty is something that has no dollar amount, and I'm sharing that with you.

thanks cat. this post has lifted my spirits a little more. the site has grown so large that I really can't do it on my own and I have been pushing myself this last year to a breaking point. people are constantly complaining and everyone seams to feel they need to tell me how to do things. most people do not consider that they are just one person demanding my time with frivolous complaints, whining and my favorite... redundant bitching (when they just repeat themselves over and over than get pissed off when I tell them where to go or remove them) with the site growing so large we have 10 times more spammers (you rarely see these as I remove them before you ever see them... only a few get by recentlybecause some exploit exists that has not been patched yet that allows the spammers to circumvent the moderation queue) .. I would estimate 300+ spam posts are removed each month. title infractions.... we don't want the site to lookk like cl with all the crazy post titles trying to out do the next one and gain the most attention... so i have very specific rules to stop this and i use to take the time to pm each person and tell them what they did wrong... i found that even when i took the time people would ignore the pm and continue to break the rules so now i just delete the post and give them a infraction with a link to the rules.. I get people every day wasting my time asking me to elaborate on what they did wrong... did they read the link with the rules??? NO... They are just wasting my time. about 300 posts a month break this rule and more than 1/2 of them break the rule over and over again. This is disrespectful and these people do not deserve to use the site so I just keep deleting the ad posts and eventually just remove them. if they are literate enough to post an ad they can dam well read the rules or they are not welcome here. when I suspend someone (especially a SP or a male member with 50+ posts) i get people PM me (who only hear one side of the story) demanding I let them back or telling me I was wrong or calling me a dictator. These people run to the other sites and tell everyone how horrible I am (and really that did not bother me in the past but now its getting a little annoying).. FINALLY... we have those idiots who post shit like "I am affraid to post on cerb because I will get in trouble" or "I know the rule is... hopefully the mod does not remove me" or the really big idiots who want to fight with me on the site and don't think I have the balls to kick them off!! Yes, it wears on me!! Yes, I am done with it and yes I would not wish this job on anyone. Cat probably meant to post this in the PRIVATE area away from public view but we can let everyone know. I am done and I am working on a way to keep the site moving forward. We are looking for a way to have the community help moderate the site (Myself, the SP's who have SP ONLY access and the ELITE members have a private discussion thread where we are trying to come up with a solution that will keep the site moving forward and keep the integrity of the site alive. I have confidence in our members (Most of them) and I think a few should be removed who are trouble makers but I will leave that up to the people who will take my place as the decision makers. This is not open for public debate but if you are an elite member or a SP ONLY member you are welcome to comment in the private area and have your say. We would love to hear any idea's. If you are not able to see that area please DO NOT pm me. My PM is very busy and full with all this. I am willing to help the transition go forward smoothly (I am not walking away tomorrow or anything) I will continue forward and make sure the site is in good hands before I move on. I will probably always be part of the site in some sort of way (System admin, Server Admin, Software upgrades, etc... after all I am a computer guy and not a politian).

Posted via Mobile Device Well boys I was hoping someone would tofft on michelle whom after actually trying her out found her name to be chanelle like the perfume she said. So anyway she's definetly much better looking than joy yee and a whole lot younger. The massage started out with a sweet hello my name is blah blah and she will get really close to you when she says it. She proceeded then to give me a remarkable massage not as well as joy yee but comparable on some level apparently she went to beuty school but did not finish. She got on my back did the neck and back together got off and concentrated on the buttocks then moved on to the legs. After that she'd ask if I wanted to turn over her ass is much firmer than joy yee so thats a plus. She very talkative and has a good command of of the English language. The finish was the most interesting part she took nearly ten minutes to get me off. She said she's been practicing using tapes someone gave so she always asked if she was doing it right. She's a very happy person I wonder how long her perkiness will last in this work environment haha overall I'd pick her over joy yee anyday better Convo better finish and way better looking.