craig101

I don't usually write reviews as writing is not my strong suit but felt the need to let everyone know how great of a time I had with Hannah. Not only does she have a smoking body and a beautiful smile but also possesses a wonderful personality. Extremely easygoing and open minded.

Can't say enough good things about her. Can't wait to see her again!

The OP is a relatively new member and I am sure she was not aware when she posted the thread, that the topic had been brought up before. So for that, I say cut her a bit of slack.

 

That being said, I think we all need to remember that it doesn't matter what we say, some will read whatever they want into it.

 

I agree, as said before, let this thread die already.

I'm no expert on letting a thread die but I'm guessing that posting several times asking for the thread to die won't help and is ironically counter productive to your cause.

You can unsubscribe to this thread.

This thread can't bother you if you ignore it.

Feel free to stop searching for the thread title, clicking on the link, scrolling down to the new posts, reading them, and then clicking on "reply" any time you want.

Well, I see the thread still lives, I may as well have another little rant which won't serve to either increase nor end this debate.

 

I live in a very tiny, rural town in an under served provider area, and where the hobby is illegal to boot. A few years ago, I was fortunate to get in on the ground floor with a young massage artist just starting out. She hasn't bothered to advertise at all for some time, in fact I don't think she's taking any new clients.

 

Years ago, when she lived elsewhere, she had a very nasty experience with some black guys which permanently soured her opinion of black folks. Desperate for cash when opening her biz, she took on a few black customers for massage/hand jobs. Others including me were offered hj, bj, reverse, and a few other options. Over time, she also developed a very limited clientele for full gfe service.

 

I must disclose I am an overweight, 6ft. 6in. tall, bald, middle age white man. To be in her select group, you must either be buffed and super hot(not me), or doctor, lawyer, sugardaddy type(not me).

 

Over time through attrition, the black guys are all gone. Is she guilty of racism because she only offered them basic service, and now won't see them anymore? I say if so, so what?

 

She and I have become friends and yet, she still only offers me excellent massage, oily hand jobs, and slobbering bj's. Should I be offended because she won't give full service to an old guy who can't afford to buy her jewels, furniture, or a new car motor? I think I'll stay her friend and accept what's offered even though she's an ageist, weightist, and walletist.

 

All the discrimination in this biz is certainly not all aimed at black men, but let's face facts, that's what we're talking about. If one checks b_ p_ for most any city, the number of providers refusing blacks, also code words(thugs), is increasing. Even for the tiny market of Watertown, near a massive army base, where most all the providers are the travelling black girls, every week there is at least one who says "whites only". I don't know the reasoning, but there must be something.

 

In my view, if a man feels so put out because he's refused entry into her body due to his skin color, and can't just move on, then he might be suffering from some kind of empowerment, rape fantasy thing, and should seek counseling.

 

If a man was fucked with at his job or any other basic human service we expect, I'd be there backing him up. Sorry, this is just a whole different ball game. In other words..."The Lady's Holes', The Lady's Rules".

 

Let us please get back to hangnails, proper pube maintenance, bad breath, and stinky mofo armpits! Then I can quit posting, and return to lurking.

I honestly don't know if I should cry, laugh or be really scared.

In my opinion the Mod should put this thread out of our misery...

Cerb is a great place with a wide range of topics and threads. Not all of them are going to make everyone happy or be interesting to everybody.

If I don't like a thread I simply don't post. Its boring when everyone agrees on everything. Good debates expand the mind.

Of course there wasn't going to be any consensus on this topic but thats ok. Even if some people don't change their mind today maybe a seed has been planted and a greater understanding can be achieved down the road.

People here are having a difference of opinion and I can't handle it! Mod Mod Mod quickly close the thread!

Now we can all go back to the " How often do you cut your nails " thread.

Actually it is your opinion, you as pooner don't get to dictate how ladies can take safety measures and state who we can and not see for whatever reasons, just like we don't do that to you. I could equally cry racism for guys who don't see squirters, mature ladies or curvy ladies, same thing, different pile.

 

BTW I don't ask people's ethnicity when they inquire either, never have. I just tried give you a different perspective of why some ladies choose not to and they have that right to choose not to based on whatever information they are given in terms of safety.

 

Have a nice day.

I think the problem here is that you don't fully understand what the word racism is. You could not equally cry racism for guys who don't see squirters, mature ladies or curvy ladies. lol

In order to be racist you have to deal with race. The examples you gave have nothing to do with race.

As stated before, I believe the lady has a right to choose to see who ever she wishes whether its racist or not.

Have a great day

That's your opinion and you're entitled to it, but I disagree and let me clarify this is collective data from a couple hundred ladies, NOT just one. If there are possible risks that involve a ladies SAFETY and if she can reduce those risks, that is her right do so and half those points are safety risks, some more serious than others. You're also on the other side of the phone and process, numbers don't lie. Your concern as a client is how a lady treats you and the clients she does choose to see is it not? I think you would be very shocked at how some people act and speak towards ladies. If 3 out of 4 men of a certain ethnicity asked for BBFS between the ages of 27 to 40, that's a very dangerous number to be playing with and I can tell you in one city, that does happen. Risk is higher in some cities based on numbers and sorry if you think it's racist, but unless you experience it firsthand you really have no right to pass judgement wherein a lady may be putting her safety at risk. Safety is always a number one priority.

 

For the record craig and to those reading, I'm certainly not saying that ladies should make a generalization of certain ethnicities across Canada, that would be racist imho. I'm saying wherein some cities the risk of potential harm can be reduced then ladies should do what they feel is best for them and judgement shouldn't be passed.

Its not my opinion though. It is a matter of definition. Making a generalization of certain ethnicities within a city, even with the use of sophisticated statistics and data is racism.

Anytime you judge someone by their race before meeting them this is considered racism.

Racism can never be justified by stats.

I'm going to add some information to give some enlightenment a bit further. I've been working in this industry for almost 30 years, I've also been a member and moderator of a few ladies lounges.

 

So let me ask those of you who claim that it's not appropriate to not see members of a certain ethnicity, if you had statistical data of lets say the following;

 

-rude and verbally abusive clients

-clients that ask for bbfs

-clients that have very poor hygiene and refuse to shower

-clients that repeatedly do no-shows

-clients that have the highest tendency to do walks outs

-clients that are aggressive and physically abusive

-clients that have the highest tendency to haggle or name their own price

 

And lets say for arguments sake they were all of one ethnicity and a certain age bracket. Would you want to waste your time allowing that to continue when you net pretty much zero income from that ethnicity anyway or would you just scrap the idea altogether?

 

My personal screening process is based on attitude. However, I'm just trying to bring in a new perspective as to WHY there is a VERY great possibility that some ladies will not see certain ethnicities either.

This line of thinking by definition is pure racism.

Racial preferences reduce people to their ethnicity and reinforce racial hierarchies by insinuating that race alone is a powerful enough factor to negate everything else that someone has to offer.

Claiming that someone is unworthy of associating with you because of race and hiding behind the flimsy excuse of sexual tastes or lack of hypothetical romantic chemistry is racist.

Some preferences are fine.

Blanket assumptions based on race, ethnicity, and culture, particularly when these qualities are perceived as inherent deal breakers in forming a potential relationship, are not.

Some providers are racist. Why are we all dancing around this?

As some posters have already stated I'm sure a few of them have some non racist reasons for putting " NO BLACKS" etc... in their adds but at the end of the day there are WAY to many adds like this to be justified. I literally counted over 50 in one day on back page.

Are we really talking about preference? I never see adds that say

No fatties or guys over 300 pounds

No bald guys

Please have your teeth

Wear nice clothes

Must be over 6 feet!

Please have a cut cock

Please don't have a cut cock

Etc.....

I thought the only thing that mattered was

Be respectful

Have good Hygiene

I think too now say that these girls are merely exercising their " preferences" is disingenuous and not honest to the discussion. I realize there are exceptions and everything is not always black or white. ( no pun intended ) but one must assume a majority of these women have racial issues.

Again, I'm sure some girls have valid reasons that are not racial but we must acknowledge that racism does exist here and not try to brush all of this under the rug.

I also think its important for me to state that I believe that a lady has a 100 percent right to refuse anyone she wants. Its her decision! Period! Whether I personally agree or not.

I also think that this is not as much of a problem here on Cerb as I have found in my experience that the ladies here are professional with class.

Really that is rude...

 

Additional Comments:

You are all informed so why all the whining . Perhaps you discerning gents might gather your recourses and open that wonderful place where it will all be perfect for you . Just the night water temperature , just the right mommy fantasy .

Gee men who like it so specific and special I do encourage you to a open spa.

Of course in my own honest style I would ask you wonderful gentlemen to let me know how the search turned out . Hmm, let us wonderful ladies be here to grant fantasies.

I don't think there has been any whining. Expecting running water does not make a gentleman needy. lol Its not nitpicking, its a valid concern for some. I think both sides here have been mature and honest.

The OP is asking if a provider has birthday specials. He's not asking for a freebie. He has only 4 posts to his credit, so some allowance could be considered for the "newbie" factor.

 

The beauty of this industry, is that each provider can choose to run his / her business exactly as it best suits him / her. Be it rates, screening requirements, services provided...or anything else.

 

Consider for a moment, that the OP has perused the ads from our wonderful ladies, and is simply looking to save himself some time...because after all:

 

We have ladies with long weekend specials http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=191654&highlight=special

 

We have ladies with special allowances for later bookings or overnight rendezvous http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=191648&highlight=special

 

We have ladies with specials of the day http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=191639&highlight=special

 

We have early bird specials, and specials for bringing wine http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=191629&highlight=special

 

We have month end specials http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=191629&highlight=special

 

We have specials to help pay for taxes http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=191446&highlight=special

 

We have pre-booking specials http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=191045&highlight=special

 

We have specials for "$50 reduction for a rendez-vous confirmed before " deadline http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=190144

 

Clearly, specials are a common thing. So my question is this...why is it ok for providers to have specials, but frowned upon when men inquire about specials?

 

IMO, the OP is not looking to negotiate a ladies rates, he is inquiring if a provider has a birthday special...nothing more. Either a lady has one, or she doesn't. I don't see why it needs to be more complicated than that.

 

After all, cut him some slack...it's his birthday ;)

This is the post of the year!

Someone might have already said this but I'm not interested in reading this stupid threat.

 

It is NOT racist, it's a preference. Let's move on!

You won't read anything in this thread yet you post expecting people to read your comments? Sounds fair.

You also say lets move on but this thread had pretty much died and was dormant for 11 days until you posted. Kind of ironic.

BTW having a preference based solely on race is racism.

There have been some good posts here by members explaining how its possible in some cases that ladies are not being racist but it can't be a excuse for the many adds that we see everyday.

a little story about Tom....

During the course of his life Tom has had some issues with purple skinned people. He was once robbed by a purple skinned person and then many years later he was assaulted by a purple skinned person.

Although Tom realizes that not all purple skinned people are bad he can't help but treat them differently and is more careful with them.

Tom is free to think and live his life as he likes but...

Tom is racist

Here is a part of the racism definition. Note the last line.

Racism consists of both prejudice and discrimination based in social perceptions of biological differences between peoples. It often takes the form of social actions, practices or beliefs, or political systems that consider different races to be ranked as inherently superior or inferior to each other, based on presumed shared inheritable traits, abilities, or qualities. It may also hold that members of different races should be treated differently.[1][2][3]

Was sitting and chatting at a club with a girl this evening, suddenly she says "Shit, I am going to have to talk to her, she's new." The girl in question had approached a black couple in a booth. "Those two just sit there all day trying to find girls they can pimp."

 

Its sad, but its an industry reality.

 

I've spent the last year trying to help a friend recover her life after 3 years in a "relationship" with a black guy who promised her the world and told her he was investing all the money she made and she would have a great life after. Now she's in court trying to get even a fraction of it back.

 

All? Definitely not. But enough that in the setting these girls are in, they usually realize after a while that its better to pass up a few potential customers that would be perfectly decent people, to avoid the bad ones that ruin it for an entire ethnicity.

Don't all ethnicities have a few bad ones? By your reasoning the girls shouldn't see anybody.

Judging a person that you have never met before based on his ethnicity and estimating that he is a higher risk is pure racism.

Biggest turn off for me is when she starts to get dressed at the end of our session. That really sucks. lol

I love a girl dressed up as a police officer and come to my place and arrest me. Throw me down on the floor and search for weapons then... lol

0 hits doesn't mean they aren't downloaded pictures, it can mean tineye or google just hasn't hit them yet. In saying that 0 hits can also mean they are the owners pictures as well. My point is not to just rely image searches for conformation of fact.

Thats almost exactly what he said. lol

Even if in this dreamworld these ideas were agreed upon who would enforce them? Not that a price would ever be agreed on.

Every one here is a consumer to some degree. We all buy things. I'm going to assume that as consumers we are all against collusion. You can't just cherry pick in this situation alone because you might be on the other side of the fence.

Collusion is bad all the time except for those instances when I'm the seller. lol

Speaking for myself only, when I started in the industry, I didn't know what price to set. I looked at other girls' prices and figured since they had more experience, etc that I could not really expect to command the same price. So I set a price lower. In my mind, it seemed fair. But what I didn't realize was that it did lure men to go to me instead of the established girls who were maybe $50 more, at least to try me out. In actuality, I did provide very good service from day one, even though I didn't have experience in the industry. After all, I had just passed 40 and had had lots of experience with good sex, just not paid sex. lol So the good service along with the lower price DID keep those men coming to see me.

 

But then a couple of the girls talked to me and told me that I not only WAS hurting their personal business, (and that of others) but that my action could hurt the industry as a whole, especially if any other new girls would have set the same or similar price as me. It would mean that the girls who were watching their regulars start seeing me instead of them would feel compelled to lower their prices, too, which could start a domino effect that could potentially make the whole market tumble. I was shocked to hear that, so I gradually started upping my price little by little til I am now in that mid-range, too. I just didn't have the confidence to set that price in the beginning, nor the business sense to see the potential fallout.

 

In the end, it benefited me, too, of course, but I also felt I didn't want to cause any undue or unintended harm to anyone else's business.

 

 

 

Still learning,

Summer

Undercutting and competition should never be allowed in any industry. Collusion is the only way we can all be happy.

Started off with white boxers but ended up with brown. lol

Which Emily are you referring too?

A face pic is more helpful. The more information the better. For me, there is nothing sexier then a naughty smile or inviting eyes. The eyes are the gateway to the soul.

How much of a plus is it? I guess that is debatable.

However I do understand why an SP would not show her face and she should never be pressured into doing so.

Originally Posted by Phaedrus

But this question presumes that there needs to be a reason for it, or for anything. The universe doesn't need to exist for a reason. It just exists.

 

 

 

 

In a sense I agree with your comment Miss TJ. Most of us look for "meaning", "purpose" and "reasons". If you look at the history of science, initially it focused on the "meaning or purpose of life" and was very wrapped up in religious beliefs. "Science" as a body of knowledge and a methodology for describing the physical world was in its infancy and didn't look like it does now.

 

As it became clear that religious beliefs on the order and functioning of the cosmos were inconsistent with physical observations (think Copernicus and Galileo), scientific investigation became less restricted by religious beliefs about the meaning and purpose of life. Scientific thought became aligned with more secular philosophical thoughts. Of course, eventually, many abstract philosophical ideas, were shown to have an incorrect understanding of the physical world.

 

These days, science no longer concerns itself with metaphysical questions such as... the meaning of life... why the universe exists... what is its/our purpose. Those questions have been left for religion and philosophy. Scientific research and the body of knowledge we call "science" now focuses on "how" the physical world works, not why it works that way. For example evolution and relativity are successful theories describing how aspects of biology and physics work. Neither one however attempts to explain why the speed of light is constant or why we have DNA.

 

So while science may have its origins in seeking the reason or purpose of life/nature, that's no longer the case. If you ask most scientists to describe their work, they also wouldn't say they are answering questions of meaning or the purpose of existence. On the other hand, if you ask them if they have any religious or philosophical beliefs, most would say they do. Just like everyone else, they also seek meaning and purpose, they just realize it won't be found in a lab or in the field.

Science may not answer all the questions but it at leasts eliminates other answers that are suggested.

I don't think any of you are real. I'm having a bad dream and when I wake up all of you will be gone.

Just kidding.

Were all actually in the Matrix. Can't wait till I get out!

Heaven has never been proven to be a place so trying to figure out who and what is going there is an exercise in silliness. lol