How To Have Sex With Escorts: A Primer

[castle 38816]

Honestly I have had encounters where it was just sex, just "wham bam thank you ma'am" because once I got there realized there was no genuine connection between me and this person. And trust me in each case I did not repeat. Many of us, myself included, are looking for more than just "wham bam thank you ma'am". No we're not looking for relationships or girlfriends....that's why we're here. But that doesn't mean we don't care about the woman getting pleasure out of being with us. At least in my case, I like to feel that I did everything possible to show her a good time. If we're not both enjoying ourselves, then the whole experience is ruined for me and I just leave feeling like, pardon the term, a pity fuck. No one likes to feel that way. A mutually pleasurable experience is much more satisfying in every way.

[datyaddict 2174]

That may be true for some guys, but not for all. And certainly not for the smart ones, I think. It seems to me that a lady who's having fun herself is more likely to want to make sure that I'm also having a good time, if only to make sure I come back in the future.

 

I totally agree. (And I'm a bit disappointed and pissed off at IslandIndependent's clients for making her feel the way she does).

 

If most guys just wanted a warm wet hole, I think that would be reflected in the advertising... If the demand was so great, you wouldn't see "GFE-DFK-DATY" in just about every escort ad... You'd see a lot more "WWH-STFU-GTFO 10/20/30 min appointments available" ;)

 

Me, I like a ratio of about:

0.75% Wham

0.25% Bam

99% Thank you, ma'am.

 

I can't speak for all, but the creepiest, most disappointing and unsexy encounters I've ever had with SPs were when they just ... lay there. Y'know? In fact, it's the thought of treating women like IslandIndependent's clients seem to treat her that kept me afraid of this industry for years.

[john12345 100]

This is the best thread I have every read

[bcguy42 38594]

I read this thread early on, found it interesting, thought Berlin raised some very valid issues. I saw it pop up again and wondered what had brought it back so went to pick up where I left off.

 

IslandIndependent's post really shook me. My first thought was along the lines of what the hell is her issue that she views the Provider - Provided relationship this way. Then I decided perhaps she's arrived at this view based on her experiences with clients and or partners. Reality is, of course, what we perceive it to be.

 

So yes, since I know there are men who would see nothing wrong with rolling over a passed-out drunk woman for a quick poke, I can deduce there are men who treat their SPs the way she describes. Knowing what I know about people, I would not be surprised to discover some nice guys I know are actually that way in private.

 

Bringing this full circle back to "How To Have Sex With Escorts: A Primer", I would advise anyone new to this community that if this describes your desire, please, be very clear with your prospective SP. If she chooses to see you and handles this variety of style, go for it. Be aware that none of the SPs I've had contact with seem likely to be comfortable with this.

 

Personally, I'm looking for more than just self-gratification in my encounters. Poetically, because I care about the other person in the room and want her to enjoy herself, too. Prosaically, there need to be more than just getting me off or we're going to have a lot of spare time to kill. Cards, anyone?

[SamanthaEvans 166766]

Ok seriously men are paying to have sex with you its not about us they just want to get off, if you are looking for romance and for you to be pleased then maybe you need to get a boyfriend. If a man is paying for an hr or whatever its up to him what he wants to do and its your job to let him do what he wants and for you to do what he wants to do and if he just wants to fuck and leave well he paid for it. I really dont get why he should worry about what you want because to most men you are just something they use to obtain a goal. And i know some men will pay so they can get right down to what they want otherwise they wouldnt come to an escort they would do their wives,gf's or go to a bar and pick up.

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I don't think I've read a sadder public post by another paid companion. What you've written here, IslandIndependent, honestly breaks my heart. If this has been your experience in our industry, I can only say that it hasn't been mine, for the most part. I want better for you.

 

I agree that there are plenty of men who pay for the opportunity to get right down to what they want without having to go through a lot of preliminaries. Long ago, I used to have a lot of these meetings. The transactions were simple and clear. Feeling like I was only something to pound was rare, for me, but it happened sometimes.

 

After awhile, I realized that I'm not submissive enough to just lie there and take it, or simply to follow directions compliantly. I don't need romance, but feeling bored isn't good for me, either.

 

I decided to change things. I took a good look at what I know about myself, what my strengths and limitations are, what interests me, how I most enjoy relating to other people, how I want to be seen and understood, what I most appreciate about men, what I enjoy in bed and out of it, what I know about my own body's workings and what I know about men's bodies, too. From all of that, I recognized that I could offer a very fine, complete and rewarding experience to anyone with whom I chose to spend my time. I was right about it and I've never looked back.

 

I welcome clients who want to spend some time with not just any woman, but with me. They've usually gone to the effort of getting to know something about me, whether by reading my website or reading what I've written in other places before they contact me. They try to present themselves as people I might be interested in meeting. We take it from there. A few e-mail exchanges, one or two phone conversations, then we meet, having recognized that we each think we'll enjoy spending a few hours together. If this will be the only time we'll ever meet, it will at least be worthwhile. And yeah, sure, we'll have sex, too.

 

I've found that, almost without exception, men who will take a bit of time before the meeting will be concerned about what I want, too. They want the encounter to be good for me. I want the same for them. If they had specific things they wanted to do or to try, they will have told me about that at some point and I will have said whether I'm interested in or comfortable with those things. If the mood and energy is right, they will probably happen. If it's not right, they won't, but there won't be any hard feelings, either, because we will have made the decision together.

 

In the end, I don't feel used, degraded or ignored. I trust that my client will feel admired, appreciated and enjoyed. Time well spent!

 

This longer dance of seductive engagement is not for everyone. But if it's what you want, you can be sure that there are plenty of good men who want it, too. They will treat you well and appreciate you.

 

The last thing I want to say is that if you're feeling detached from what you're doing or what is being done to you; if you feel like you're not really there when that's where you are; if you don't believe you have choices and the right to say what you do and don't want to do; if you don't think that your preferences are important or would be respected.... please stop. Don't sacrifice your spirit for the sake of what your body can earn.

 

The sex trade is not right for most women. If it feels like it's not right for you, listen to that voice. If you need help to leave, help is available: PM or e-mail me.

[bucky501 923]

Perhaps I`m a little strange; I actually ask the woman the kinds of things she likes; if this isn`t mutually enjoyable then why bother? There are some SPs I just have not returned to because of that; sometimes there is no chemistry and that is cool. But the ones I do see it is because there is great chemistry and the sex or love-making is quite special!!!

[roamingguy 300291]

Ok seriously men are paying to have sex with you its not about us they just want to get off, if you are looking for romance and for you to be pleased then maybe you need to get a boyfriend. If a man is paying for an hr or whatever its up to him what he wants to do and its your job to let him do what he wants and for you to do what he wants to do and if he just wants to fuck and leave well he paid for it. I really dont get why he should worry about what you want because to most men you are just something they use to obtain a goal. And i know some men will pay so they can get right down to what they want otherwise they wouldnt come to an escort they would do their wives,gf's or go to a bar and pick up.

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First off, IslandIndependant, apologies for my earlier response. Seriously I don't function well without a morning pot of coffee, and should have waited till I got home from work before replying

I read the lines starting with "If a man is paying..." and honestly, it sounds, even now more like some guys who have made posts that are disrespectful towards SP's

For me, and I'm sure for a lot of the gentlemen here, seeing a escort is more than just about sex. Yes, most definitely, sex is part of the encounter, but not the whole encounter. I like the entireity of the encounter, the initial meeting, conversation, sex, kissing/cuddling

Another way to put it, I like encounters of two to three hours. I'm fifty years old...do you really believe I have two to three hours sexual stamina at my age?...no, I like the company of women for more than just sex.

I don't know whether you have such a narrow shallow view of escorting because it was your mindset before entering the profession, or you have only met guys as clients who view you solely as a means for their sexual gratification. But it should be mutually beneficial. And that, for me doesn't mean money for sex. It means money to compensate for the lady's time, with the benefit of no relationship complications. What happens during the time can be mutually enjoyable and pleasurable.

Seeing ladies shouldn't be a zero sum game...that whatever the gentleman gains is at the lady's loss

Some coffee laden thoughts

RG

[IslandIndependent 521]

I know that the encounter is so much more then just sex, it just seemed to me that the previous couple posts the escorts were complaining because the guys just wanted to have sex and give it to the girl, my point was that we provide a service and if thats what the guy wants thats what he is paying for so thats what he should be able to get. I just was kind of annoyed that escorts were complaining. It turns me on when my client is getting what he wants and is enjoying himself and if that means he wants me on my back and wants to pound me for an hr the last thing i would do is complain.

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[EmilyRushton 253346]

I know that the encounter is so much more then just sex, it just seemed to me that the previous couple posts the escorts were complaining because the guys just wanted to have sex and give it to the girl, my point was that we provide a service and if thats what the guy wants thats what he is paying for so thats what he should be able to get. I just was kind of annoyed that escorts were complaining. It turns me on when my client is getting what he wants and is enjoying himself and if that means he wants me on my back and wants to pound me for an hr the last thing i would do is complain.

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There are escorts and there are companions - just like there are amazing clients and not so wonderful ones. there is something for everyone, but it is about finding what you are looking for. Not everyone is seeking a slam..bam..thank you maam...There is way more to this business than just sex....A lady has every right to voice her opinion when she offers so much more than sex....I am very sorry that you feel that it is a lady's job to just lay on her back and take it.....

[LeeRichards 177238]

I know that the encounter is so much more then just sex, it just seemed to me that the previous couple posts the escorts were complaining because the guys just wanted to have sex and give it to the girl, my point was that we provide a service and if thats what the guy wants thats what he is paying for so thats what he should be able to get. I just was kind of annoyed that escorts were complaining. It turns me on when my client is getting what he wants and is enjoying himself and if that means he wants me on my back and wants to pound me for an hr the last thing i would do is complain.

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This has been well covered so I will keep this short. I have had many a conversation in my adult years with my grandfather who spent his entire military career in Europe during WWI. He was single, whether that actually mattered, but regardless he always told me it was for "companionship" more than the sex. To talk to and touch a lady and relax and unwind and .....yes have sex, but have fun and laugh. He became friends with one and saw her every time he had a chance, which was rare. There where the ones indeed that wanted to get their rocks off but in his experience it was about the companionship and closeness for him and the majority of what he saw. I realize this was war time but really.....I don't think things have changed that much since then.

 

My opinion only.....It always has been about the combination of companionship and sex, and fun ! This all can lead to sooo many wonderful and amazing experiences. In my case laying on your back for an hour doesn't work. But Hey....thats just me :)

[Guest **cely***r***ne]

In my opinion, just laying on your back and taking it sounds so sad my darling islandindependant. If this is how you feel, you are missing out on alot in this profession. If I am out of line with this statement, I am then sorry for taking it the wrong way....

 

For me, the days or weeks leading up to an encounter are the most fun. The conversations, the anticipation and learning about one another is totally what makes the encounter special. If there was no prior communication, wouldnt the date then be boring? I like to converse with gentlemen to build a chemistry so the date means something to the both of us.

 

I made a prior post in this thread stating that we are not pleasure-bots, rather we are women in the sex industry. IMO as ladies, our emotions are of course involved with the sex aspect. If there is no chemistry the sex is then not as fun as it could be..at least for me....But how can we build chemistry without building a "relationship" first with our gentlemen friends?

[roamingguy 300291]

I know that the encounter is so much more then just sex, it just seemed to me that the previous couple posts the escorts were complaining because the guys just wanted to have sex and give it to the girl, my point was that we provide a service and if thats what the guy wants thats what he is paying for so thats what he should be able to get. I just was kind of annoyed that escorts were complaining. It turns me on when my client is getting what he wants and is enjoying himself and if that means he wants me on my back and wants to pound me for an hr the last thing i would do is complain.

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Honestly, I hope your experiences aren't as you are describing, laying on your back and pounded for an hour.

Whether in a relationship, or as a SP, you, as all ladies do, deserve to be treated like ladies. You aren't a piece of meat for someone's sexual gratification. No matter that you are getting paid doesn't mean you have to take whatever he gives, the money is for your time.

Not trying to sound condescending, but your view leaves me somewhat sad. I really hope you have clients who treat you with respect, because you deserve to be treated with respect.

Really don't know what else to say

RG

[Gabriella Laurence 301887]

Well since I pressed the wrong key by mistake and didn't finish writing my note before it got posted, I will say it here:

 

ALL ladies deserve to be treated like ladies and not like a raw piece of meat

even if they receive a compensation for their time! In the end, it's all comes down to mutual respect!

 

Thanks RG :)

[VedaSloan 119179]

I know that the encounter is so much more then just sex, it just seemed to me that the previous couple posts the escorts were complaining because the guys just wanted to have sex and give it to the girl, my point was that we provide a service and if thats what the guy wants thats what he is paying for so thats what he should be able to get. I just was kind of annoyed that escorts were complaining. It turns me on when my client is getting what he wants and is enjoying himself and if that means he wants me on my back and wants to pound me for an hr the last thing i would do is complain.

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There is having sex, which is one thing, and being pounded for an hour--which is something totally different. Sadly, the latter is not a fun experience for anyone but the guy and frankly, I'm not a blow-up doll. If that's all you want, please just wank off. We are human beings and just because you are paying for my services doesn't mean you get to do whatever you want. I offer the services I am comfortable offering, and I do not view full service or sex as simply being pounded. As I said in my original post, I am aware that you are paying for a service, but you must remember that you will be satisfied within the boundaries of the service provider. Paying gets you in the door, what the two of you get up to is still largely determined by the provider. So let's not forget that.

[voyageur819 213]

I like this primer, good sexual education, thanks Berlin..

 

I know I'm kate to the party but that's what sticky threads are for :)

[Guest d****s]

Treat me like a payday, don't engage me mentally, sit in a another seat clothed and chat away 25% of the date without letting me get a word in edgewise when I just came out of your shower and naked. Follow a "scripted" set of activities, without bothering to ask what I like. Not paying any attention to my sounds or body language to try and figure out if I'm liking what you're doing. Not responding to anything I try without giving any helpful hints.

 

Sorry do a number of those things and you're going to end up my blow up doll. Really it's no fun for me either, but providers like that make it painfully obvious that if I want some pleasure I've gotta take care of it myself however I can.

 

Having said that, make no mistake I am there for me. You are not my girlfriend, you are a paid professional. I grew tired of always having to be the one doing the impressing when getting a civilian into bed. Now I will pay you, and you will wow me. If it shows that is how you operate I will show my appreciation in kind. If you make me laugh, make me lightheaded, rock my world, and even make me swoon a little while I'm there; I will go out of my way for you to get some enjoyment out of our time together.

 

So always keep in mind that this is a business relationship and I'm the client; me first, then you.

[Athos 108589]

Treat me like a payday, don't engage me mentally, sit in a another seat clothed and chat away 25% of the date without letting me get a word in edgewise when I just came out of your shower and naked. Follow a "scripted" set of activities, without bothering to ask what I like. Not paying any attention to my sounds or body language to try and figure out if I'm liking what you're doing. Not responding to anything I try without giving any helpful hints.

 

Sorry do a number of those things and you're going to end up my blow up doll. Really it's no fun for me either, but providers like that make it painfully obvious that if I want some pleasure I've gotta take care of it myself however I can.

 

Having said that, make no mistake I am there for me. You are not my girlfriend, you are a paid professional. I grew tired of always having to be the one doing the impressing when getting a civilian into bed. Now I will pay you, and you will wow me. If it shows that is how you operate I will show my appreciation in kind. If you make me laugh, make me lightheaded, rock my world, and even make me swoon a little while I'm there; I will go out of my way for you to get some enjoyment out of our time together.

 

So always keep in mind that this is a business relationship and I'm the client; me first, then you.

 

In over 15 years of hobbying I have only had one or two sessions like what you describe, and of course I didn't repeat. But then again my attitude is somewhat different. While yes, it is a business relationship, and I am the client, it is a business relationship like no other, in that it is based on physical connection and intimacy (or at least it is for me). That's what I'm paying for. The intimacy that goes along with great sex. Any business relationship ... Any professional business relationship (cause this isn't like popping out to the corner store to pick up potato chips) -- has to be based on a set of reciprocal relationships. This is especially true in this biz. If I want intimacy and a GFE then I have to provide some as well. The great thing about this is that no matter how unimpressive I may actually be, I know that a very hot lady is going to give me the fantasy of being impressed and wanting me as much as I want her. now that is a good deal.

 

over the years I now hobby with an increasingly small group of women. With my ATF, when we get together, it is professional, yet also has all the excitement, intimacy, and genuine passion of long time lovers. We are friends, sexual partners, and I pay her. Perfection.

 

Porthos

[Guest d****s]

over the years I now hobby with an increasingly small group of women. With my ATF, when we get together, it is professional, yet also has all the excitement, intimacy, and genuine passion of long time lovers. We are friends, sexual partners, and I pay her. Perfection.

 

Porthos

 

That is very much the point.

 

Don't confuse what I say as entirely selfish. It's simply I no longer wish to feel obligated to initiate arousal, tone, atmosphere and have to tailor it to my partner. Now, since I'm quite open in my emails about my personality, if that's done for me by her you can bet I'll want to do all the things mentioned previously (let's be honest somebody elses body is one great playground).

 

In a short time I've manage to find a couple that understand client first and I treat them as best I can. Also found one that did all the wrong things.

 

The business relationship like no other I don't buy. I'd have way more difficulty talking to a shrink than being physically intimate with a stranger.

[Chanel Reign 28097]

Treat me like a payday, don't engage me mentally, sit in a another seat clothed and chat away 25% of the date without letting me get a word in edgewise when I just came out of your shower and naked. Follow a "scripted" set of activities, without bothering to ask what I like. Not paying any attention to my sounds or body language to try and figure out if I'm liking what you're doing. Not responding to anything I try without giving any helpful hints.

 

Sorry do a number of those things and you're going to end up my blow up doll. Really it's no fun for me either, but providers like that make it painfully obvious that if I want some pleasure I've gotta take care of it myself however I can.

 

Having said that, make no mistake I am there for me. You are not my girlfriend, you are a paid professional. I grew tired of always having to be the one doing the impressing when getting a civilian into bed. Now I will pay you, and you will wow me. If it shows that is how you operate I will show my appreciation in kind. If you make me laugh, make me lightheaded, rock my world, and even make me swoon a little while I'm there; I will go out of my way for you to get some enjoyment out of our time together.

 

So always keep in mind that this is a business relationship and I'm the client; me first, then you.

 

While I agree with you; that it's "me" first, you are voicing one opinion of what is perfection for you.

 

I have some playpartners that, all they want to do is make me orgasm over and over and then we finish with a bang.

 

I have others and all they want to do is be pleasured and pampered. And again everyone orgasms.

 

And most want some chit chat and a wee bit of social interaction before running over to the bed ripping clothes off on the way.

 

2 different types of Clients, both good.

 

But, in the end we are all people and should be treated with respect. Please correct me in reading your post wrong and assuming that you view SP's with less than that.

 

I am not picking a fight, nor an argument. I am simply looking for clarification.

 

Thank you

[Guest d****s]

While I agree with you; that it's "me" first, you are voicing one opinion of what is perfection for you.

 

I have some playpartners that, all they want to do is make me orgasm over and over and then we finish with a bang.

 

I have others and all they want to do is be pleasured and pampered. And again everyone orgasms.

 

And most want some chit chat and a wee bit of social interaction before running over to the bed ripping clothes off on the way.

 

2 different types of Clients, both good.

 

But, in the end we are all people and should be treated with respect. Please correct me in reading your post wrong and assuming that you view SP's with less than that.

 

I am not picking a fight, nor an argument. I am simply looking for clarification.

 

Thank you

 

Treat me well and I will treat you well is the core of what I'm saying. Its simply since this is a transaction (regardless of of uniqueness) prove that I'll be to focal point first (I haven't stated what that entails, but don't jump to the assumption I'm alluding to op's complaint, as I actually don't find that sort of encounter amusing either - it was some other posts which I did not agree with)

 

*my apologies. Cerb (being a reco board) is unlike the board I'm used to (review board), it has me a little prickly as I acclimatize as I don't see as much as the honesty I'm accustom to seeing (and no I don't mean negativity)*

[Kate von Katz 49953]

Treat me well and I will treat you well is the core of what I'm saying.

 

 

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt that maybe you meant it better than it came out, but phrases like that are a red flag. It tells me that you have assigned yourself a position of self-assumed authority/power over another, deeming them worthy of kindness only after they have earned it.

 

The other board may be more honest as you say, but there's this funny little thing about human psychology: we love to jump on bandwagons. Especially bandwagons where we can do bad things with no consequence. Which is why the other board has so much negativity - which sadly is sometimes unfounded, exaggerated or just plain bias. I don't see how that is honest.

 

As an SP, I can only speak for myself and my own methods, but in my reality, people deserve respect, courtesy and politeness from the start, without having to earn it.

 

I don't sit back and watch them try to please me with phrases like "treat me well and I'll treat you well". That's a bribe, plain and simple. And frankly it's distasteful.

[Guest W***ledi*Time]

On the average, there are few things in life that generate as great (and as easy) a payback as simply approaching situations with a positive attitude!

 

Conveniently, this payback seems to simultaneously benefit both oneself and others.

[Guest d****s]

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt that maybe you meant it better than it came out, but phrases like that are a red flag. It tells me that you have assigned yourself a position of self-assumed authority/power over another, deeming them worthy of kindness only after they have earned it.

 

The other board may be more honest as you say, but there's this funny little thing about human psychology: we love to jump on bandwagons. Especially bandwagons where we can do bad things with no consequence. Which is why the other board has so much negativity - which sadly is sometimes unfounded, exaggerated or just plain bias. I don't see how that is honest.

 

As an SP, I can only speak for myself and my own methods, but in my reality, people deserve respect, courtesy and politeness from the start, without having to earn it.

 

I don't sit back and watch them try to please me with phrases like "treat me well and I'll treat you well". That's a bribe, plain and simple. And frankly it's distasteful.

 

Treat me right and I'll treat you right. Does that give you a better understanding? It is odd that you mention authority over another. Nearly everyone understands where the authority resides in a client-provider relationship. Nor am I bitter over the fact. As I mentioned being obligated to please someone else most times grew old. I gladly turn over the control, and frankly enjoy the role reversal (that's right treat me like the woman).

 

You might call me passive aggressive but that involves a rather large assumption that treating me right (this probably a better word than well) involves a very large song and dance. Met someone once and was asked what I wanted to do. Said I've been working for 14 days and had to tell people what to do the entire time, I want to not have to make decisions. A smile and "I understand"; there we have it, I'm taken care of. Another instance I thought I might like to try something, a few messages back and forth before the date, response wasn't enthusiast, I'm no longer comfortable with the idea, it comes off the table, and nobody has to feel awkward during the actual encounter. My needs were met before we even said hello face to face.

 

What is one of the major etiquette issues mentioned on every web page I've ever seen? Have/leave your donation in an envolope in plain sight at the beginning. Any small bit of authority the client had is as a paying customer, once he pays the only authority he has is what you allow him to have (see above if you believe I'm resentful of that fact). So your primary goal of income is satiated within a minute or two of the encounter. My primary goal is a good time (what that entails I've never said, do not assume), you've been assured your primary goal, can you assure mine? So we can move on to each others secondary goals which are you getting some enjoyment and me giving some (everyone knows great sex takes two). Is this too much too ask?

 

Bandwagons. Yes another interesting point. I've read 10 pages of people for the most part simply agreeing with one another with the odd post taking a differing view but remains largely ignored. Until someone decided to be overly blunt about it. Let me ask you, if op's complaint was say client wanted nothing but foreplay and caressing/massaging on him for the hour with nothing for her (keep in mind my complaint is not with the op, I agree, it's with many responses I believe just a few posts in a provider came in with what amounts to "me me me") there would be alot more replies differently as that instance doesn't involve physical discomfort and well potentially flat out pain. So yes bandwagons travel two way streets. Opposing views for the sake of discussion are important.

 

As for reviews vs recos. A neg review is worth it's weight in gold, pos reviews are a grain of salt and I ignore them (ymmv and the reviewer could have different tastes than mine). There are plenty of negative reviews which are fair and honest. Having had a bad session it really is a bummer (and I do mean beyond simply we didn't click - I actually do fairly well in person as I am quite a happy guy that loves to play a clown for an audience, it's just I as well love some back and forth debate)

 

Addition

Please don't assume. Assuming that me treating someone well means giving them the basic respect every human being deserves is false (sad day in the world that people having the right to basic dignity isnt a given) By treating someone well I mean doing things for them so as they can enjoy themselves as well.

[Kate von Katz 49953]

I don't really wish to address any of your points. I don't like the way you come across. I'm sure others will discuss their opinions with you.

[Guest d****s]

No I'm not expressing my thoughts properly at all. Appreciate the honesty though.