Class and subtlety

[Ann Gallerie 7910]

Someone just sent me an email. All it said was, "menu/rates"

 

......so I sent a link to PizzaPizza.

[Guest Be***iful****lah]

Someone just sent me an email. All it said was, "menu/rates"

 

......so I sent a link to PizzaPizza.

 

You're the COOLEST.PERSON.EVER. Lol

[Ice4fun 78396]

Someone just sent me an email. All it said was, "menu/rates"

 

......so I sent a link to PizzaPizza.

 

That is just way to funny....problem is some poor girl at pizza pizza is getting asked for the GFE Pizza with BBBJ.... lolol

[Luckyme 41401]

That is just way to funny....problem is some poor girl at pizza pizza is getting asked for the GFE Pizza with BBBJ.... lolol

 

I am thinking some poor guy at Pizza Pizza is going to be asked how much is Greek, and how much is BBBJ....lol.

[kerrixoxo 33719]

I think this thread illuminates the diversity that is present here in this community. For me, personally, I think it comes from both experience and personal preference. Some providers do advertise a little more explicitly and that's their decision to do so--it works for them and they prefer to advertise in that manner. I prefer not to do so. When I first started advertising, I kept advertising as a student. Yet, once I realized that every other girl was almost doing the same thing even if they weren't a student (lol), I decided to change how I advertised (save for the few obvious jersey pictures lol). This didn't happen because I wanted to be seen in a certain light. I did so because I wanted to be personalize my brand. For some girls, being explicit, that's their "thing." Others, not so much.

[MightyPen 67414]

Then, again, you have bluntly graphic ads and language from customers that doesn't seem to match the romantic persona everyone superficially tries to affect.

Well, it's not "everyone" though, that just happens to be the most commonly and publicly discussed form of the SP/client relationship here. There are all kinds of folks here, seeking all kinds of services in all kinds of contexts. Some of those clients lurk rather than post; and some just don't advertise that aspect of their interests.

 

I'm cool if SPs have a voice they can use to call out to that segment of the market, as long as it's within the board's rules. It lets them, and the clients seeking what they're offering, find each other. And that's one of the key functions of the board.

 

My own reaction to the blunter ads varies. Sometimes amusement, sometimes a head shake, sometimes interest if that's the kind of thing I'm in the mood for.

 

...some phrase their discernment as connoisseurs of women in terms of "I know my pussy!"

Yeah, that language can be ugly coming from clients. But you know what's good about that? The guy's just given away the key to his nature to the whole world, for free. Once you see a guy write that, you've got the measure of him and you know you can dump him from your circle.

 

Sometimes the best thing is to leave people enough rope to hang themselves.

[Guest ***t***iv***]

I do find some of the explicit stuff personally unnerving, so I try not to focus on it. I wouldn't read a book that I didn't like. This place is no different.

 

It's also confusing (for me) because we represent ourselves as escorts who exchange our time for money, not sex for money. yes, the distinctions are really only thin veils, I can't contest that, but still, the shroud of mystery is one that I like to cling to. I rely on the guise the industry provides to keep my business successful and discreet.

 

I don't have deniability either, if I advertise explicitly. How could I say that I only exchange time for money (were anyone to ever ask) if I say that I offer GFE, etc? I hail from a small city, too. So I don't even list menu items. I find it helps me attract the clients I want, because they want the same things that they see.

 

the biggest part of why I don't advertise in explicit terms, is because I really am not an X-rated provider. (I too, bow down to the 'stars' of the show; those with the confidence to provide the services I don't have the guts to) I just can't be someone I am not. Sure, I hide my identity to remain anonymous in this judgmental, critical society we call home. But, once you are with me, I can only be me. So, I write 'romantically', as one poster sweetly referred to the style. Because then, that is what you will expect when you see me, there are rarely any misunderstandings due to the way that I advertise.

 

I can't tell you how many times that I have encountered a gentleman who was hoping for a different type of encounter than I am able to provide. Thankfully, that doesn't happen often here! This is the place where I can advertise the service I provide, in the way I provide it. They match! And I can tie my ads and my photos in with the way I provide my service, which is really, really great. Despite the possible confusion or exposure, I think it's only sensible for ladies to advertise their services the way they provide their services, be they X rated or not.

 

 

sidenote:

 

Kerri,

I love your sexy student shot! It is very eye catching to say the least: I definitely checked you out ;)

[CristyCurves 169032]

I'm sure I'm not the only one that from day to day and even hour to hour can change my moods, desires and goals. I may start out the day in a buttoned up shirt and in a laid back attitude, being quiet and demure. Then later on I might want to turn it up a notch, feeling frisky and horny so I'll come here and verse those feelings openly if I want to attract someone in the same mood or just because I can. That's one of the nice things about cerb, our sexual lingo isn't censored we're free to express ourselves as we see fit.

I think it would be a mistake for anyone to judge a person just because of their lingo on a sex site. People are complicated and layered and I think it is a beautiful thing to be as expressive as you feel. Explicit to risqué to demure and prim it's all allowed and enjoyable so long as there is some creativity involved, imo Crude doesn't =classless nor does posting pretty words=class:)

[Ann Gallerie 7910]

Nahhhh - the Pizza Pizza link is fully automated. Don't get your stay ups in a knot!

 

Believe it or not I got another one quite similar, but unfortunately Timmy's does not deliver! :icon_razz:

 

Let's hope for a hat trick, and steer them into Happy Meals!

[scribbles 6031]

I've heard several people refer to "judgment," and just want to clarify that I am in no way trying to judge anyone. As many have expressed, I don't read what doesn't interest me, for the most part, so if someone feels the need to post a highly explicit ad, fill your boots!

 

I think why I brought up this subject was because it seems more prevalent now than a couple years ago to see explicit ads, so I am curious as to why there has been a shift in paradigms. Also, I have noticed a bit of an increase in rougher language used by clients when discussing the women or their visits with them. So, again as another has alluded, the question is whether the explicit ads have similarly attracted or brought about a change in clients. Chicken, or egg?

 

Again, I'm not judging. To each their own. I just find, as a recent poster put it, that we predominantly want this "hobby" represented as time for money, and the language that is being used more frequently makes it hard for the abolitionist "holes to fill" propaganda to be discredited. There's nothing here being done against CERB rules, but maybe that isn't the point?

[Luckyme 41401]

I think why I brought up this subject was because it seems more prevalent now than a couple years ago to see explicit ads, so I am curious as to why there has been a shift in paradigms. Also, I have noticed a bit of an increase in rougher language used by clients when discussing the women or their visits with them. So, again as another has alluded, the question is whether the explicit ads have similarly attracted or brought about a change in clients. Chicken, or egg?

 

Again, I'm not judging. To each their own. I just find, as a recent poster put it, that we predominantly want this "hobby" represented as time for money, and the language that is being used more frequently makes it hard for the abolitionist "holes to fill" propaganda to be discredited. There's nothing here being done against CERB rules, but maybe that isn't the point?

 

I must say that I too have noticed an increase in more explicit ads. recently. But I feel that if the ladies find it beneficial to put such types of ads., so be it. That's their livelihoods, who am I to judge?

 

Like you, I've also noticed an increase in the use of explicit language by some clients. They border on hard-core with blow by blow descriptions. I really don't understand why this is necessary either. But if these are allowed, so be it. I just skim over these posts if I find them not to my taste.

[Gabriella Laurence 301887]

First, let me say that everyboby can run their business as they see fit; each lady can represent themselves in the way she chooses and do what works for her.

 

On the other hand, this might not be a popular opinion and has the potential to offend some (not my intention) and I will try to do my best to explain my feelings in the most eloquent way posssible--in English; I do feel like these types of very explicit ads only add to the stigma and many stereotypes this industry (and the ladies themselves) have to face on a day-to-day basis and does nothing to cast a positve light on SPs and simply reinforces what is already perceived as a negative.

 

Take this with a grain of salt because this is just MY opinion and I'll say it again, to each their own.

[Jack2000 3446]

Well, it appears I've ruffled some feathers with my assertion that "I know my stuff"

 

Apologies to all , I'll tone it down a notch , and to the haters; Don't worry, be Happy ! ;)

 

[Guest **sh****he***ac***th]

Although I have only been here for a brief period, I am neither offended nor disturbed by more colourful language by some ladies' ads, however I am more drawn to ads that include tasteful language with a splash of innuendo. I also enjoy humour and a light hearted approach. That's just me and I pass no judgements on any of this nor have I read anything other than the original post. Many ladies in the websites insist on no vulgar language on the part of men responding to their ads etc. so I fail to see the need for anything overly descriptive on the part of anyone. But to each their own I guess.

[CristyCurves 169032]

 

On the other hand, this might not be a popular opinion and has the potential to offend some (not my intention) and I will try to do my best to explain my feelings in the most eloquent way posssible--in English; I do feel like these types of very explicit ads only add to the stigma and many stereotypes this industry (and the ladies themselves) have to face on a day-to-day basis and does nothing to cast a positve light on SPs and simply reinforces what is already perceived as a negative.

 

Take this with a grain of salt because this is just MY opinion and I'll say it again, to each their own.[/QUOTE]

 

You maybe right, who knows? But this type of thinking imo is naïve . Those who look at us in a bad light are not going to be any more respectful or swayed if we all start walking around in flat shoes, with skirts below our knees and no makeup, any more than they will be by reading more conservative, eloquently worded advertising. Those who dislike us and this business, and set stereotypes do so regardless. They see this business as a negative because we are women and men who share our bodies and time with coupled men and women and they see that as morally wrong. Now perhaps an overly made up crude talking woman/girl may cement their thought and image of the whole business but cleaning up our language and priming an outfit doesn't change the fact that we have slept with someone's spouse/so, etc, that's the "no no". How, when and where we do it means nothing to them, it's the fact that we do it at all that bothers them. What does shine a bad light imo, and I'm guilty of doing it myself, in others aspects of this business, is passing judgement, and making assumptions amongst ourselves. We all need to be more supportive of one another concerning one another's methods of advertising, services offered and rates. There is a place and a need/market for all types of providers, advertising and rates/services. As you said to each their own and to own is their right:) but when we all say this we need to start meaning it:)

[olderguy 5797]

Interesting thread. I've been here for a few years and I honestly don't think the forum has become more vulgar or coarse. As for one's use of colorful language, I can assure you it doesn't represent any single one group of people, or profession, or gender or age group in our society. And I think we often change our level of vulgarity depending on who we are conversing with. My language may very well deteriorate when I'm talking to a male friend while watching a sporting event and having a drink. I would use very different language when speaking to my daughter. I pride myself on being a gentleman when speaking to a lady, but in the heat of passion I might use language that would not be suitable here, but might very well be acceptable when and how it is used. As for the advertising herein, I'd strongly suggest that the more "colorful" ads get more attention. That's just how advertising works - anywhere.

[Elle Diablo 1345]

During my 20 years (or so) in this business I've seen a serious increase in vulgarity and a major decrease in sensitivity both in advertising and support and unity (amongst the ladies).

 

When advertising was in newspapers and phone books there were guidelines to what could and could not be posted, I'd assume it's because the companies had a say over the end result because they had an image to uphold. ANY kind of nudity was a NO-NO, describing ANY kind of sexual services (especially for money) was a NO-NO. A girl had to get very creative to catch the eye of a passing gent. Then something happened - maybe it was the internet, maybe it was looser social morals, maybe it was a higher tolerance for different strokes - but when that something happened slowly, but surely, harsh and blunt was the word of the day, and considering the majority of people this business attracts do not have a higher than high school education blunt and in-your-face will catch your attention, but does not take much imagination.

 

Also to mention, competition always adds to the mix. The services being offered openly were getting riskier ... I remember when I worked with a group of girls "what you do in the room stays in the room" - the key to everything was discretion. And so girls had to make a very big decision are they going to go along with what "she is doing because he says well she does it" and take a chance of not making that money or is she going to have to lower her standards to keep with the changes?

 

I am a firm believer of "to each their own" and "live and let live" and all those other little diddies that are the tune of the day, but let's keep it real too. When money and sex are involved in business people will get vulgar in order to get over on others and vulgar is as vulgar does.

[Guest Miss Jane TG]

Some people outside this forum might not see any class in what we are doing here to start with! So the question really is where to draw the line. This is a very subjective task and although judgment might not be intended, it is inherently there.

 

Do we want all sex workers to be PHDs, Masters holders? Do we want all sex workers to follow the same theme of advertisement? No only boring but overtly ignorant of nature and its rooted diversity.

 

Then how about clients, would they be matching the same level of proclaimed classiness? Shouldn't they arrive wearing branded suits?

 

Sex workers and clients come in all different shapes, sizes, colors, etc. They come also from different paths of life and ultimately the law of attraction will prevail for the best interest of those engaged in this lifestyle.

[scribbles 6031]

I'm questioning, now, how wise it was of me to use the word "class." For one thing, it implies a level of judgment that isn't fair, and is greater than what is actually exercised. It also seems to bring about defensiveness, and distracts from the main point.

 

There aren't rules against the way ads are being written on this site. There aren't rules forbidding some of the language used to characterize the women, or activities with them, by clients. Naturally, the varied personalities in a group will provide an audience for different kinds of expression, so saying "I said it and it works" is like saying "water is wet." But, if "what works" is the dominant factor, a lot of other governing rules here should be questioned, and I think doing so would make for a worse place to meet and communicate.

 

The point to all of this is to wonder if people are just becoming more callous and superficial (because it works,) and whether the *unspoken* rule that the industry should present and comport itself in a manner that is less likely to shock and confirm stereotypes should, ultimately, be respected.

 

I've read threads where an industry collective, union or council has been discussed to ensure fair pricing and competition. In a world where such a collective could be considered to protect monetary interests, I find it hard to believe we don't all share an interest in cultivating and protecting a public perception of an industry that's already easily maligned and denigrated.

[Ann Gallerie 7910]

I am still new at this. I was testing a number of different venues for effectiveness, including Eros, Slixa, and BP (latter under a different name).

 

A chap called me and chatted for about 20 minutes, having seen my ad on Eros. He then called the next day and chatted some more. He was going to be away in the following week, and then we could get together.

 

Well next week rolls around and he's not only still around, but he demands to know why the BP gal has the same number as me! I mean, he didn't really CARE how I did business; it's just.....

 

It took a moment to register. A total stranger, most likely a timewaster, is telling me MY business! Imagine being creepy enough to match up phone numbers off different sites! Get a life!

 

This is one test with a surprise conclusion.

 

I will not be repeating it!

[Miss Jessica Lee 43328]

During my 20 years (or so) in this business I've seen a serious increase in vulgarity and a major decrease in sensitivity both in advertising and support and unity (amongst the ladies).

 

When advertising was in newspapers and phone books there were guidelines to what could and could not be posted, I'd assume it's because the companies had a say over the end result because they had an image to uphold. ANY kind of nudity was a NO-NO, describing ANY kind of sexual services (especially for money) was a NO-NO.

 

I still use print advertising in some remote cities and those are still the rules. They're very strict, they allow no vulgar language and no website links.

 

When I started in the biz everyone was 'hard core' ... almost every ad claimed the provider was the dirtiest, the wettest, the hottest, the horniest .... so I became sweet petite jessica. Worked like a charm :p