Legality of in-call places

[googlaid 100]

There seems to be some hot girls being reviewed here working at in-call locations (like ALO). I have been to couple of places...Are these places legal? Or the risk of getting caught pant down.

 

Thanks

[whiteman 14028]

The Ontario court ruling specifically dealt with common bawdy house rules (incalls), and living off the avails rules (pimping). Specifically both these rules have been overturned. However, the rulings have been stayed meaning that the laws can still be enforced until the stay expires or is renewed. However, I'd say these laws are in convalescence, no chance that police departments (in Ontario anyways) will waste resources on enforcing these laws.

 

Still, that doesn't mean we can be uncareful about what we say about these places.

[Capital Hunter 18263]

Prostitution is legal in all of Canada, but incalls are technically illegal based on the 1800's Bawdy House law. But it is seldom enforced (unless complains made by neighbors or underage or human trafficking) and there are many trying to repeal the law or modify it more in accordance with European or Australian laws which permit a limited number of prostitutes to share a flat/apartment/home since it provides them protection and keeps them off the streets. I personally don't risk it myself however, I have a very very low threshold when it come sto taking risks in life.

[dreamweaver 178]

ALO is a massage parlour, not an escort incall location. The first is legal, provided prostitution is not going on, the second may run afoul of the law should it be run and owned by a third party.

 

I'm always a little nervous in a rub-n-tug. Just ask Jack Layton!

[CMJ 14869]

Case law and legal precedent has tons of influence on what is important and what isn't. The tests have changed, society has developed the black text in the criminal code.

[Capital Hunter 18263]

but when has a massage parlour in Ottawa ever been subject to bawdy house charge? When has a client ever been charged for being in a bawdy house when going to a massage parlour in Ottawa? It's highly unlikely charges would be laid' date=' and even less likely a client would be charged.[/quote']

 

Not sure if or when charges were laid, however, I remember this one as it is not far from where I live:

 

http://www.xtra.ca/public/Ottawa/Hintonburg_massage_parlour_busted_under_bawdy_house_laws-6897.aspx

 

Here is another I remember reading about:

 

http://ottawa.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20101112/OTT_Massage_Parlour_101112/20101112/?hub=OttawaHome

[Megan'sTouch 23875]

Not sure if or when charges were laid, however, I remember this one as it is not far from where I live:

http://www.xtra.ca/public/Ottawa/Hintonburg_massage_parlour_busted_under_bawdy_house_laws-6897.aspx

 

Here is another I remember reading about:

 

http://ottawa.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20101112/OTT_Massage_Parlour_101112/20101112/?hub=OttawaHome

My understanding was that in the Hintonburg case, it wasn't just massages going on. I should have clarified that in my first post. Yes, I do believe that a massage parlour that offers blow jobs + intercourse could be a reasonable target for bawdy house charges.

 

As for Gatineau, this goes along with my first post. I said that hand jobs could be considered bawdy house but *Ottawa* treats it as a by-law issue. This is not necessarily the case in other cities, which includes the Quebec side. It's a different police force altogether.

[Capital Hunter 18263]

Yes you are correct. Bawdy house law does not extend to a massage parlour where no act of indecency is committed.

[Hornet 71]

So, does it mean that massage parlours where a naked lady gives you hj after a massage are illegal, and it's just matter of whether Ontario wants to deal with it ?

Based on couple of comments above, ladies working im massage parlours are not allowed to be naked, plus hj might be considered an act of indecency.

 

Thanks,

Hornet

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[whiteman 14028]

So, does it mean that massage parlours where a naked lady gives you hj after a massage are illegal, and it's just matter of whether Ontario wants to deal with it ?

Based on couple of comments above, ladies working im massage parlours are not allowed to be naked, plus hj might be considered an act of indecency.

It's all up in the air right now in Ontario. Probably in the rest of the provinces too.

[Phaedrus 209521]

So, does it mean that massage parlours where a naked lady gives you hj after a massage are illegal, and it's just matter of whether Ontario wants to deal with it ?

Based on couple of comments above, ladies working im massage parlours are not allowed to be naked, plus hj might be considered an act of indecency.

 

Well, as Megan said above, this is a bit of a gray area.

 

My understanding is that this sort of thing *could* be taken as a sexual service, if someone really wanted to get picky over it, but... MPs where this occurs in Ottawa are licensed by the city, which is therefore all above board. They're also - presumably - reasonably well known. I'd imagine that if the powers that be really wanted to do anything about them, they'd have done so by now. AFAIK this historically hasn't happened unless FS/BJs were being offered, which is well over the line. But if you go somewhere reputable, that won't be an issue.

 

I suppose it's possible that some uber-zealous puritan could end up in office and decide they wanted to make life difficult for the MPs, but for now this seems unlikely. I suspect they're the legal equivalent of driving at 101 on the highway - nobody cares :)

[whiteman 14028]

My understanding is that this sort of thing *could* be taken as a sexual service, if someone really wanted to get picky over it, but... MPs where this occurs in Ottawa are licensed by the city, which is therefore all above board. They're also - presumably - reasonably well known. I'd imagine that if the powers that be really wanted to do anything about them, they'd have done so by now. AFAIK this historically hasn't happened unless FS/BJs were being offered, which is well over the line. But if you go somewhere reputable, that won't be an issue.

I was told by various girls that the LE doesn't really bother with these places unless there are drugs or underage girls involved. I'm not sure if I absolutely believe this is the only reason that the LE gets involved. I'm sure these places are on their radar long beforehand, and these might be the excuses they use to go in. Especially the underage girls angle is pretty random, they can just go in saying that they heard there were underage girls at some place, and check ID's. Whether or not there were underage girls at the place or not, it would generate a lot of publicity, the place would have to close down for several months, etc.

 

As for FS/BJ, they can never prove something like that. If they barge in and see a naked man getting a massage, there is no way to tell if he's just getting an HJ. During such an sweep everybody inside is pretty much going to stop what they're doing, after hearing the commotion. One possible way this can be proven is if they send an undercover officer in and he gets FS or BJ, which in that case would make it very difficult for the police to explain that away in court.

[caveman 147]

My impression is that if a place is raided by the police, it will often close down, regardless of whether charges stick or not. I think most hobbyists would be pretty shy about visiting a place that has recently been raided, and without customers an MP won't stay afloat.

 

I don't have a lot of data to back that up, but this is the feeling I get from having heard some of the stories from the longer-time hobbyists around here. And isn't that what happened to the Gatineau ALO location?

[whiteman 14028]

My impression is that if a place is raided by the police, it will often close down, regardless of whether charges stick or not. I think most hobbyists would be pretty shy about visiting a place that has recently been raided, and without customers an MP won't stay afloat.

 

I don't have a lot of data to back that up, but this is the feeling I get from having heard some of the stories from the longer-time hobbyists around here. And isn't that what happened to the Gatineau ALO location?

Well, in the case of the Gatineau ALO location, the owner herself seems to have decided not to re-open the place. Now that there was so much publicity about this place, I'm sure her neighbours wouldn't take kindly to her reopening this place.

 

There was a case back in the 90's and early 2000's, which I've talked about in another thread here, "Who do you miss the most?", where a spa named Natural Point got raided not once but multiple times, and it would keep coming back like a phoenix. I think it only ended finally when the owner just got too old to keep fighting it. Usually what they do is they reopen at a different location to avoid recent publicity catching up with them. Eventually they may go back to the location of their last bust once sufficient time has passed to forget about it.