waterrat 1261 Report post Posted July 8, 2011 Apparently this has been started as a means to preserve marriage, the premise being that is wives are good "whores" to their men the men will not visit brothels. Here is the link http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/06/outrage-at-obedient-wives-club-singapore Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Megan'sTouch 23875 Report post Posted July 8, 2011 Women are responsible for the behaviour of men? Excuse my language, but fuck that!! Posted via Mobile Device Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Malika Fantasy 144625 Report post Posted July 8, 2011 is this for real...it's creepy to say the less...I am not judging at all the Islam and actually this have nothing to do with the religion itself, except for the extremists...giving sex won't make their husband more happy...and in theory a women in Islam should always be ready for her husband except when she have her periods and lactating... but this is just plain bullshit and retrograde mentality honestly. Non-consensual sexual act is rape even between couple. Obedience have nothing to do in it...ugh. I feel bad for some women there...if some want to follow this "club" it's their rights.....but ugh 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest tr*****e Report post Posted July 8, 2011 Well... I don't know what else to say except good for the people taking a stance against this abhorrent movement. Hopefully these types of groups represent the last death rattle of hatred towards prostitution. Unfortunately, there will always be someone who will actively oppose the sex trade to further their myopic(love that word) ego/megalo-mania. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roamingguy 300291 Report post Posted July 8, 2011 Women are responsible for the behaviour of men? Excuse my language' date=' but fuck that!!Posted via Mobile Device Meg Don't hold back, tell us how you really feel Seriously, I agree with you 100 percent RG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lexy Grace 103696 Report post Posted July 8, 2011 Women are responsible for the behaviour of men? Excuse my language' date=' but fuck that!!Posted via Mobile Device You took the words right out of my mouth, so i'll say it again fuck that!! For real!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdstar 1065 Report post Posted July 8, 2011 I don't think the premise is all that wrong - if marriages had more sex, they stand a chance of being healthier marriages. I think the name of the club is absolutely brutal and degrading, and that the issue doesn't need to be placed in a religious context, but generally, I think more sex at home would be a good thing for marriages and relationships. I think that its fair to assume that consensual sex is on the menu within a marriage. I'm guessing if most ladies on this board took sex off their menus, they would notice a considerable change in the relationship they share with their clients, so I don't see the big outrage in suggesting that regular sex at home might be a good goal for a couple. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SamanthaEvans 166766 Report post Posted July 8, 2011 Women are responsible for the behaviour of men? Excuse my language' date=' but fuck that!![/quote'] My thoughts exactly! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Megan'sTouch 23875 Report post Posted July 8, 2011 I don't think the premise is all that wrong - if marriages had more sex, they stand a chance of being healthier marriages. I think the name of the club is absolutely brutal and degrading, and that the issue doesn't need to be placed in a religious context, but generally, I think more sex at home would be a good thing for marriages and relationships. I think that its fair to assume that consensual sex is on the menu within a marriage. I'm guessing if most ladies on this board took sex off their menus, they would notice a considerable change in the relationship they share with their clients, so I don't see the big outrage in suggesting that regular sex at home might be a good goal for a couple. I have to disagree with this completely. They are not saying that couples should have more enjoyable sex together. They are saying that women need to put out more to sexually satisfy men. I quote from the article "....how to "keep their spouses happy in the bedroom." So women having fun in the bedroom doesn't matter?? First, I have no problem promoting more sex; I have a huge problem with promoting sex in such a way that promotes male pleasure and disregards female pleasure. Second, it would be great if consensual sex were always available in a marriage, but women and men alike have the right to say no, even in marriage. But not according to this article. The married woman must have sex, even if she doesn't want to. Sex without choice is called rape. I quote "In Islam, if the husband wants sex and the wife is not in the mood, she has to give in to him." Third, since when are women responsible for the behaviours of men? The article states that things such as domestic violence are attributed to "unfulfilled sexual desires." Bullshit! Men are responsible for their own actions, not women. I'd like to see men try and argue "We commit domestic violence due to our wives not putting out." What total bullshit! So yeah, more sex in a marriage is good, but what's with all this sexist bullshit? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JakeB 161 Report post Posted July 8, 2011 I think any man in this country who ever wants to get laid again, had better not support the Obedient Wives Club! *LOL* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdstar 1065 Report post Posted July 8, 2011 [ So yeah, more sex in a marriage is good, but what's with all this sexist bullshit? I agree, that article is very poorly presented, and full of bullshit. It seems anytime religion makes its way into any reasoning, there's always lots of bullshit...(those crazy Muslims!) Just saying...better sex probably makes for a better marriage. (and I have to admit that a lot of a man's pleasure comes from a woman enjoying herself. so I don't know why that gets so over shadowed in this club) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
qwertyaccount 15793 Report post Posted July 8, 2011 ..."In Islam' date=' if the husband wants sex and the wife is not in the mood, she has to give in to him."...[/quote'] That's just messed up! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Malika Fantasy 144625 Report post Posted July 9, 2011 That's just messed up! maybe but sadly it's true by the laws of the Coran Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chavez 641 Report post Posted July 11, 2011 (edited) There is truth in what jdstar says. Sex in a marrage is the glue that holds the marrage together. Violence against women because of poor sex or lack of sex in just wrong as wrong as if it happened the other way. That said good sex is what keeps many of us sane or atleast better people. I know how it upsets a lady to think that she has to provide sex for her husband, even if she doesn't feel like it. We need to reverse the situation. All husbands need to provide sex if their wives want it. Reasonable exceptions like I'm at work right now are allowed but things like I have a golf game planned with the guys in an hour, is no excuse. Get those pants off buddy and to your job. For those times when he is unable or unwillng to provide sex, she should be free to persue that satisfaction elsewhere. Then she can decide how much she needed that sex. Can we live with that? Now can we live with this? It works both ways. If we can , we have 2 sexually satisfied people in a marrage. I believe that will be a stronger marrage. The traditional marrage vows of faithfulness have more to do with who is responsible for the resultant children. Now that we have control of our reproductive lives it is time to update the marrage vows. The vows should be: I will be responsible for her sexual satisfaction and I will he responsible for his sexual satisfaction. Responsibility does not mean that I have to do it, it simply means if I can't or won't, then I won't stand in the way of their satisfaction. The premarital courtship time should be used for among otherthings, judgeing if you are capable of satisfying your prospective partners sexual needs or if you are not willing then you need to be willing to share the responsibility. Never in the history of womankind and mankind have we been so equal in our ability to earn a living and so in controle of our reproductivity. We need to be celebrateing this equality and let go of some of the sexist attitudes we hold on to protect our possition as a man or a woman. Chavez just a side note; Masterbation is just a stop gap.It is like flour and water paste as compared to the glue that hold a marrage together. Edited July 11, 2011 by chavez typos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matt1915 100 Report post Posted July 11, 2011 Wow there is some weird shit in the world. There is no way this is going to stop any men from seeing escorts or gambling. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waterrat 1261 Report post Posted July 11, 2011 I just want to be clear. I posted the link because I think that it is important the people have the ability to express their views, as they have here. It was not posted as a comment on a particular religion and should not be read that way. There are many in other religions who have similarly misguided views. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boomer 33202 Report post Posted July 11, 2011 Well I don't think anyone would disagree that the idea of this club is pretty warped. Although the idea that good sex in a long term relationship is fundamental, the idea that it's the responsibility of the lady to provide is troublesome. It has to be consensual, and the duty of both partners to provide satisfaction for each other. As a widower I deeply regret the times when I didn't rise to the occasion when prompted. It's a matter of reading the signals, having great communications and above all being unselfish. I don't think that Waterrat posted this to promote a belief but for information and comment. He took no stance as to the validity of the club. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
volvolater 657 Report post Posted July 11, 2011 And the guy in the photo attached to the article has 2 wives!! Some have more. If the roles were reversed, how many of us could provide sexual satisfaction to all of our wives/partners/significant others on a consistent basis, before they start looking elsewhere?? Not that we wouldn't love to try!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
