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[Pamela Luscious 199]

Just now, MikeyInHalifax said:

Your arguments are both futile. Do either of you think that you're changing anyone's opinion here? News flash! The answer is no. The most precious resource anyone in this universe has is time. And you've both wasted not only your own, but all of ours. Move. On.

This is my job. I have all day, every day, to be on forums.

If you're willing to show your true colors, I'll gladly help you expose them.

I honestly don’t care if you’re not reading as a client

because it was never meant for you.

[NewGuy_411 23]

This argument alone. Has made me NOT want to ever see Pamela. The constant arguing and insecure need to constantly defend her postion. Which , frankly. I agree with. However,  you two have taken it to another level. Its ridiculous.  I wouldn't book based on this alone. I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way. You two need to stop the constant back and forth. We get it. Your right.  He is wrong... just let it go. You have both said your piece five times over. 

[Pamela Luscious 199]

19 minutes ago, NewGuy_411 said:

This argument alone. Has made me NOT want to ever see Pamela. The constant arguing and insecure need to constantly defend her postion. Which , frankly. I agree with. However,  you two have taken it to another level. Its ridiculous.  I wouldn't book based on this alone. I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way. You two need to stop the constant back and forth. We get it. Your right.  He is wrong... just let it go. You have both said your piece five times over. 

That's totally fine! If a woman standing her ground and supporting women with respect offends you, then I'm clearly not for you. And gladly, if other hobbyists on here can’t handle that either, I’m not for them, too. But do remember, many real men love a woman with a backbone and care for her community.

 

If you think a woman calmly defending her position is 'arguing,' maybe it’s time to ask why my tone bothers you more than the disrespect I’m responding to.

 

I speak up not to please everyone, but because I care. If that makes me ‘too vocal’ for some, I’m okay with that. Swer forums need to set the bar for respect higher, and I’ll always be on the side that pushes it upward.

 

Funny how degrading women gets a pass around here… but the moment one stands up for herself, that’s what people find offensive. Priorities say a lot.

[kewlio 48]

Pretty sad display from some people here. Pamela is such an amazing person, who deserves respect. I for one will always support a strong woman like her. The need for some people to have the final word is pathetic and I’m sure she’s happy that she’s scared you off from booking her in the future

[NewGuy_411 23]

3 hours ago, Pamela Luscious said:

That's totally fine! If a woman standing her ground and supporting women with respect offends you, then I'm clearly not for you. And gladly, if other hobbyists on here can’t handle that either, I’m not for them, too. But do remember, many real men love a woman with a backbone and care for her community.

 

If you think a woman calmly defending her position is 'arguing,' maybe it’s time to ask why my tone bothers you more than the disrespect I’m responding to.

 

I speak up not to please everyone, but because I care. If that makes me ‘too vocal’ for some, I’m okay with that. Swer forums need to set the bar for respect higher, and I’ll always be on the side that pushes it upward.

 

Funny how degrading women gets a pass around here… but the moment one stands up for herself, that’s what people find offensive. Priorities say a lot.

 

As per usual , the common theme of this thread is "  missing the piont " . That logic is obviously to complicated for you to understand. Personally , your backbone and opinion matters not to me. There is sticking up for yourself. And then there is trying  to beat it to death with words. I told you. I agreed with your piont of view.  Your obsession with having to convince someone that you cannot. And will never change there piont of view is inherently a waste of time. The meaning of insanity comes to mind.   I for one ,  won't bother to respond to any other posts you make on this subject . As this matter is of little importance to me.  I will leave it up to the sycophants and beta's to help convince him. 

[Coco1 85]

4 hours ago, NewGuy_411 said:

This argument alone. Has made me NOT want to ever see Pamela. The constant arguing and insecure need to constantly defend her postion. Which , frankly. I agree with. However,  you two have taken it to another level. Its ridiculous.  I wouldn't book based on this alone. I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way. You two need to stop the constant back and forth. We get it. Your right.  He is wrong... just let it go. You have both said your piece five times over. 

Totally agree. A provider who is worth seeing and is highly sought after doesn't have the time nor the inclination to be here bickering with people. 

[Pamela Luscious 199]

22 minutes ago, NewGuy_411 said:

 

As per usual , the common theme of this thread is "  missing the piont " . That logic is obviously to complicated for you to understand. Personally , your backbone and opinion matters not to me. There is sticking up for yourself. And then there is trying  to beat it to death with words. I told you. I agreed with your piont of view.  Your obsession with having to convince someone that you cannot. And will never change there piont of view is inherently a waste of time. The meaning of insanity comes to mind.   I for one ,  won't bother to respond to any other posts you make on this subject . As this matter is of little importance to me.  I will leave it up to the sycophants and beta's to help convince him. 

No one’s forcing you to read or comment, yet here you are, again. Funny how you say I’m missing the point, when the entire thread was about questioning whether a woman is ‘worth it’ if she charges more or calls herself elite. That’s what I addressed. Y’all are the ones who made it about me.

 

If you want to stay on topic, great, do that. But stop projecting and trying to shift the narrative just because I won’t let the disrespect slide.

 

And let’s be clear, I’m not here to change anyone’s mind. I already know some of you won’t get it. I’m here to help you expose yourselves. This thread has over 8,000 views and a lot of them are from providers. Trust me, I’m not wasting my time, I’m doing this community a favor.

 

So please, continue. You’re doing a fantastic job of showing everyone exactly what kind of men we’re dealing with.

[Bicuriousdartmouth 1056]

while i agree that woman are absolutely allowed to charge whatever they want.. heres my take...

 

If i go to the mall and someones selling clothing and the sign reads "the best pair on earth, will not tear when you bend over, ultra comfortable, perfect fit" but they cost twice as much . You purchase them and they are not comfortable at all, rip the first time you wear them and are not true to the size labelled. Are we just suppose to accept that Hey someone poured there life savings into designing those pants, who are you to say they arent any good.

 

My point being....

While i agree that women should be able to set there own prices and restrictions and worth , there is definitely a problem with fake advertising. How many times do i have to meet someone new that claims to offer GFE and charges high end prices and then i show up to someone who looks nothing like the pictures and delivers a terrible service . Theres nothing wrong with sharing our opinions on this forum with how an experience went . Any provider whos doing there clients right wouldnt have an issue with that

 

[MsManda 25780]

The problem isn't that y'all discuss us.. 

It's the tone used when (some of) you do 🙄

and that's just what we can see publicly, don't get me started on the DMs here 

 

Usage on this forum has died down to what it has, and I'm sure you have noticed that providers aren't as active in the lyla community/discussions as they used to be.. Now it's just a boys club here, and the tone has changed as such

 

This used to be a place of respect for sps, and now its losing that vibe for more of an sp411 feel.. How's that forum doing, btw? 

 

By all means, share your opinions, but do know that we use these threads for screening as well as you do 😈

[MsManda 25780]

1 hour ago, Bicuriousdartmouth said:

while i agree that woman are absolutely allowed to charge whatever they want.. heres my take...

 

If i go to the mall and someones selling clothing and the sign reads "the best pair on earth, will not tear when you bend over, ultra comfortable, perfect fit" but they cost twice as much . You purchase them and they are not comfortable at all, rip the first time you wear them and are not true to the size labelled. Are we just suppose to accept that Hey someone poured there life savings into designing those pants, who are you to say they arent any good.

 

My point being....

While i agree that women should be able to set there own prices and restrictions and worth , there is definitely a problem with fake advertising. How many times do i have to meet someone new that claims to offer GFE and charges high end prices and then i show up to someone who looks nothing like the pictures and delivers a terrible service . Theres nothing wrong with sharing our opinions on this forum with how an experience went . Any provider whos doing there clients right wouldnt have an issue with that

 

But we're not selling leggings that won't rip.. We're not out here touting our technical fabrics lmao

 

We're selling personalized experiences, with more variables than if someone selected the right fit of leggings for their size/body type. 👀

 

You can show up with terrible hygiene to buy leggings and still be served a fabulous pair of leggings lol

Not so much with sp experiences though

 

[Pamela Luscious 199]

1 hour ago, Bicuriousdartmouth said:

while i agree that woman are absolutely allowed to charge whatever they want.. heres my take...

 

If i go to the mall and someones selling clothing and the sign reads "the best pair on earth, will not tear when you bend over, ultra comfortable, perfect fit" but they cost twice as much . You purchase them and they are not comfortable at all, rip the first time you wear them and are not true to the size labelled. Are we just suppose to accept that Hey someone poured there life savings into designing those pants, who are you to say they arent any good.

 

My point being....

While i agree that women should be able to set there own prices and restrictions and worth , there is definitely a problem with fake advertising. How many times do i have to meet someone new that claims to offer GFE and charges high end prices and then i show up to someone who looks nothing like the pictures and delivers a terrible service . Theres nothing wrong with sharing our opinions on this forum with how an experience went . Any provider whos doing there clients right wouldnt have an issue with that

 

I actually have an entire thread already posted that explains how to properly screen a provider before booking her. Nowhere have I said to blindly book someone whose ad seems too good to be true. At some point, clients need to take responsibility for their own choices and safety.

 

I’ve also said I’m not against reviews, as long as they’re done tastefully, respectfully, and not written like porn scripts. Some providers prefer a no-review policy, and that should be respected too. But there are plenty of ways to screen someone before seeing them. Here’s the link:

 

https://www.lyla.ch/topic/214084-how-to-screen-an-indépendant/

 

The issue I raised is not about reviews. It’s about the disrespect of asking whether a woman is "worth it" just because she charges more or calls herself elite. This thread wasn’t a review of one person. It was a collective complaint targeting women who charge higher rates, an entire group of professionals being questioned for valuing themselves.

 

As I said before: if you want to know if someone is "worth it," book her. Then leave a classy, respectful review. But dragging women publicly because their rates don’t match your expectations? That’s not feedback, it’s entitlement.

[Timmy 78]

I've personally given reviews and as a Gen Xer it's always been an uncomfortable thing for me to do.......so I try to keep it simple and not get too personal.  The only review I look for before seeing an SP for the first time is "is she real?"......"does she lie about services?"...."is that her in the pics?" ...everything else is chemistry and often times a client's dissatisfaction can be traced back to the client himself.  The term "worth it"....admittedly hits hard for me too.

 

I have been with SP's who were very highly regarded and the experience was meh.....my ego isn't that great that I can't accept that I'm part of the reason the experience was less than perfect.  My favorite SP is rarely reco'ed and I have seen her on the "scams" thread?...I assure you she's not a scam.....but someone had a less than favorable encounter with her and knowing her as I do, I know who the unfavorable person likely was.... 

 

Can you imagine if we came across a site where SP's judge their clients?  Let's keep in mind that these are all wonderful ladies doing wonderful work......there are SP's I have chosen never to return to.......but having any type of intimacy with a beautiful lady is always worth it!

 

Just my .02 cents 

 

 

 

 

 

  

[Harleyboy64 277]

Hey everyone,
Really appreciate the perspectives shared in this thread — it’s obvious people care, and that’s a good thing.

Let’s be real: yes, this is a human-to-human interaction, but it’s still a service. And whether we like it or not, if a client doesn’t perceive value in what’s being offered — whether it’s price, experience, or connection — then the product naturally becomes less desirable to them. That’s not a judgment of anyone’s worth — it’s just how markets work, in any industry.

At the same time, providers are absolutely entitled to set their own rates, define their value, and work on their own terms. They don’t owe anyone an explanation. Just like clients get to decide what suits their needs and budget, providers get to choose what aligns with theirs. No one’s wrong for asking questions, and no one’s wrong for setting boundaries.

So yeah — this isn’t about objectifying or moralizing. It’s about choice. Clients choose what they’re comfortable paying for. Providers choose how they want to operate.

[Pamela Luscious 199]

1 hour ago, Harleyboy64 said:

Hey everyone,
Really appreciate the perspectives shared in this thread — it’s obvious people care, and that’s a good thing.

Let’s be real: yes, this is a human-to-human interaction, but it’s still a service. And whether we like it or not, if a client doesn’t perceive value in what’s being offered — whether it’s price, experience, or connection — then the product naturally becomes less desirable to them. That’s not a judgment of anyone’s worth — it’s just how markets work, in any industry.

At the same time, providers are absolutely entitled to set their own rates, define their value, and work on their own terms. They don’t owe anyone an explanation. Just like clients get to decide what suits their needs and budget, providers get to choose what aligns with theirs. No one’s wrong for asking questions, and no one’s wrong for setting boundaries.

So yeah — this isn’t about objectifying or moralizing. It’s about choice. Clients choose what they’re comfortable paying for. Providers choose how they want to operate.

A client is absolutely within his right to choose how he spends his money. It’s his personal choice to seek out a service that fits his budget. But it’s also his responsibility to do proper research, to ensure his safety and to avoid being disappointed or scammed.

 

That means reading her website, checking her reviews, browsing her social media. all of which give a clear picture of her personality, style, and the kind of experience she offers.

 

The issue with this thread, however, is that it lumps together a group of women who choose to charge more, and compares them to a group who charge less. That approach helps no one. It doesn't guide clients, it dehumanizes women.

 

Each provider decides for herself what to charge. And yes, two different women might offer similar services at different rates, but they are still two different people, not interchangeable blow-up dolls. Your experience with one will naturally differ from another.

 

So asking “why does she charge more?” has one answer: because she can.

 

Book within your means and respect our autonomy. Stop questioning our worth. It’s that simple.

[OldandNerdy 1322]

It's times like this that I really miss Lydia and her forum administration. 

 

This is not the place it was a couple of years ago where a core group from both sides would come here to not only ensure everyone's safety, but also have a bit of fun and enjoyment.

 

 

[MsManda 25780]

33 minutes ago, OldandNerdy said:

It's times like this that I really miss Lydia and her forum administration. 

 

This is not the place it was a couple of years ago where a core group from both sides would come here to not only ensure everyone's safety, but also have a bit of fun and enjoyment.

 

 

Everyone jumped ship with Lydia lol

 

And the forum went wild 😂

 

[Harleyboy64 277]

There’s clearly passion behind your words, and I respect that.

 

That said, I think it’s worth highlighting a bit of a contradiction in your stance. On the one hand, you say clients should “book within their means and respect our autonomy,” and that no one should question a provider’s worth. Totally fair. Autonomy and boundaries go both ways.

 

But in the same breath, you argue that clients who choose differently — particularly those seeking more budget-aligned services — are “dehumanizing” women by even comparing options. That seems like a double standard. You’re defending a provider’s right to set her price (as you should), but dismissing a client’s right to assess value — even if he does so respectfully and does his homework. Isn’t that also a form of autonomy?

 

You also call out the risk of “objectifying,” yet imply that women charging less are somehow dragging down the others. That frames lower-cost providers as threats rather than fellow professionals making strategic decisions that suit their goals. Feels like we can’t talk about rates without walking into a moral minefield — and that’s the inconsistency.

 

Ultimately, we should call out disrespect, but not every value-based decision is disrespectful. Sometimes it’s just economics — not a judgment on a person’s worth.

 

Anyway, I appreciate the dialogue. These conversations aren’t always comfortable, but they are necessary if we want transparency and mutual respect in a space that often lacks both.

 

 

[Pamela Luscious 199]

23 minutes ago, Harleyboy64 said:

There’s clearly passion behind your words, and I respect that.

 

That said, I think it’s worth highlighting a bit of a contradiction in your stance. On the one hand, you say clients should “book within their means and respect our autonomy,” and that no one should question a provider’s worth. Totally fair. Autonomy and boundaries go both ways.

 

But in the same breath, you argue that clients who choose differently — particularly those seeking more budget-aligned services — are “dehumanizing” women by even comparing options. That seems like a double standard. You’re defending a provider’s right to set her price (as you should), but dismissing a client’s right to assess value — even if he does so respectfully and does his homework. Isn’t that also a form of autonomy?

 

You also call out the risk of “objectifying,” yet imply that women charging less are somehow dragging down the others. That frames lower-cost providers as threats rather than fellow professionals making strategic decisions that suit their goals. Feels like we can’t talk about rates without walking into a moral minefield — and that’s the inconsistency.

 

Ultimately, we should call out disrespect, but not every value-based decision is disrespectful. Sometimes it’s just economics — not a judgment on a person’s worth.

 

Anyway, I appreciate the dialogue. These conversations aren’t always comfortable, but they are necessary if we want transparency and mutual respect in a space that often lacks both.

 

 

First of all, I appreciate your ability to communicate respectfully without getting emotional, that’s rare and valuable in these discussions.

 

That said, I want to clarify something: I never said that clients who book within their budget are dehumanizing, nor did I say that providers who charge less are “dragging down” others.

 

What I have said, and I’ve repeated this multiple times now, is that asking whether providers who charge more are “worth it” is disrespectful and dehumanizing. That specific framing reduces a human being to a price tag and treats her work, boundaries, and self-worth as something for strangers to publicly dissect. That’s the issue.

 

I’ve also acknowledged, repeatedly, that two providers at different price points may offer the same type of service on paper, but they are still different people. And because we are not robots or blowup dolls, the experience will be different. Our rates are based on many things beyond just the act itself, it's energy, time, boundaries, style, lifestyle, demand, and personal comfort.

 

I fully support every provider’s right to charge what aligns with her goals, whether that’s a lower or higher rate. And yes, every client also has the autonomy to choose services within their budget. But what they don’t have is the right to pick apart women they’re not even planning to book, just because those women don’t fit their budget.

 

You said it “feels like we can’t talk about rates.” Well… that’s kind of the point. Rates are personal and business decisions made by each provider for herself. It’s not open for public debate or cost-benefit analysis, especially by those who were never going to book her anyway.

 

It’s her time, her energy, her sensuality, her boundaries... her. If someone doesn’t understand that or thinks he’s entitled to question her pricing like he’s shopping on Amazon, then that’s not a respectful discussion about value, that’s objectification, plain and simple.

 

If a client can’t afford a higher rate or doesn’t personally see the value, he is always free to book within his budget. But that should never turn into a debate about the worth of women who were never on his radar to begin with, because someone else is booking her. And respecting that is the bare minimum.

[TonyK 192]

19 minutes ago, Pamela Luscious said:

First of all, I appreciate your ability to communicate respectfully without getting emotional, that’s rare and valuable in these discussions.

 

That said, I want to clarify something: I never said that clients who book within their budget are dehumanizing, nor did I say that providers who charge less are “dragging down” others.

 

What I have said, and I’ve repeated this multiple times now, is that asking whether providers who charge more are “worth it” is disrespectful and dehumanizing. That specific framing reduces a human being to a price tag and treats her work, boundaries, and self-worth as something for strangers to publicly dissect. That’s the issue.

 

I’ve also acknowledged, repeatedly, that two providers at different price points may offer the same type of service on paper, but they are still different people. And because we are not robots or blowup dolls, the experience will be different. Our rates are based on many things beyond just the act itself, it's energy, time, boundaries, style, lifestyle, demand, and personal comfort.

 

I fully support every provider’s right to charge what aligns with her goals, whether that’s a lower or higher rate. And yes, every client also has the autonomy to choose services within their budget. But what they don’t have is the right to pick apart women they’re not even planning to book, just because those women don’t fit their budget.

 

You said it “feels like we can’t talk about rates.” Well… that’s kind of the point. Rates are personal and business decisions made by each provider for herself. It’s not open for public debate or cost-benefit analysis, especially by those who were never going to book her anyway.

 

It’s her time, her energy, her sensuality, her boundaries... her. If someone doesn’t understand that or thinks he’s entitled to question her pricing like he’s shopping on Amazon, then that’s not a respectful discussion about value, that’s objectification, plain and simple.

 

If a client can’t afford a higher rate or doesn’t personally see the value, he is always free to book within his budget. But that should never turn into a debate about the worth of women who were never on his radar to begin with, because someone else is booking her. And respecting that is the bare minimum.

Too quick to judge that people who bring up the discussion do not have budget to book an 'Elite' provider or don't have plans to? Omg! Now you speak like you are entitled lol! No 'disrespect' to hobbyists right? Judging their budget, capacity? Double standards have hit a different level today. Gosh!

[Harleyboy64 277]

I agree, level-headed conversations are rare. I feel like I'm pushing my luck with my unsolicited and rarely sought after opinion on this topic 😀.

I think we’re still circling around a core tension here. You say you’ve never implied clients who choose based on budget are being disrespectful — but the line gets blurry when we consider your stance on how questions about pricing are received. To be blunt: you’ve drawn a pretty hard line between asking “why does she charge more?” and “is she worth it?”, but in practice, those questions often stem from the same place, someone trying to understand value, not necessarily to diminish it.

Let’s be real, every market involves some level of comparison, and while I agree no one is entitled to nitpick a provider they don’t plan to book, the fact that pricing exists at all means people will assess it. That’s not objectification. That’s literally how decisions get made in any business — especially one where the experience is personal, varied, and subjective.

You emphasize that providers aren’t blow-up dolls,100% agreed, but suggesting that discussing value at all somehow equates to dehumanization feels like a leap. Intent matters. Tone matters. Blanket framing all public dialogue about pricing as disrespectful just reinforces the idea that some topics are off-limits, even when approached respectfully. That’s not protecting autonomy — that’s policing perspective.

No one’s saying a provider owes an explanation for her rates. But if she’s in a public space marketing a premium service, some curiosity is natural — even expected. Shutting that down entirely doesn’t elevate the conversation, it just suppresses nuance.

At the end of the day, autonomy cuts both ways. You’re absolutely right, her time, her energy, her sensuality, her boundaries. No argument there. But the same courtesy should extend to those asking questions in good faith. Dismissing every value-based conversation as “Amazon-level objectification” erases that good faith and ironically becomes its own kind of reduction.

Appreciate the exchange and will leave you to your thoughts on this topic.

Kind regards.

[Pamela Luscious 199]

29 minutes ago, TonyK said:

Too quick to judge that people who bring up the discussion do not have budget to book an 'Elite' provider or don't have plans to? Omg! Now you speak like you are entitled lol! No 'disrespect' to hobbyists right? Judging their budget, capacity? Double standards have hit a different level today. Gosh!

Trust me, we don’t care about your income. We care about respect and proper bookings.

Your budget is the last thing on our minds… actually, it’s not on our minds at all. 😉

[Pamela Luscious 199]

13 minutes ago, Harleyboy64 said:

I agree, level-headed conversations are rare. I feel like I'm pushing my luck with my unsolicited and rarely sought after opinion on this topic 😀.

I think we’re still circling around a core tension here. You say you’ve never implied clients who choose based on budget are being disrespectful — but the line gets blurry when we consider your stance on how questions about pricing are received. To be blunt: you’ve drawn a pretty hard line between asking “why does she charge more?” and “is she worth it?”, but in practice, those questions often stem from the same place, someone trying to understand value, not necessarily to diminish it.

Let’s be real, every market involves some level of comparison, and while I agree no one is entitled to nitpick a provider they don’t plan to book, the fact that pricing exists at all means people will assess it. That’s not objectification. That’s literally how decisions get made in any business — especially one where the experience is personal, varied, and subjective.

You emphasize that providers aren’t blow-up dolls,100% agreed, but suggesting that discussing value at all somehow equates to dehumanization feels like a leap. Intent matters. Tone matters. Blanket framing all public dialogue about pricing as disrespectful just reinforces the idea that some topics are off-limits, even when approached respectfully. That’s not protecting autonomy — that’s policing perspective.

No one’s saying a provider owes an explanation for her rates. But if she’s in a public space marketing a premium service, some curiosity is natural — even expected. Shutting that down entirely doesn’t elevate the conversation, it just suppresses nuance.

At the end of the day, autonomy cuts both ways. You’re absolutely right, her time, her energy, her sensuality, her boundaries. No argument there. But the same courtesy should extend to those asking questions in good faith. Dismissing every value-based conversation as “Amazon-level objectification” erases that good faith and ironically becomes its own kind of reduction.

Appreciate the exchange and will leave you to your thoughts on this topic.

Kind regards.

Let me put it simply:

 

Let’s say you usually book providers around $300. Then you come across someone who’s your exact type, but she charges $500. If she’s within your budget, you either book her or you don’t, no questions, no debate. That’s her rate. End of story.

 

You might end up having the best experience of your life. Or maybe your favorite provider ends up being someone at $250. That’s how personal preference works, not price tags.

 

But the issue is when people start complaining, dissecting, and comparing groups of women like we’re two different models of fleshlight. That’s not curiosity, that’s dehumanizing.

 

We’re not toys. We’re human beings. You either book or move on. It really is that simple.

 

If you don’t want to “risk” spending more on someone at a higher rate, then don’t. No one’s forcing you. But someone else is booking her, and they’re not turning it into a debate.