Bbfs

[weekender 100]

Hear hear, nothing short of insanity, but lets face it, there's no shortage of that in the world! So it comes as no surprise to me, that some people are requesting it.

 

I'd be no more inclined to do this than I would be to play Russian Roulette.

 

My two cents, for what they are worth.

[Gabriella Laurence 301887]

I'd be no more inclined to do this than I would be to play Russian Roulette.

 

Weird as I think partaking in BBFS is the same as playing Russian Roulette... The ending is just not as quick and way more painful and brutal.

[Juice 2105]

I don't believe that bbfs and bbbj are anywhere near being in the same league as far as risk goes. SPs who offer bbbj are making reasonable judgement calls.

 

As an example, in the legal brothel businesses in Germany, bbbj is the NORM (with cfs) and yet STDs are very rare. If bbfs were the norm, I'm sure that chlymidia etc. would be spreading pretty fast.

[fortunateone 156618]

I don't believe that bbfs and bbbj are anywhere near being in the same league as far as risk goes. SPs who offer bbbj are making reasonable judgement calls.

 

As an example, in the legal brothel businesses in Germany, bbbj is the NORM (with cfs) and yet STDs are very rare. If bbfs were the norm, I'm sure that chlymidia etc. would be spreading pretty fast.

 

 

 

Chlamydia is very common tho, already. As is syphillis.

 

I think the main problem is that someone who does think it OK to do bbfs is not someone who is getting regular checkups and treatments for any pre existing conditions. Just as people may 'hook up' with non-sex workers, as that is unlikely to involve any protection at all, they too are unlikely to be tested unless they get symptoms.

 

And those are also the people who hire sex workers, who do provide the uncovered services. An sp may be tested monthly or every 3 months, but that is testing, not protection. Risks are minimized by use of protection, and that would be the same goal in sex work as any other worker gets safety equipment. Not using hard hats or wearing steel toed boots can get you fired off a job site; so if regulated in this industry, not usind condoms for most sex acts would result in loss of employment and/or fines.

[Guest LittleWingnut]

I think with my head not with my d**k...no BBFS ever with an escort on my part. It was offered to me once if I could provide clean documentation proving same but it's only a snapshot in time for anyone. Respect yourself and your lady companions and cover up accordingly.

[parkershellby45 678]

I can see why a guy would want to do bareback, nothing beats the sensation of skin on membrane, but wanting something and asking for it are two different things, there are a lot of things one might want to do, but good sense stops us from trying some of these things, so I support the SP's right to refuse and run from a hobbiest who requests BBFS, but having said that... it would be a dream to go bare back with my SP, a dream that will never happen, but a dream none the less.

[lovethegirls 127]

I'm sorry, anyone please don't take this the wrong way, but what is the difference between providing bbbj and bbfs? I have never offered either service, i lose ALOT of business because i don't offer bbbj,never have never will,because i'm just too terrified to catch something, disease and illness, especially incurable/killer ones, scare the hell out of me. Putting a complete strangers member in my mouth without protection seems the same as having unprotected sex with someone I do not know from a hole in the wall; his fluids are entering my body which put my health at risk. HIV and other STDS are carried through the semen fluid, so if is guy is positive, how is putting it in your mouth any different from your cookie? Will the risk factor change? The way is see it, I'm too young to die, or get sick and because of this thought pattern, I have ALWAYS been a 100% safe gfe, and will never do bbbj, in my mind its the same as bbfs in terms of the risk factor. I'm just curious, why is it "ok" to do in the mouth, but not ok in other regions? I mean if your already doing bbbj,your already risking your health, how is doing bbfs any different, other than now the client is at risk too? Why is unprotected ok when the sp is taking all the risk ( bbbj) but not ok when both parties are at risk (BBFS)? Why is ANY unprotected service alright? Are the two really that different? Just curious? Please don't anyone take this the wrong way, I'm not trying to be rude or offend anyone,nor am i trying to judge, your body your choice. I truly just want to hear some other perspectives.

 

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I'm sorry, anyone please don't take this the wrong way, but what is the difference between providing bbbj and bbfs? I have never offered either service, i lose ALOT of business because i don't offer bbbj,never have never will,because i'm just too terrified to catch something, disease and illness, especially incurable/killer ones, scare the hell out of me. Putting a complete strangers member in my mouth without protection seems the same as having unprotected sex with someone I do not know from a hole in the wall; his fluids are entering my body which put my health at risk. HIV and other STDS are carried through the semen fluid, so if is guy is positive, how is putting it in your mouth any different from your cookie? Will the risk factor change? The way is see it, I'm too young to die, or get sick and because of this thought pattern, I have ALWAYS been a 100% safe gfe, and will never do bbbj, in my mind its the same as bbfs in terms of the risk factor. I'm just curious, why is it "ok" to do in the mouth, but not ok in other regions? I mean if your already doing bbbj,your already risking your health, how is doing bbfs any different, other than now the client is put at risk too? Why is unprotected ok when the sp is taking all the risk ( bbbj) but not ok when both parties are at risk (BBFS)? Why is ANY unprotected service alright? Are the two really that different? Just curious? Please don't anyone take this the wrong way, I'm not trying to be rude or offend anyone,nor am i trying to judge, your body your choice. I truly just want to hear some other perspectives.

 

 

THANK_YOU very much Lux!!!!

KUDOS to you!! I have read a many threads on this issue, and you seem to be one in a few that thinks like I do, that BBBJ & BBFS and BOTH the same with risk facter.....how in the world could one be less dangerous than the other?

[Guest W***ledi*Time]

... in circles:

 

.... BBBJ & BBFS and BOTH the same with risk facter.....how in the world could one be less dangerous than the other?

 

The mouth and digestive tract is a much more hostile place to many pathogens.

[fortunateone 156618]

... in circles:

 

 

I understand there is a desire to believe that infections therefor can not take place in the mouth as readily as say bbfs, but the reality is quite different. Saliva doesn't kill viruses, if it did no one would ever pass the flu or mononucleosis from person to person.

 

And we aren't talking about saliva to saliva contact (as in kissing), we are talking about putting uncovered semen (which does carry stds) into the mouth and throat.

 

When someone gets chlamydia, gonorrhea and syphillis orally, the infection is found in the throat not the mouth.

 

Syphilis is extremely easy to transmit via oral sex. In fact, in some areas of the United States, oral sex has been shown to be responsible for as many as 15% of syphilis cases. Although syphilis can only be transmitted in the presence of symptoms, during the primary and secondary stages of the disease, the painless sores it causes are easy to miss.

 

In recent years, teenagers with throat infections caused by gonorrhea have often been in the news. Gonorrhea can be transmitted in both directions when oral sex is performed on a man, and throat infections with gonorrhea are notoriously difficult to treat. There is limited research to suggest that it may be possible for someone to acquire a gonorrheal throat infection while performing oral sex on a woman, but transmission in the other direction is relatively unlikely since the site of infection is the cervix -- a part of the female anatomy not reached during cunnilingus. Condoms and dental dams should be extremely effective in preventing transmission of gonorrhea during oral sex.

 

http://std.about.com/od/riskfactorsforstds/a/oralsexsafesex.htm

 

 

There are reasons why daty is considered safer, vs bbbjs for the woman, for example for reasons above. The link covers more stds. Nothing refers to how the mouth is a safer place.

[Guest W***ledi*Time]

My word was "many", which does not equal "all". I did not use words like "cannot", either - nor has anyone else.

 

The statement was made that there was no difference in risk. But there is a difference - hence, my response.

 

Compare the differences in these std risks charts:

 

http://www.sfcityclinic.org/stdbasics/stdchart.asp

http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/medicine/std-chart.htm

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/factsheets/oralsex.htm

http://www.avert.org/oral-sex.htm

[fortunateone 156618]

Sorry, WIT. I was taking issue with the idea that saliva/the mouth would create a hostile place and thus reduce the risks. The risks seem to be the same, and saliva isn't a fixer, which was kind of my point of view posting.

 

It just reminded me of the myth that since HIV is not normally transmitted orally, that it 'must' be because saliva kills HIV.

 

Altho the thread has side tracked into a bbbj issue, it doesn't really take away from the fact that most people seem to want to ignore the real risks in favour of the sensations (or $$) that come with bbbjs. And to me the only reason to do this is to ignore the actual stats, information and std sites themselves.

 

As mentioned, there seem to be a lot of teens getting gonorrhea now, and that is still the group with the highest infection rates of chlamydia. These people who are tested and treated and get statistically counted are only a fraction of the ones who don't get tested and treated, and move into adult life carrying this. Some become sex workers, still untested and untreated, and others become clients, still untested and untreated.

 

This is how these things become epidemics.

 

In Greece a crack down on the illegal brothels, and with enforced HIV testing (legal workers are required to test) found this result:

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/03/greece-prostitutes-hiv-arrests_n_1473864.html

 

That is more on point with the actual thread topic:

 

Greek authorities announced the arrest Wednesday of 17 HIV-positive women who allegedly worked illegally as prostitutes, accusing them of intentionally causing serious bodily harm.......

 

The arrests come amid a crackdown on hundreds of unlicensed brothels around Greece, which recently toughened AIDS testing laws for prostitution in response to a sharp rise in AIDS cases last year. Prostitution is legal in Greece, with regular health checks for sex workers required. But authorities say only a fraction of brothels are operating with a license.

Health Minister Andreas Loverdos warned of a rise in cases of customers having sex without a condom for an additional fee.

 

The women were among 130 women screened for the AIDS virus by the state-run Center for Disease Control and Prevention. Hundreds more women are likely to be screened in the next few weeks.

The agency said it had received more than 1,500 calls from men inquiring about brothel safety and AIDS tests since the crackdown began over the weekend. It was unclear if anyone had been infected by the 17 women from Greece, Russia and Bulgaria who authorities said were arrested over the past four days.

 

Greece will hold a general election Sunday, and Loverdos said he would call on the next government to criminalize unprotected sex at brothels.

 

 

Many countries with regulations on legal prostitution make condom use for oral sex and sex mandatory, and a crime if they are not used. I doubt that they do these things just to be busybodies. They are based on real health and safety issues, not whimsy.

[Guest W***ledi*Time]

Sorry, WIT . I was taking issue with the idea that saliva ... kills HIV.

 

Well, let's point out that other words that I never mentioned are "saliva" and "kill". Nor has anyone else in this thread. The fact that risks exist is disputed by no-one. But the fact that risks exist does not make all risks of the same degree.

 

For example:

 

The mouth is an inhospitable environment for HIV (in semen, vaginal fluid or blood), meaning the risk of HIV transmission through the throat, gums, and oral membranes is lower than through vaginal or anal membranes.

 

http://www.aids.org/topics/aids-faqs/how-is-hiv-transmitted/

[SamanthaEvans 166766]

Not all risks are equal, to be sure!

 

As the mother of a teenage son, I worry about the uninformed risks teenagers take far too often. HIV transmission through oral sex is extremely rare to virtually unlikely, but gonorrhea is very easy to catch. I heard on the CBC's Sunday morning program last weekend that the risk of gonorrhea transmission is 1:2. That's one chance in every two encounters. This is higher than the risk of cold and flu viruses from casual contact.

 

Everyone is very worried about HIV/AIDS, and for good reason. I'm just as concerned about other STIs that are often undetected and therefore untreated for a long time.

[Cyndall_Kent 6880]

Yikes! I hope I never encounter this. Not cool, not safe, not fun. Monogamy is the way to go for this...

[MisterMike 1873]

.... As someone who does provide bbbj with my discretion and who does get testing done regularly. If feel as if I need to protect myself against people who may look down on me because of doing this. I feel like this kind of judgement shouldn't be on cerb. I know some strippers and some ma's look down at escorts because they are escorts and I think that is hypocritical. They think of us escorts sorry to say but dirty. I just don't want to see this thread go in this direction. We are in the same industry.

 

I will be happy to see if and when the government makes this legal because it will be regulated in a way where testing will probably be mandatory. Sp's will probably have to go through some kind of course to get some kind of licencing.

 

As you said some of us had to go with bbbj to ensure we get the money to pay our bills ect. How are we going to break stereotypes if we judge ourselves. What I mean by that is sp's against sp's and any other part of the sex industry.

 

I don't want anyone being confused thinking I do bbfs I do not.

 

I am new to the hobby and actually haven't enjoyed my first experience yet. I have some reservations and this is one of them. This issue is of great concern to me. I am becoming a hobbyist because my wife never been able to perform oral sex. As we all know one has to love doing it to do it well. I survived without it and our sex life is satisfactory. However I have missed it. Now that I am in my 60s I find myself wanting to experience this again and so I am here.

 

I am shocked to see that some women offer bbfs in this day and age. Yikes. I judge them only in the sense that I personally wouldn't want to see them regardless of how attractive they are. However when it comes to BBBJ I am of mixed emotions. I wouldn't ask for it out of common sense but if it were offered I don't know how I would react. This is but one concern that has been keeping me from taking the first plunge.

 

I remember back in the 1960s and 70s a good blow job included CIM (and often swallowing too) and no one thought anything more about it. AIDS has been with us for almost 30 years now and I would have thought that common sense would have precluded any kind of unprotected activity.

 

I just don't know........

[Guest]

Here is a poll taking place in the Ottawa section about bbbj. I know this thread started out to be about bbfs but it kind of turned into a bbbj conversation. Here are some more thoughts about bbbj.

 

http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=103085

[BownChickaBown 4829]

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