Does GFE mean you do things unsafe!

[Lowdark 5613]

No one should assume that a specific term means they're entitled to anything. As long as the lady hasn't advertised that specific service, her rules are paramount. If someone is looking for something specific, they should do the research first and make sure the lady is comfortable offering it. If not . . . In the end any one who requests or expects anything the lady does not want to do is not or does not offer isn't worth her time.

[fortunateone 156618]

The thing is that with full service, there is no such thing as "safe". So while you can reduce the risk, it'll never be completely safe. I believe condoms have a failure rate of about 1/10.

 

Now given that I believe it's far more likely to contract a serious std from vaginal or anal intercourse than it is with oral, I'd probably say a bbbj is probably less risky than covered full service. Say it's a tenth less likely to contract an std through oral than it is vaginal, then the odds of catching an std through a bbbj would be even with catching one with safe FS.

 

Also, it would probably be much safer to give a bbbj then put the condom on for FS then it is use the same condom for both the bj and fs as has happened with most sps I've seen. A cbj is probably putting the condom at risk for wear and tear. Using a condom for each one would probably be much safer.

 

I'm not saying an SP should be obligated to perform a bbbj (unless they're adversting PSE) as putting a complete stranger's you-know-what into your mouth might not be the most comfortable thing. However, it's still relatively a safe thing IMO, at least as safe a covered FS and maybe even safer (I don't know the exact statistics).

 

Also, with COF/COB, most SPs would charge extra for this, or not do it at all and that's understandable a bit since like a bbbj, it's not exactly the most comfortable thing to do with a stranger. But it would have to be much safer given the aforementioned failure rate of condoms wouldn't it? It would be pretty much impossible to catch an std from COB whereas, even with a condom, CIP would still be somewhat risky. About one tenth of all clients who have CIP with an SP have probably done so with a broken condom so you'd actually think SPs would be encouraging COB, rather than refusing it or charging extra.

 

 

This refers to uncovered oral sex. I have seen several different studies and charts, all pretty much agree upon the risk levels of these activities and the difference between giving and receiving. (and yes, that 1/10 is WAY too high lol)

 

STD RISKS CHART

 

WHAT YOU CAN GET IF YOUR PARTNER IS INFECTED

 

Performing Oral Sex on a Man

 

 

KNOWN RISKS:

Chlamydia, Gonorrhea, Hepatitis A*, Herpes (rare), HPV (warts), Shigella*, Syphilis

 

 

POSSIBLE RISKS:

Hepatitis B, HIV**

 

 

UNKNOWN:

Hepatitis C

 

 

 

 

Performing Oral Sex on a Woman

 

 

KNOWN RISKS:

Herpes (rare)

 

 

UNKNOWN:

HPV (warts)

 

 

 

 

Receiving Oral Sex, Man

 

 

KNOWN RISKS:

Chlamydia, Gonorrhea, NGU, Herpes, Syphilis

 

 

UNKNOWN:

HPV (warts)

 

 

 

 

Receiving Oral Sex, Woman

 

 

KNOWN RISKS:

Herpes

 

 

UNKNOWN:

HPV (warts)

 

The facts answer that age old question of why an sp who does cbjs still offers daty. It is a risk factor, which is way low for her at risk of receiving an std via daty vs it being quite high for her to contract an std by giving a bbbj. It also answers why many guys are ok with receiving bbbjs, since their risk of contracting an std is very low.

 

This is the risk factors of rimming, fwiw.

Oral-Anal Sex

 

 

 

KNOWN RISKS:

Parasites, Hepatitis A, Shigella

 

 

UNKNOWN:

HPV (warts)

These are the risks of uncovered sex, fwiw. I do not see a huge difference between uncovered full sex and uncovered bjs, btw, excepting as it applies to the male receiver of bbbjs:

 

Vaginal Sex - Man

 

 

 

KNOWN RISKS:

Chlamydia, Crabs/Scabies, Gonorrhea, Hepatitis B, Herpes, HIV, HPV (warts), NGU, Syphilis, Trichomoniasis

 

 

UNKNOWN:

Hepatitis C

 

 

 

 

Vaginal Sex - Woman

 

 

 

KNOWN RISKS:

Chlamydia, Crabs/Scabies, Gonorrhea, Hepatitis B, Herpes, HIV, HPV (warts), Syphilis, Trichomoniasis

 

 

UNKNOWN:

Hepatitis C

 

www.inspot.org/std-info/sexual-risk.aspx?regionid=48&sitelvl=1

 

 

sps who offer bbbjs should be treated with a great deal of respect, imo, as they have made a decision to provide a preferred service at great risk to their personal health and safety. They do this knowing that many of these stds are curable and treatable, but that they will be at increased risk of exposure, if you consider that men in and out of this hobby tend to not get themselves tested (based on a TER poll a few years ago, an overwhelming majority of men had never been tested at all, and this on an escort review site)

 

:confused:

[Selena_20 333]

Wow! I am now happy with the way I do things after that list of diseases you can get lol. :butt:

 

That is more my way of thinking. You can never be too safe this day and age. xoxoxo

[futileresistenz 28253]

Selena, you absolutely have the right to look out for your own safety, regardless of what some clients may tell you. This should be in your own best interest (and in any provider's, really). As well, this is in the interest of your clients too, who presumably also would like not to take an unexpected gift home with them (to their wives). So anyone trying to get you (the SP) to submit to doing risky behaviours that you are uncomfortable with is a less-than-desirable client and should go look up another SP who is more than happy and willing to oblige.

[helloworkingladies 100]

well i lot of men that r paying good money, well like me, they want a nice bj with no condom, i mean u may has well put a condom on his finger, u see from a man's perspective, how exciting would that be, just like the bj with a condom, getting head 4 life with no condoms 4 me Bro

[CristyCurves 169032]

I have been accused of not providing a gfe service because I don't offer bbbj,so there are some men who consider bbbj part of the gfe service.I am simply not willing to take the risks and,the more a man uses a condom the less they feel like they have one on,so I have been told.

[April Dawn 12207]

Well contracting an std that could possibly have whole life repercussions isnt worth an orgasm so do what you are comfortable with and if somebody tries to push the issue dont see them.

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[Gabriella Laurence 301887]

I have been accused of not providing a gfe service because I don't offer bbbj,so there are some men who consider bbbj part of the gfe service.I am simply not willing to take the risks and,the more a man uses a condom the less they feel like they have one on,so I have been told.

You always have the option of advertising as a SAFE GFE ;) and it might be best for you since this is what you offer.

[Athos 108589]

You always have the option of advertising as a SAFE GFE ;)

 

Yes, that designation removes a world of ambiguity.

 

Porthos

[roamingguy 300291]

To me, GFE means there is the added intimacy and companionship included with an encounter. When you see a lady for a GFE, you are seeing her for more than just sexual services. You want to take time to get to know her. You enjoy her company, the conversation over drinks, kissing, cuddling. And your SP/Client relationship may evolve to dinners out and so on. It isn't about unprotected FS.

But as with everything in this lifestyle, there is the ymmv factor.

And always, respect the lady's boundaries. Just because she provides a GFE doesn't mean she doesn't have boundaries

A rambling

RG

[Gabriella Laurence 301887]

To me, GFE means there is the added intimacy and companionship included with an encounter. When you see a lady for a GFE, you are seeing her for more than just sexual services.

RG

I'll try to give you an example. It might not be the best one (most likely not) but it's the only thing I can come up

with right now...

 

Let's say you've decided to treat yourself to a night out and go for supper. Your choice for this evening is a casual restaurant offering this able d'hote:

7 layer chip dip served with grilled naan bread

Home made chili with sprinkles of cheese on top

Home made dessert

 

A 7 layer dip is made with 7 different ingredients. Now, if the restaurant decides to make a dip composed of 2 ingredients with 7 layers I'll be disappointed. Even more so if it comes with regular nacho chips instead of the grilled bread... Not what I was expecting.

 

If the chili turns out to be vegetarian instead of using ground beef I'll also be disappointed as it was not what was advertised (the word vegetarian was omitted). If the dessert was bought through a supplier instead of being homemade I'll be even more disappointed and at this point I don't care what type of music is playing in the background or how many candles are burning and how nice my waiter was.

 

My point? Don't mislead your (potential) clients... If you are SAFE GFE (covered bj only) then say so. If you don't kiss also say so because most gentlemen love this part of the experience and sometimes more than anything else.

 

Vegetarian chili can be very tasty and quite good but not when you are craving a chili with meat in it.

It's just not the same!

[CristyCurves 169032]

You always have the option of advertising as a SAFE GFE ;) and it might be best for you since this is what you offer.

 

Thanks,I did have that on my web page but removed it because of the men that said I wasn't ,oh well ,those who have seen me know my service is great and what is involved ,so however some identify is fine.

[Emma Alexandra 123366]

The one thing that GFE does offer is kissing...so if you don't kiss you shouldn't say Your GFE.:icon_wink:

[Lexy Grace 103696]

The one thing that GFE does offer is kissing...so if you don't kiss you shouldn't say Your GFE.:icon_wink:

 

I have to agree with you Emma. The whole experience to me is about being very intimate and kissing helps to create that "temporary girlfriend experience" during an encounter and what do you do with a girlfriend? Kiss!!

 

Kisses and Hugs,

Lexy

[CristyCurves 169032]

I think the greatest term mentioned here is YMMV.(At least I was relieved to find this 1) *This leaves it open for you to decide, depending on the situation if yoy want to include a service, additionally covered or otherwise. *ultimately its up to you but weigh the risks. - and don't go against your "gut" feeling-

Good Luck beautifull

XxXxXx- Alannah

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exactly if you are gfe and the guy you meet has rotten teeth and or bad breath are you really then going to kiss him,even though you are "gfe",so I think putting gfe-ymmv is a good idea.

 

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I have to agree with you Emma. The whole experience to me is about being very intimate and kissing helps to create that "temporary girlfriend experience" during an encounter and what do you do with a girlfriend? Kiss!!

 

Kisses and Hugs,

Lexy

 

well you would , in most probability have unprotected sex with your girlfriend to,so is it a style or does it include expected services,seems there is a great difference of interpretation between people,and to be factual you wouldn't pay a girlfriend before engaging in any activity,lol,just trying to be funny!

[YoungBeautyMirella 5600]

you are a smart girl sweety! @selena

[Emma Alexandra 123366]

exactly if you are gfe and the guy you meet has rotten teeth and or bad breath are you really then going to kiss him,even though you are "gfe",so I think putting gfe-ymmv is a good idea.

 

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well you would , in most probability have unprotected sex with your girlfriend to,so is it a style or does it include expected services,seems there is a great difference of interpretation between people,and to be factual you wouldn't pay a girlfriend before engaging in any activity,lol,just trying to be funny!

 

A real Gf would want more then money...she would want dinner,nights out,vacations,presents and most likely to get married...so yes she is getting paid...lmao..just saying..;-)....and even with all that you may not have sex...hahah ...that's when we come in..:-D

 

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haha yes G...babies...lmao

[Lexy Grace 103696]

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well you would , in most probability have unprotected sex with your girlfriend to,so is it a style or does it include expected services,seems there is a great difference of interpretation between people,and to be factual you wouldn't pay a girlfriend before engaging in any activity,lol,just trying to be funny!

 

To me it's about the style of encounter and intimacy. I encourage the lovely gents to let me know what they like and what I will provide during an encounter but really it's all about a fantasy and to some it is what you experience with a girlfriend before the "honeymoon" stage ends and in this business as a companion and this day in age to have unprotected sex is insane IMHO. We provide the fantasy and experience of what a girlfriend may do, not everything a girlfriend does. In actual fact or my opinion when a gent buys his SO a purse, shoes, cash to go shopping or drinks with the gals and gifts, he is paying to keep her happy, so really what is the difference from being a paid companion or a partner? The only difference is we as paid companions have fun, leave hopefully with no drama or headaches, until our next hot steamy encounter. Just my thoughts:icon_smile:

 

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A real Gf would want more then money...she would want dinner,nights out,vacations,presents and most likely to get married...so yes she is getting paid...lmao..just saying..:wink:....and even with all that you may not have sex...hahah ...that's when we come in..:grin:

 

I have to strongly agree with Emma and her comment. Nice one Emma!! Nothing like a paid companion to save the day and cure blue balls!!:-D

[LeeRichards 177238]

I have to strongly agree with Emma and her comment. Nice one Emma!! Nothing like a paid companion to save the day and cure blue balls!!:-D

 

This made me chuckle Lexy.... I always felt that my major annual donations were always towards cancer and heart research, treatment and someday cures .... but I most definately realize now that my biggest medical donation the last few years has gone towards my very own blue ball syndrome cure initally and of course now ongoing preventative treatment ;) Now I feel selfish but thx to all you wonderful ladies !!!

[Lexy Grace 103696]

This made me chuckle Lexy.... I always felt that my major annual donations were always towards cancer and heart research, treatment and someday cures .... but I most definately realize now that my biggest medical donation the last few years has gone towards my very own blue ball syndrome cure initally and of course now ongoing preventative treatment ;) Now I feel selfish but thx to all you wonderful ladies !!!

 

Preventative treatment is key Lee and I'm happy I was able to make you chuckle. On a serious note, so I've been told suffering from Blue Ball Syndrome is horrible and very much unnecessary. All the amazing Cerb companions are the perfect for sure thing cure!! There is certainly no need to feel selfish, it's your life and it should be enjoyed to the fullest:icon_wink:.

[phigment 3310]

Trust me, there is no money saved with a real gf. But babies are good, very very good.

 

A real Gf would want more then money...she would want dinner,nights out,vacations,presents and most likely to get married...so yes she is getting paid...lmao..just saying..;-)....and even with all that you may not have sex...hahah ...that's when we come in..:-D

 

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haha yes G...babies...lmao

[Emma Alexandra 123366]

Trust me, there is no money saved with a real gf. But babies are good, very very good.

 

 

Babies are the best...no matter ow old they get my boys will always be my babies..:icon_biggrin:

[roamingguy 300291]

Something to throw into the mix here. And it's been said before, in other threads. First, the only truly safe sex is masturbation. Allowing only certain services, wearing a condom, they are risk reduction, not risk elimination.

And the belief that being in a monogamous relationship with a girlfriend/wife eliminates all risks, well that is a fallacy. First, and I'm not making any judgements, how many people are married but having an affair, without their spouse knowing? And you may believe you truly know your sexual history, but your knowledge of your sexual history is only as good as what your partner(s) have told you, and in their case, it is only as good as what their partner(s) have told them, and so on and so on and so on. Partners may lie or just don't really know. With that having been said, every encounter should be done respecting each other's boundaries and comfort zones.

Just thrown in for the mix, for whatever it's worth

RG

[etasman2000 15994]

Something to throw into the mix here. And it's been said before, in other threads. First, the only truly safe sex is masturbation.

 

You gotta to be kidding! Try that after chopping some scotch bonnets :icon_eek:

[Kiara Kinkz 160]

I have a had a few members on this site try to tell me GFE meant to do everything unprotected. Personally , I have been doing "business" with many gentlemen over a two year time period and have not had any problems advertising as a GFE provider & still perform everything in the safest way possible while still having an amazing time , me and the client both!

I realized the people telling me these things were just trying to find a way to persuade me into doing something out of my comfort zone and could possible have thought that being new to the site meant being new to the industry & tried to take advantage of the situation.

 

Continue to do you , dont change your style or risk yourself for anyone , as I tell people , if you do not like what I provide you are probably not the one for me but I am positive there is a SP out here for everyone , providing just what they need to them.

 

kisses,

Kiara Kinkz *