Jasmine Rain

9 hours ago, BonnieScot said:

Well I decided to give leo list verification a try. I thought it would help me stand out from the spammers/scammers and also the ad rates are slightly better. Just as well since my responses have decreased since using the verified option. Indeed they are not the most flattering images and when you choose to post as verified Leo List shows those photos first when someone clicks on your ad. I am so frustrated. Really just thinking of ditching this selfie and verification crap and going back to my mature attractive and professional business model. Surely the link to my website in my ad proves I am real. I don't know many fakes who invest hours in creating personalized websites.

ps. the verification process for pics is horrendous .. I had to re submit my pics 3 times with new pics because I didn't do enough "different poses"  (yes, they ask for 5 different poses and pics) , sign wasn't large enough, too much boob showing ... etc etc. So if the ladies look frustrated and cross in the verified pics .....

The duh moment .. I took a couple of sexy pics last night and it occurred to me later that I should have held the leo list sign to try and get something nicer up. Or maybe not.

I agree that there must be a more professional and discreet way for Leo List to verify. I am beginning to wonder if pretty women holding up Leo List signs does more to promote them than us.

 

That sucks. However thank you sharing. 

I was seriously looking into it since I was against it so hard. I wanted to make sure I wasn't ignorantly knocking something. 

I contacted LL and asked about different options, asked about signage size and placement. They would not budge at all on their preset policies and I could tell it was as I predicted. 

They did get back to me right away and were very polite and professional. I have no issues with that but I re-affirm that I will not be verifying. 

I will spend the extra time and effort to market and brand myself professionally enough that I don't need to have verified pics. For the ladies that can't or don't want to, I get it but for me, it is just not something that will work. 

I didn't want to put this in the sticky thread because this is not about bugs in the new site.

I have seen many get their panties a little twisted because of this change in the site. I can say that with any site change over, there are bugs that take a couple of weeks to straighten out sometimes. 

So please, before you get all pissed, say this sucks and storm off with your keyboard in hand, just wait it out a bit, come back every couple of days, find bugs and report them in this thread, 

and maybe give the admin team here a bit of a break while they make all the changes and fixes. This site has given to so many, for FREE I might add, the least we can do is give them a little time to work on this with us.  

Thank you for your input James. You did the right thing by offering to pay for her inconvenience / time / cancellation. I think the problem was the man I was referring to did not even offer to pay and was dishonest. He later contacted me, apologized and admitted he was in the wrong but still did not offer to pay - I do not think he is completely comfortable in this hobby and is not ready to fully participate, I just wish I wasn't his practice piece as I am very low volume by choice (2-3 clients... a WEEK) - so when that happens it does miff me.

That sucks. I have had a few like that. Best to just ignore future contact.

Time wasters are always going to happen. But address collectors, you need to have a two step process at the very least. One step gets them to your chosen location parking lot, then they call and get the full address/apartment/buzz number etc.

I am in a house so they get a parking lot but for a building or complex, I would give the address but hold back the apartment or buzz number.

I would of course have a spot whereby you can see the client when they contact you. Some will say they are there when they are not. That is a clear address collector. When you know they are not actually there though, it is easier to tell them to fuck off.

Off topic, but I see you are traveling a few place across Canada. Just wanted to say enjoy your trips!

I had a webmaster take my material for another escort right here in TO. She was horrified when I informed her. She had no idea.

I think that would be the same thing here.

Oh now that sucks!!!

A little hint, no one on a dating site will be looking to "verify" you. When you get a line like that from a civie - run.

I wish I could give you a link to dating sites that work but I am not in that field. This is why I do the paid dating thing. Lol

References and social media accounts that are active will get you much farther.

Many ladies don't even know what P411 is anymore. Maintain your accounts and references and you should be fine.

Total conspiracy!!!! 100%.

I mean why would an incall girl who is all conviently set up, and can fit more clients in since she doesn't have consider traveling time, not want to do outcalls?

And when texting is so much faster and easier, why would she not want to talk live??? Lol

I am only kidding with you. As you can see, it is total preference.

Hahaha. That is a funny title.

Welcome to Lyla!

Some cancel the day before. Usually the morning the provider is due to leave. Most of us confirm before actually leaving and then the day of the appt as well. This usually ensures no money is wasted on a hotel.

Very much an issue still.

Naomi Nixon I believe just canceled two weeks ago stating heavy cancelations from guys.

A few others still report it happening. It is sad. Ottawa is a wonderful city and the clients you do end up actually seeing are a good bunch of guys.

Just getting them in the actual door seems a bit more difficult then most other cities.

Honestly doesn't even prove it will be the person. I know some who have had stolen "verification" photos and used them elsewhere. So still a bait and switch.

I am on record as not being a fan of the kidnap style photos.

Could be an IP range ban. So a cluster of IPs ranging in numbers were banned.

Could be a shared IP that your ISP uses and someone else in that block was banned.

Could be a few different things.

As suggested, PM Mod and see what he says. Too many variables to say for certain.

I have had to put the "bitch" face on a lot recently as well. I am not available to new clients at the moment. Some men are just not happy about that. They bug and bug and bug.

I tell them I may not be available to new clients for a month or two. Maybe more. So of course a week later "are you ready yet?" LOL

Eventually you just have to say "I am sorry but I don't think this will work for me. I wish you all the best in finding your perfect match".

Done. If they message back, block and done.

But as others have said, it is enough when YOU feel it is enough. And professional "bitch" face is always still acceptable.

GL to you sweetie.

Yay!!!!! Welcome back sweetie.

I agree with a lot that is said. I will be checking my site as I don't know what links I have anymore.

I am also not excepting new clients so I don't advertise anywhere.

I think Lyla would have a better go of it if they targeted some more Toronto and west coast members. A little revamping, a twitter account. Change takes a bit of time. There were some major changes when c36 was playing out. Now with BP and CL gone, some more changes will be happening. It is just a matter of time.

However great point about links back to Lyla. I will be changing my site soon. I will probably be closing it off actually but I will be sure to post links to Lyla. I don't know why I didn't make sure I had this before. Absent minded I guess

Reality sitcoms eh, that's some intellectually stimulating stuff.

I don't think you quite understand the words I'm putting in front of you here.

Shall we just move on?

I agreed to disagree. You are the one harping on the topic.

I love how you change my quotes though. Fun stuff. Thankfully I don't have to do the same to yours. You prove my points for me, so thanks!

I think everyone can read what you put in front them/me and draw their own conclusions now. Again, thank you!

My job here is done. :stiletto:

You just really don't like be called on things eh?

I don't "agree to disagree" when I have the facts on my side. Anonymity is anonymity whether online or otherwise. When you meet someone in person, you sacrifice a degree of anonymity, as you now have the details of their appearance, but you don't necessarily have the other pieces that make up their identity (name, address, etc). You don't have to kiss my behind, I'd settle for a rational discussion. In any case, I'm sure your "time" is far more valuable than mine, even given your niche clientele. Nice talk :)

 

ROTFLMAO!!!! I'm dying here. Like really? Please "call me on" things some more. Please. This beats watching the shitshow that is Rozanne Barr right now. LOL

Did you even read what you wrote?

1. Anonymity is anonymity....

2. When you meet someone in person, you sacrifice a degree of anonymity

You wrote those two lines. Thank you for that. You just proved my point. LOL. I am pretty sure I said the same things as number two like 3 posts ago. LOL

You cannot be anonymous when you physically meet someone. Add to that cameras in hotels, licence plates, wallets with ID, etc. Just to name a few ways of obtaining some of the other details. If someone wants to scam you, rob you, blackmail you later, they don't need to you fill out a booking form with personal info. They only need to meet you once.

Shit, I won't even get into the linking of email addys, Google account linking, smartphone linking, Facebook accounts that give friends suggestions of the SP you just saw. LOL All accidental linking of personal and hobby info. Some know how to stop this stuff but a lot don't. Not to mention those who forget to switch between the two all the time.

Do you know how many real names I find of people who have their AirDrop accounts open while sitting around the local Starbucks? LOL

There are tons of ways of finding out a person now-a-days, that no one is truly anonymous anymore. Not anyone with a car, bus pass, any form of government ID, let alone an email account, smartphone, a legit paying job, the list can go on forever.

A rational discussion needs factual points hon. Sorry. All you can reasonably hope for is discretion. Anyone who feels they are 100% anonymous is giving themselves and the others they preach to a false sense of security. I care about the industry too much to even let potential clients feel that if I can help it.

I will agree that my time is probably more valuable than yours, but only because of the fee I can charge. It is not like I think I am special or anything. I call it how it is, even when it pertains to me.

Hopefully, that finally ends this, but somehow I feel like it won't. LOL

I will say one thing if a person asks you to leave them alone - I would heed the suggestion. It is the polite and respectful thing to do. Just sayin'

Some men will always view women in this industry as a live hole to fill. You know, the ones that can't justify using a fleshlite so they reduce escorts to basically a breathing version of the toy.

Then there are others who seeks and appreciate what exactly a true companion can and does give.

I am personally not a vagina for hiring. I come with a brain and mouth I use for communicating not just as an add on apparatus to my vagina rental.

I give specials, gifts, OTC time, care and detail to my clients. I exchange txts/emails/phone calls between sessions that are not simply confirming my vagina rental slot for the day.

With my clients it is very much and give and take relationship, not just merely a transactional one.

Yes, we can agree on many things. The only thing you seem to have an issue with is the concept of anonymity and it's application in the industry. You personally exercise a degree of anonymity by using a fake name, and not showing pictures of your face. The fact that you lift the veil after screening a client does not change this reality.

 

 

 

Indeed, I understand this. I don't want to see providers that require a time consuming screening process, and divulging of personal info. You don't want to see clients like me who simply can't be bothered, we are on the same page.

 

 

 

Understood. The concept of "the customer is always right" has a deeper significance however. If you don't keep the customer happy, then they are no longer a customer. It doesn't actually indicate a potential client is never wrong. This works for you, because you don't want these clients anyways.

 

 

 

Well then you are either incorrect, or your real name is Jessica Rain, and you have some face photos that I'm unaware of. There is no "agreeing to disagree" when you are factually incorrect, it's a very binary scenario.

 

 

 

Right, I'm a uniquely delicate snowflake for seeking out providers who do in fact "give a shit", but I'm cool with that :)

 

 

 

If I were a crow, I'd be terrified right now ;)

 

 

 

Same to you.

Oh the lovely game of twisting words when being given the last word on a topic. Such a wonderfully slimy game but whatev. Nice try on the passive aggressive tho. Could use a little tweaking if I were reviewing but this is a recommendation board so.... I will just state the obvious one last time and then you can come back for the last word of attempted between the lines insults and more word twisting if you like.

It is actually laughable what you try to imply if I am being honest. So because I don't care if I am not called on by a man who doesn't like that I won't provide him with kidnap style pics that means I don't care about my clients??? Doesn't have anything to do with the fact that I already provide a website, active social media account, real recent pro and selfie pics, reviews, etc. so I feel I have done enough on my side of things to provide any potiental client with all that he needs in order to determine if he wants to book me or not? Nope. No way Jess. It could not have anything to do with that. LOL. That would mean I wrote that in the whole post that you conveniently cropped to a sentence or two in order fit your agenda and narrative.

I seriously think you don't like that I am simply not kissing ass and that is what you have a problem with. Which is funny because you enjoy ensuring that you can do the same. Since you don't give your board handle to ensure you don't have to kiss ass too right? Seems rather hypocritical. I know I know. I am the just the hooker and you are the client(even if we will never have a session) so you deserve the kissed cheek right? LOL. Sorry but no.

And no. I am not incorrect. I never said anything about hiding ones ID online. You keep alluding to that because it makes your non valid point seem valid. But what I said was any party who walks through the door where a session will take place can't not expect anonymity. That is what I said. That is what usually happens when a client and SP actually meet. Which is from my understanding the purpose of the industry. To actually meet each other. Once that is done, the only thing either side can hope for is for the other party to remain discrete. That is it. There is no anonymity in this industry when actually meeting someone. I can't believe I had to clarify that point but there it is folks.

I am still willing to agree to disagree but you don't seem to be. So you can keep speaking apples if that helps you feel you have proven something, while I speak oranges and telll how it actually is in reality. That is okay. Whatever works for you in your world. I don't need for you to judge me right or wrong on the matter to carry on with my business. As I am sure it won't affect your actual hobbying none either.

So let's try giving you the last word one more time and see if you can respectful agree to disagree or if you will continue to insist upon and infer things that simply not there.

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To the OP, I do apologize that this got derailed so much. That was not my intent when I posted. My main points for you and others:

1. Don't do what you are not comfortable with

2. Read the entire ad or website to see all the options available for screening if there are some

3. Weigh your own risks vrs the reward and see if it is worth it to you. There is always the possiblity that bad things can happen, so make sure you are good with that before you play.

I didn't think that advice would tailspin the way it did but that is the summed up version. Lol GL

You agree with me in almost every stance yet debate it like you don't. Strange but ok. Just a little re-cap, clarrifation, final stance - whatever you want to call it. Depending on how you take my deflightful personality on this one of course.

You avoid my screening which is what part of my screening is meant to do. To ensure that I waste little time in dealing with those that are not compatible with me for what ever reason. My screening is not just implemented in my booking form either. It is emcompassed in all my marketing. That is the point. I show accurate pictures because I only want clients who like my type of figure. I am not going to waste time with fake pics or overly photoshopped pics just to attract clients who won't actually be attracted to me.

My screening is also in my posts as you pointed out by carefully quoting one part of my post as to show it out of context but I stand by it anyway. I don't want clients who are not willing to equally put in the work, the time, the effort. I am not here to be a wham bam type of companion. My companionship runs longer and much different from the type of hobbying you seem enjoy. It takes work on both sides. Just like any type of long term relationship. I am the same with mainstream clients as well. Often it requires some homework on the part of the client. If the client is not willing to put in the work, I don't work with them. I have established myself enough in business and in escorting that I can pick and choose my clients and honestly say the customer is not always right which is often hard for people to hear.

So regardless of you personally, if someone, who was similar to you in inerests of extreme discretion (I will never agree with this industry being anoynmous and if you go through all that trouble, all the power to you but I can't smoke screen people from reality. Just as I would never say that a legit provider can't go bad or screened personal info as never been used against a client), who was similar in your tastes of variety, etc - he would be screened out. Which saves him time and possible money, and saves me time as well. It is a win-win. I think anyway.

But some such as yourself appear to take that raw real reality and call it a prickly personality they don't admire. It is what it is and I am fine with it. I am sure you and others will continue to use generations to dissuade men from sharing personal info. which is fine as well. There is will always be hobbyist one side saying what you are and someone else like me if it isn't me, saying what I do about the wonderful things that screening can do.

Anyway, it seem my charming personality has rubbed you the wrong way and you seem more inclined to disagreeingly agree with me for that then the actual topic at hand so thanks for the back and forth but I think this where I am done with it.

Have a good day.

Hmm, fair enough. I've never seen any provider with a form suggesting it's an either/or. Typically they ask that I fill out the form, and provide a board handle or reference in addition, but your website appears to be setup a little differently. Either way, I choose not to provide such personal info, and I rarely see the same provider often enough to bother them with a reference request. I tend toward speaking my mind on forums, because I don't see providers that require a board handle, so I don't need to pretend that I agree with everything you say just to get on your good side.

 

 

 

To each their own has already been stated. If you don't see the value of anonymity in this industry, you are more than welcome to use your real name, which I assume is not Jessica Rain (though I could be wrong), and you are welcome to show your face as well. Anonymity works for me, and will be my preferred method of interaction, until such a time as it is unfeasible. If you're just starting out, finding a legit provider that doesn't screen can seem daunting, but I'm always happy to help out any newbies via pm, as I did for James :)

I got the idea for the options based on other providers, I just added it differently in my form.

Also I don't ask for men to kiss my ass on boards and not the reason I ask for board handle. As stated, I like giving back to the community, I like guys that give back to the community. I don't care if they don't have a single lounge post. I like reading their reviews because I like to know their interests before hand. I like to know what makes them tick. What drives them wild. Whatever I can learn to make sure we have the best romp possible. Both for him and me. I don't like a dry martini and I certainly don't like a dry session.

I don't demand men fill out my form either. Nor do I expect men to fill out my form if they are not comfortable. I often refer to ladies publically and privately that use less screening. I want you to be happy with whatever provider you choose. If I can help I do. Again giving back to the community.

I love how you bring up the name though, as if that is some kind of valid counter-point. I mean you checked my site but didn't see that I invite clients to my personal private home so clearly I do share personal and private info. Hence why I equally ask for personal and private info in return. It's a quid pro quo. It is fair and it shatters your counter-point. Another great example of why reading is so important. We could have saved time not even bothering with this attempted point. Time saving is important. Time is money in my world. Both mainstream and escort. Which brings me to my next time saving point

I don't care what you do. It doesn't make no nevermind to me. We are not compatible and my screening just saved you and me both a lot of possible wasted time.

That is the dual purpose of screening. So many men think it is to be invasive. Not understanding its dual role. However many men also believe that because we offer services in a public domain that means we are available to all of the public. That is simply not true either. There seems to be a theme of some thinking things that are simply not the reality of the world.

And lastly, if you truly feel you can't be found out because you hobby "anonymously", then all the power to you. Whatever helps you get through your lay however it is completely naive to think you are anonymous. You are not even anoynmous walking down the street anymore in this tech age and it is only getting worse for those who want to be faceless. You can continue to try, and I wish you all the best if that is what you require. I am just saying maybe re-weigh those risk factors because this is not an anonymous industry at all. Every client that walks through the door can be IDed. Every lady seen in any location, can be IDed. That is the true reality. If that is too much, then play in another sandbox. In my opinion, honesty is better served raw and real, for only then will it maybe be taken seriously.

Thankfully this industry is big enough for both our ways of doing things. And thankfully being adults, we can equally agree to disagree on a few things while totally agreeing on others.

The government can't stop Nigerian scams so to expect scams to stop in this industry is just silly.

It is up to you - the client - to do your homework, not support those who use fake pics but "look close enough like her and gave good head so it is ok, and start supporting the tied and true. This will basically eliminate any possibility of being scammed.

Add in reviewing and you are now helping out the community as a whole.

Personally one of the reasons I like screening with a board handle is because accounts have to active. Which means the men I am seeing, I am also making sure they are giving back. That is how community should work in my humble opinion.

More working communities, less people being scammed.

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Nail hit firmly on the head with that one.

I will add to the men. READ!!!! Just because a form has a place for first and last name doesn't mean they are required fields. Just because a form has a place for employment doesn't mean that is the main type of screening she is looking for.

I offer employment screening but my preferred method is an active online social media/board account and 1 SP reference. No text apps and last name is optional.

So don't go based on the form, read first to know exactly what she requires. I give options because not everyone has an SP reference or an online account. Doesn't mean I like to screen that heavily.

Lastly - please remember this is actually an industry of discretion but not anonymity. There is a difference and people confuse the former for the latter. If it is too much for you not the be completely anonymous, this may be the wrong hobby for you. Do discretion, you should be good with doing your homework and research on a legit professional companion and have no troubles.

You know I respect you Jessica, I've said it to you before.

I'm glad we have this respect/agree/disagree thing going on with never stooping down to personal attacks.

I agree with you there! It is a breath of fresh air and a welcome change from most of the people I debate with. I love disagreeing with good peeps. Makes for great debate and discussion.

Hey wait, does this mean we are setting a "good" example? You know I can't let that hurt my big bad bitch rep. LOL