Athos

I know this has been covered, but without kissing, what's really the point of all the rest. For me, this hobby is about intimacy. I realize that this is precisely why some providers would prefer not to kiss, but for me it really is crucial. Without it, no matter how great everything else might be, I'll be disappointed with the session. It doesn't rule out a repeat, as I've found with some providers kissing gets better over time, but it definitely makes it less likely.

walk away ... best possible advise. Tell her that if she does, in fact, want you, then she needs to sort things out with her partner. If she really wants you, she will. then you are free to follow your heart. If she doesn't, then you'll know. You might still lose your friend, but at least you can say that you didn't betray him by having an affair with his wife when they were still married.

I'm so boring ... boxers ... white!

He will definitely be missed. One of a kind, never to be repeated.

Thanks very much ... I appreciate the kind wishes

great reminder to get the feeders out. thanks

In my experience you have nothing to worry about in disclosing some personal, verifiable information to a reputable lady from this board. The ladies understand that not everyone will have a reference. In some instances it is because it is your first time, or it may be because ladies you might have called on have retired. In any event, there are other ways of providing verification. Just ask.

I think you'll find the women on this site are incredibly competent, intelligent and professional. They are business people who have made a success of themselves. For lots of different reasons they ended up in this line of work, but I don't think any of them would consider themselves victims. I certainly wouldn't, and I don't think any of the men on this site would either.

The clients are also a wide range of people who come to this for their own sets of reasons. Sometimes they are busy professionals who don't have the time/desire to pursue a relationship, sometimes they are men who find themselves in a relationship that offers much, but not physical companionship, and sometimes they are guys like you, who are just out of a difficult relationship and need some breathing space without becoming a monk.

If you read through the various threads, you'll get a real sense of what both clients and service providers are like on this board. When you are ready to select a lady, you'll have a great knowledge base to avoid disappointment.

Good luck.

If she has fully transitioned, and physically is a woman, I see no need to disclose at all. The customer is getting exactly what they expected. Time with the woman they booked with. If the individual has not fully transitioned, then yes, disclosure is required.

I'm not sure I'd completely agree. She is a professional service provider and you are a potential client. Certainly it won't come as a surprise to her that people she might know, from all walks of live, visit SPs. I also wouldn't think she's likely to go off to her ex husband to tell him who she has as a client.

I do think, though, that this is an instance where total disclosure might be required. She might feel just as uncomfortable as you, and prefer not to see you as a customer. So if you did try and book, I'd disclose that you think you might know her from your personal lives, and see what she says. This might involve disclosing more information than you are comfortable with,but if that's the case, then staying away entirely is the best option.

Welcome ... great name for a dedicated hobbyist.

This has as much to do with schedules as anything else. For me, morning or early afternoon. weekdays are best.

Go, have coffee. Be somewhere public. See what happens. She may just want to talk with a friend who has been supportive. If she suggests anything else (takes your hand,etc.) just be polite and explain your situation and that you really value and want to continue being her friend.

If you go straight to "i don't want you to think this is a date" she might actually be offended that you misinterpreted her intentions.

never taken it off for an encounter, it has never been commented upon. I wouldn't expect it to be either. simply not an issue in my opinion. If it bothers you to leave it on, take it off. As for the lady, I'm generally far too preoccupied to notice, or care about, a ring.

Homemade tourtiere along with a green salad. Glass of red wine.

I have stayed at hotels where there was no 'do not disturb' sign available to me. And at another, even with the 'do not disturb' sign hanging on the door have had housekeeping bang on door, saying 'i know it says do not disturb but did you need any service'. lol

 

At another place someone stole my 'do not disturb' sign. Sigh.

 

So yes there is no guarantee that housekeeping can be timed properly with an appt. No matter how hard you try, stuff still happens!

stealing a "do not disturb sign" is just rude!!!

I book all my appointments via e-mail and rarely do I phone a lady unless it is part of her protocol for confirmation, screening or confirming location.

I understand it happens, but I really don't get why guys would prank or just time-waste on purpose. Makes no sense to me.

A couple of things on this.

 

First, we've lost a few members who contributed a lot and initiated a lot of discussion; they've left, or faded away, or just don't post much any more. Newer folks haven't really replaced them. Maybe it's the new legal climate, maybe it isn't. I don't know why, and I don't know what - if anything - we can do about it.

 

There's also a bit of change in perspective. When I first started reading this board, everything was new and interesting. Now, some of the stuff that I found fascinating back then is a bit... "Oh, God. Not this thread again." I think the folks who have been around a bit longer and have seen pretty much the same thread a dozen times need to remember that there are always going to be people who haven't, and newer members aren't going to find that thread from six months ago which is now on page 14 of the forum index. The board may not now be the same as it was when I first joined... but neither am I the same as I was when I first joined. Nor is anyone else who's been around for a while.

 

As for debates/discussions... yes, the balance here is difficult. Ideally people disagreeing will do so nicely, and people being disagreed with won't take it personally, but none of us are perfect. There's a difference between vehemently disagreeing with what someone wrote and attacking that person, but many of us have differing opinions on where the boundary between the two lies. It's even harder in a written forum where the subtleties of tone of voice are completely absent and comments posted in a light-hearted spirit are misinterpreted.

 

The laws have had some effect... but I think this is limited. Yes, the ladies have to advertize differently, but they seem to be managing. Recos can't be as explicit as they once were... but I've never really liked the blow-by-blow accounts much, so I'm afraid I don't care about that :). And we now can't ask questions like, "I'm looking for someone who offers..." which is kinda annoying. I hope this will change.

I've been reading this thread with interest. I left for a while, because I felt my life had moved in a different direction and I was finding the board to be taking too much of my time. I missed it for a while, then didn't miss it, then became curious again as to what was happening. I left before the change in laws, and came back after the change. I'm not sure I see a huge difference in the board because of the laws. Blocked out words, etc., are a pain. But the basic essence of what this board is, in terms of a community of like-minded group of people involved in this lifestyle, has not.

I agree completely with Phaedrus, though, that as someone who has been here for some time (though not as long as others), it can become tired. New threads on old topics. Communities have cycles ...ebbs and flows. New people come in and old people leave. The discussion cycles around. My worry would be that the legislative changes might be dissuading new members from joining. But overall, I do think the health of the community is still strong. I've missed threads where people feel they've been poorly treated. So I certainly hope that hasn't become an undercurrent. I don't necessarily see it, but I also am not very active. I'd urge everyone to keep to the philosophy of this board, which has made it so unique.

coffee ... it is always coffee!

Apologies if already posted.

Ribs! They've been cooking slowly all day!!

Happy birthday. Hope you are having a fantastic day.

making preparations for a day-trip with my daughter tomorrow. We're going to have a lot of fun.

Definitely a day to bbq! Bbq pork tenderloin, roast bbq potatoes, garden salad, and cold beer.

Athos

I just did ... after a period away I decided to return. Glad I did. But decided it was time to retire Porthos, and opt for a different name. Thought it appropriate to stay within the theme though.

Athos