Student Rates

[Nicolette Vaughn 294340]

I believe there is a strong correlation with social media and instant gratification with today's younger generation. I'm old school. In my day, we were taught to respect people and that asking for something in any given situation that wasn't being offered was considered very ignorant and rude. And if you did do such a thing, well the consequences were definitely not a good outcome.

 

Nowadays, it seems as though none of this applies. I really do think advancements in technology have changed the way we converse with people. Everyone wants to text now and sometimes even getting a customer to phone to give location details can be like pulling teeth.

 

I suppose the same can be applied with expecting discounts. Being good looking, young or hung do not pay my bills. How is that supposed to help with my quality of life or my business or anything else for that matter? I'm offering a service, not looking for a boyfriend so none of the above apply in this situation. I do not discriminate when it comes to a person's looks in my business. Being polite and hygienic are the two most significant characteristics an escort will look for.

 

It's what some people want, when they want it and they want it now! There is a new generation of clients stepping forward in this industry but there are certainly self entitlement issues going on there that I do not see with more mature gentlemen.

[mrgreen760 37785]

"It's what some people want, when they want it and they want it now! There is a new generation of clients stepping forward in this industry but there are certainly self entitlement issues going on there that I do not see with more mature gentlemen"

 

This is the way of world now, ask any employer out there and if they are of the older demographic and they will bemoan the same issues. Whether it be smart phones in the work place, dress codes or employee expectations they've had to adapt or have no staff. This game parallels where society is at and where it's going. Golf is a dieing industry because the youngins have no interest in taking 4 hours to do any thing. It's all about the moment not moments. BP is the classic example where it's an ad and cell phone stating texting preferred and it's about that day not next week or next month, it's today. So it's not only clients but providers as well. There will be a want and need for a different kind of service but as the older demo starts to disappear a new order will be much more the norm. One can never go backward only forward and all businesses have to ultimately adapt or die.

 

Peace

MG

[misterdiscretion2014 2032]

A few reasons why trying to negotiate a rate with an sp is a bad idea:

 

1) It's dehumanizing. Sure, it's a business transaction in a capitalist society, but do you really want to associate that with intimacy? You think it's a good idea to try to lower a provider's self-valuation? That's a real life, living, breathing human you're dealing with, are you sure you want to try to tell her what you think she's worth, the same way you would when buying something on kijiji? It's difficult to imagine that anyone who thinks that way has much respect for the other person

 

2) It's tacky. Negotiating in any environment where the price is made clear is never a good look. Have you ever seen that guy in Best Buy trying to barter with a minimum wage employee over the price of a television? Nobody likes that guy

 

3) It's a fantasy breaker. I realize not everyone is like me, but I think the fantasy element of this hobby is a really big deal, and nothing ruins an illusion quite like haggling. Anything intimate or romantic you say will ring as painfully insincere when your first contact is focused on cost.

 

Just my take, not meaning to hang anyone out to dry, just trying to point out what others might not see as obvious.

[Eric Northman 16522]

The only 'discount' I've ever heard of offered by an SP (aside from promotional prices) is the notion of a 'retainer' type arrangement whereby you pay for a bunch of sessions in advance but get a premium rate.

 

So if the normal rate was $250 an hour, she might say "Pay for 5 sessions in advance and I'll charge $220/hr". Not sure how viable that is in general but I could see where a well trusted and established provider might offer something like that to valued regulars.

[Pippen23 1031]

If there's such a case of a student "rate" then I will sure glad to go back to school until I am 65...then I will sure hope to get senior "discount" :)

 

I kid I joke....

 

Cheers yall :)

[Nicolette Vaughn 294340]

"It's what some people want, when they want it and they want it now! There is a new generation of clients stepping forward in this industry but there are certainly self entitlement issues going on there that I do not see with more mature gentlemen"

 

This is the way of world now, ask any employer out there and if they are of the older demographic and they will bemoan the same issues. Whether it be smart phones in the work place, dress codes or employee expectations they've had to adapt or have no staff. This game parallels where society is at and where it's going. Golf is a dieing industry because the youngins have no interest in taking 4 hours to do any thing. It's all about the moment not moments. BP is the classic example where it's an ad and cell phone stating texting preferred and it's about that day not next week or next month, it's today. So it's not only clients but providers as well. There will be a want and need for a different kind of service but as the older demo starts to disappear a new order will be much more the norm. One can never go backward only forward and all businesses have to ultimately adapt or die.

 

Peace

MG

 

Maybe so but remember that this business is an intimate one that is hardly comparable to any other type of service and first impressions are long lasting. Every business has a target market. 20 something guys aren't my target market. Yes, the business will always evolve but being polite and courteous are two qualities that good prospective clients will have and will ALWAYS be sought out by women in this business. Asking for a discount is not one of them and age doesn't excuse that fact either.

[Flipmatic 214]

I think I can see both points of view, being a student and having limited amount of money coupled with loneliness can lead to partaking in this industry. I for one haven't asked about discounts because I see the advertised rates and being a shy, polite young man I wouldn't ask about discounts. I never for a second thought it would be rude to ask about discounts because there are some providers who say in their ads " ask about discounts". I personally don't think it's a big deal.

 

From the other side, I can see it being annoying. I work in retail, which is arguably the most annoying field to be in, granted there isn't a great deal of risk as being a provider but we get the same questions about discounts. It's aggravating sure but it comes with the territory, everyone is always looking for a deal.

 

I can understand the annoyance/frustration of having discounts be inquired about but there's an incredibly simple solution to it. Simply reply," No, I don't offer discounts".

 

Please understand that I know people who are checking these sites SHOULD know not to ask about discounts ( but we have to accept the fact that people nowadays seem to ignorant and self-unaware in pretty much every aspect of daily life).

 

I have an opinion that may not be popular here with our extremely lovely and accomadating SP's. I believe that you're being a little bit bitchy about this when as I've said before, reply with " no, I don't offer....", and it's done. It's a question, you can answer it and there we go. I am completely guilty of the same thing in my job as I get worked up over annoying people as well but it's a part of my job. I work in a grocery store and have customers come up to my counter and look at food and ask how much something is without even looking at the menu which can be viewed with a simple tilt up of the head. As well as asking if they can have a discount because it's a little bit later in the evening, my store actually keeps the food and makes entrees for the next day and still customers will give me dirty looks about not getting a discount, I just say "sorry", and walk away or serve someone else. I feel for you, and thanks for reading my vent about shitty customers.

[misterdiscretion2014 2032]

I have an opinion that may not be popular here with our extremely lovely and accomadating SP's. I believe that you're being a little bit bitchy about this when as I've said before, reply with " no, I don't offer....", and it's done. It's a question, you can answer it and there we go. I am completely guilty of the same thing in my job as I get worked up over annoying people as well but it's a part of my job. I work in a grocery store and have customers come up to my counter and look at food and ask how much something is without even looking at the menu which can be viewed with a simple tilt up of the head. As well as asking if they can have a discount because it's a little bit later in the evening, my store actually keeps the food and makes entrees for the next day and still customers will give me dirty looks about not getting a discount, I just say "sorry", and walk away or serve someone else. I feel for you, and thanks for reading my vent about shitty customers.

 

I am sure you had only the best intentions, but that first part where you generalize that the sp's are being a little bit bitchy is not going to make you many friends. Also, comparing a service provider to groceries probably isn't going to open a lot of doors for you either. I understand that it may seem like a harmless question, but questioning the value of intimacy with a woman is slightly different from people not being able to find the rotisserie chicken.

[Eric Northman 16522]

I would make an argument that the main reason for offering any sort of discount is to increase volume. Ladies set prices such that they are achieving close to their desired volume. When a lady offers a 'special', I imagine it would usually be to increase volume.

 

Another reason for specials is to attract new clientele. This is where the notion of targeted advertisement (student rates, seniors discount) can be used to cherry-pick the demographic of clientele you wish to attract. The general consensus around here seems to be that young men tend to be more problematic than older ones so there's really no motivation for a student discount. They neither wish to increase the volume of young men visiting or attract young men as new clientele.

 

Based on the general preference for older and regular clients I could potentially see motivation for a seniors discount but again, as others have pointed out, logistic concerns abound. Certainly the notion of discounts for regulars could be used as a way to both establish and keep regular clients if that's what someone would like to do. Doesn't devalue the ladies service but rather serves as a 'loyalty rewards program' to show regular clients that they are appreciated.

[Flipmatic 214]

I don't mean to compare the value between those two things. My point is that both are a "customer service" position, you'll get asked questions that you have to deal with regardless of what you're offering.

[roamingguy 300291]

I think I can see both points of view, being a student and having limited amount of money coupled with loneliness can lead to partaking in this industry. I for one haven't asked about discounts because I see the advertised rates and being a shy, polite young man I wouldn't ask about discounts. I never for a second thought it would be rude to ask about discounts because there are some providers who say in their ads " ask about discounts". I personally don't think it's a big deal.

 

From the other side, I can see it being annoying. I work in retail, which is arguably the most annoying field to be in, granted there isn't a great deal of risk as being a provider but we get the same questions about discounts. It's aggravating sure but it comes with the territory, everyone is always looking for a deal.

 

I can understand the annoyance/frustration of having discounts be inquired about but there's an incredibly simple solution to it. Simply reply," No, I don't offer discounts".

 

Please understand that I know people who are checking these sites SHOULD know not to ask about discounts ( but we have to accept the fact that people nowadays seem to ignorant and self-unaware in pretty much every aspect of daily life).

 

I have an opinion that may not be popular here with our extremely lovely and accomadating SP's. I believe that you're being a little bit bitchy about this when as I've said before, reply with " no, I don't offer....", and it's done. It's a question, you can answer it and there we go. I am completely guilty of the same thing in my job as I get worked up over annoying people as well but it's a part of my job. I work in a grocery store and have customers come up to my counter and look at food and ask how much something is without even looking at the menu which can be viewed with a simple tilt up of the head. As well as asking if they can have a discount because it's a little bit later in the evening, my store actually keeps the food and makes entrees for the next day and still customers will give me dirty looks about not getting a discount, I just say "sorry", and walk away or serve someone else. I feel for you, and thanks for reading my vent about shitty customers.

 

Most ladies answer that question in their websites already, with the general comment, "no negotiating my rates" So a prospective client asking to negotiate her rate, under the guise of a student discount, doesn't even do the lady the basic courtesy of reading her website. Ladies don't mind answering questions that may not be covered in their websites, but getting asked a question already covered in their websites must be annoying.

If a client (including student) sees a lady's website, sees her rates are too much for his budget don't waste her time by trying to haggle under the guise of being a student. Ladies care if the prospective client is a gentlemen, not if he is a student.

A rambling

 

RG

[Flipmatic 214]

I agree, but we all have to realize and accept that a lot of potential clients aren't going to read websites, etc. and you're going to get questions. Playing devil's advocate, on the other side of the situation, everyone has been in a position where they are trying to get the best value for the lowest price, I don't like how it's apparently rampant enough in this industry to warrant having a thread about it. It's my two cents and opinion, though please keep in mind, I agree with the ladies in that everyone interested in visiting them, should do research and abide by rules that have been set out by the ladies themselves.

[Meaghan McLeod 179664]

One thing to remember however, this site does have a rule about ladies who advertise on this site. So unless the lady specifically states she is open to negotiating, lyla members are not allowed to negotiate their rates.

 

See this post if you haven't read it already.

 

https://www.lyla.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=495149&postcount=343

[mrgreen760 37785]

"One thing to remember however, this site does have a rule about ladies who advertise on this site. So unless the lady specifically states she is open to negotiating, lyla members are not allowed to negotiate their rates"

 

I assume you mean through communication of this site. Lots of communication if not most goes on off-site so how could this "rule" be possible enforced?

 

Just curious.

 

Peace

MG

[nevets 326]

Have you ever been to any university parties?? These kids blow money!! Parents pay tuition to very expensive universities and they also have women coming out of their ears!! Don't fall for the "I'm poor syndrome" They have money!!! This thread is a joke!!

[VedaSloan 119179]

I would make an argument that the main reason for offering any sort of discount is to increase volume. Ladies set prices such that they are achieving close to their desired volume. When a lady offers a 'special', I imagine it would usually be to increase volume.

 

Another reason for specials is to attract new clientele. This is where the notion of targeted advertisement (student rates, seniors discount) can be used to cherry-pick the demographic of clientele you wish to attract. The general consensus around here seems to be that young men tend to be more problematic than older ones so there's really no motivation for a student discount. They neither wish to increase the volume of young men visiting or attract young men as new clientele.

 

Based on the general preference for older and regular clients I could potentially see motivation for a seniors discount but again, as others have pointed out, logistic concerns abound. Certainly the notion of discounts for regulars could be used as a way to both establish and keep regular clients if that's what someone would like to do. Doesn't devalue the ladies service but rather serves as a 'loyalty rewards program' to show regular clients that they are appreciated.

 

Offering any discount or special, in the long-term is bad for our business.

 

1. It implies you're not doing well.

2. The clients who paid the special rate won't pay the full rate, so any increase in clients is temporary.

3. The lower your rate the more clients you have to see to pay your bills, which means you burn out faster.

[Kate von Katz 49953]

I feel for you, and thanks for reading my vent about shitty customers.

 

No one likes dealing with a shitty customer, so why are you making excuses for one?

 

It's really simple: do not ask for discounts EXCEPT SOLELY IN CASES WHERE IT IS CLEARLY ADVERTISED. If you don't see it advertised in a companion's ad or website, don't ask. Pretty easy.

 

Since grocery related analogies are your thing, here's one for ya: Grocery stores do price-matching if another store has a special on. Companions don't. Capisce? Good.

[misterdiscretion2014 2032]

I know financial limitations can really suck (and not in a sexy way), but the sooner we accept them and move on, the better off we are. There are some actresses in the adult film industry who tour as service providers, and while there are a few I crush pretty hard on, I have resigned to the fact that I'm not going to be spending a weekend with the Brea Olsens of the world, and that's not really something to cry about, it's just a reality of my financial situation.

 

And as an interesting side note, for people who are afraid to give out their personal information to a provider, you should check out the application form you have to fill out to see some of the adult film actresses - banks don't require as much to mortgage your house :p

[Flipmatic 214]

No one likes dealing with a shitty customer, so why are you making excuses for one?

 

No where am I making excuses for anyone. Though apparently it's alright for a companion to not have to deal with a shitty customer, where other industries it's alright? Again please, I don't believe anyone should have to deal with shitty customers, least of all companions.

 

It's really simple: do not ask for discounts EXCEPT SOLELY IN CASES WHERE IT IS CLEARLY ADVERTISED. If you don't see it advertised in a companion's ad or website, don't ask. Pretty easy.

 

A lot of people don't look at websites, I believe they should, but they don't, such is life.

 

Since grocery related analogies are your thing, here's one for ya: Grocery stores do price-matching if another store has a special on. Companions don't. Capisce? Good.

 

Not every grocery store price matches, they all have different policies just like companions have different rules.

 

[Nicolette Vaughn 294340]

No one likes dealing with a shitty customer, so why are you making excuses for one?

 

No where am I making excuses for anyone. Though apparently it's alright for a companion to not have to deal with a shitty customer, where other industries it's alright? Again please, I don't believe anyone should have to deal with shitty customers, least of all companions.

 

It's really simple: do not ask for discounts EXCEPT SOLELY IN CASES WHERE IT IS CLEARLY ADVERTISED. If you don't see it advertised in a companion's ad or website, don't ask. Pretty easy.

 

A lot of people don't look at websites, I believe they should, but they don't, such is life.

 

Since grocery related analogies are your thing, here's one for ya: Grocery stores do price-matching if another store has a special on. Companions don't. Capisce? Good.

 

Not every grocery store price matches, they all have different policies just like companions have different rules.

 

 

I understand what you're saying and when someone asks for a discount, I tell them "Rates are firm". In fact, I say this in my ads and don't get many negotiators anymore maybe because I'm not using the word "No" which is sometimes all people hear and that's what some advertisers will end up getting.

 

I shut these guys down by saying "Rates are firm". To any SPs, try putting this in your ad instead of saying "No negotiating". It works because you're not attracting negativity because there are no negative words in there and they get the point.

 

However, what happens when an escort has told them no and goodbye and they are still texting refusing no for an answer? I have no patience for this but I've witnessed it happen with other escort friends of mine where some of these guys are actually acting like shitheads ( yep that's the term I use for rudeness) claim they can get a discount with xxx for xxx? Okay, well go and see that person yet they are still texting and trust me some of these shit disturbers won't take no for an answer. Sometimes they text for hours to the point where a person has to block them.

 

Luckily for me I don't engage them and don't seem to attract them because I will get real bitchy very fast if they pull those stunts with me. Guys in my target market, accept the price and either see me or move on. I won't tolerate it. A person would be very surprised if they were able to see the type of text messages an escort can receive specifically related to this discussion. It's crazy!