Rookie reference question

[superjackjujitsu 140]

Hello guys, I am new to the hobby and to the cerb as well, consider myself as first timer.

I have seen ads that sp ask for references pior to the bookings. I think its neccesssay and reasonable as they need to know who they going to provide services too. I am the same way

Thanks to Cerb.As I only contact sp who has great reviews myself for my personal safety and smooth experience. So far I have provided some Sps a brief introduction about myself ...i.e what I do for living.. age...ect.

Hobbists and Ladies, please help the rookie here any thoughts....

Thanks

Jack

[Mikeyboy 27113]

The "catch 22" question....How to get references when you don't have any references to give!

 

Many sp's require them, and it seems even more common for the travelling girls. I suspect that this is not only for safety reasons, but also to make sure that the hobbyist is actually someone who is likely to show up and not waste their valuable and limited time. Many of the local girls don't require this. Having a good reputation here and getting to know them a bit through cerb helps too.

 

Hope this helps. Good luck ;)

[roamingguy 300292]

Started this wonderful hobby this year, so I know the catch 22.

Begin by seeing a lady who doesn't need a reference. There are ladies that don't require one.

When you see the lady, be a gentleman, and have good hygiene. Good hygiene, self explanatory. As for gentleman, respect her boundries, be courtious, pay up front...in short be nice and respectful.

Also, prior to the meeting, ask her if there is anything you should know, helps with the boundries.

No blocked numbers

Good luck

Have fun

[Mikeyboy 27113]

Great advice Roaminguy (as always!)

[2tuff2tame 247]

I think roamingguy hit on all the great points. I might add if you do see a Lady and want to use her as a reference make sure she knows this. Just because a lady seen you once does not mean she's going to vouch for you with another. After all it is their Rep when the give you a reference. Enjoy the Hobby !!!!1

[namssa 562]

Although the OP did not a actually ask a question in his post, it can be assumed that he is indeed looking for information on how to go about getting a reference from a SP.

 

One thing I did note that could potentially be a concern is the personal information that OP provides to the SP that he wants to see. Of course, 99.8% of the ladies on CERB are upstanding and there is no reason to have concerns about their integrity. There is however, a small percentage of ladies that could possibly use some personal information that the OP may divulge to harm him in some way should the relationship turn bad. Be very careful about any identifying and personal information that you may provide. Although this is a very small concern, I feel that it is something that should be pointed out to anyone that may be new and not be aware of what could possibly happen.

 

 

The following I have taken from another post that I made in another similar thread and modified it to suit the OP's question.

 

As a new member with no references and very few postings, it can be difficult to see the occasional SP if they request one. When I started a few years ago, I was in exactly the same situation. I read the boards thoroughly for about 3 months to absorb all the information and techniques for how to approach this hobby. Although you don't need to read for that long, I would suggest reading quite a lot in the beginning, especially the newbies section, the sticky's and learn all that you can, it will pay off in spades down the road.

 

After you have a good feel how CERB works and have a good feel for things, find a good quality lady to see that does not require a reference, I suggest one that has good recommendations here, you are attracted to and meets any other requirements you have. Note any requirements she has for contact, meeting, donations, etc. and follow them. Be polite when you contact her, be very clear in what you are looking for and understand what she is offering in a session. When you have found the girl you want, book a session, make sure you are very well groomed, dressed nicely, polite and friendly when you meet. Arrive a few minutes early if you are going to see her, and follow her rules (phone or text when you are near, etc) for contact, be very discrete if you are seeing her at her hotel or incall. When you get to her door, knock quietly and wait, it will seem like a long time, but it is not, lol. When the door opens, she will likely be behind it and poke her head out....smile and quietly say, "hi", and in you go. After the session, if you had a great time, take a few minutes and post a recommendation on CERB of your experience.

 

The next thing you should do is contribute to the board whenever you can with accurate and positive information. Become a regular contributor, the girls will read and note your posts and your recommendation will be noted in memory of future girls that you see. Build a good, solid reputation as a great guy for the ladies to see and as a good contributor to CERB. If you do the above, you will be able to use many of the girls that you have seen for a reference. Before using a lady as a reference, make sure you ask them and have their approval. You may want to BCC the lady that is the reference the information that you send to the lady seeking the reference so that she is fully aware of what you have sent. This could prevent some possible miscommunication between the ladies in question.

 

If you do the above, it will take you a long way to seeing the ladies that request a reference and you will be able to provide one with ease and confidence. After some time, your reputation may precede you and in some cases you may not be asked for a reference even though the lady states that she needs one.

 

I hope the above may help you in your endeavour to see some of these fine ladies.

 

namssa

[etasman2000 15994]

The "catch 22" question....How to get references when you don't have any references to give!

 

It is possible to short cut all this by using an adult verification service like Date Check or Adult Check. Google for AVS and there is a long list of them.

[superjackjujitsu 140]

Great info Namssa, very detailed guidelines. much appreciated.

Jack

 

Although the OP did not a actually ask a question in his post, it can be assumed that he is indeed looking for information on how to go about getting a reference from a SP.

 

One thing I did note that could potentially be a concern is the personal information that OP provides to the SP that he wants to see. Of course, 99.8% of the ladies on CERB are upstanding and there is no reason to have concerns about their integrity. There is however, a small percentage of ladies that could possibly use some personal information that the OP may divulge to harm him in some way should the relationship turn bad. Be very careful about any identifying and personal information that you may provide. Although this is a very small concern, I feel that it is something that should be pointed out to anyone that may be new and not be aware of what could possibly happen.

 

 

The following I have taken from another post that I made in another similar thread and modified it to suit the OP's question.

 

 

As a new member with no references and very few postings, it can be difficult to see the occasional SP if they request one. When I started a few years ago, I was in exactly the same situation. I read the boards thoroughly for about 3 months to absorb all the information and techniques for how to approach this hobby. Although you don't need to read for that long, I would suggest reading quite a lot in the beginning, especially the newbies section, the sticky's and learn all that you can, it will pay off in spades down the road.

 

After you have a good feel how CERB works and have a good feel for things, find a good quality lady to see that does not require a reference, I suggest one that has good recommendations here, you are attracted to and meets any other requirements you have. Note any requirements she has for contact, meeting, donations, etc. and follow them. Be polite when you contact her, be very clear in what you are looking for and understand what she is offering in a session. When you have found the girl you want, book a session, make sure you are very well groomed, dressed nicely, polite and friendly when you meet. Arrive a few minutes early if you are going to see her, and follow her rules (phone or text when you are near, etc) for contact, be very discrete if you are seeing her at her hotel or incall. When you get to her door, knock quietly and wait, it will seem like a long time, but it is not, lol. When the door opens, she will likely be behind it and poke her head out....smile and quietly say, "hi", and in you go. After the session, if you had a great time, take a few minutes and post a recommendation on CERB of your experience.

 

The next thing you should do is contribute to the board whenever you can with accurate and positive information. Become a regular contributor, the girls will read and note your posts and your recommendation will be noted in memory of future girls that you see. Build a good, solid reputation as a great guy for the ladies to see and as a good contributor to CERB. If you do the above, you will be able to use many of the girls that you have seen for a reference. Before using a lady as a reference, make sure you ask them and have their approval. You may want to BCC the lady that is the reference the information that you send to the lady seeking the reference so that she is fully aware of what you have sent. This could prevent some possible miscommunication between the ladies in question.

 

If you do the above, it will take you a long way to seeing the ladies that request a reference and you will be able to provide one with ease and confidence. After some time, your reputation may precede you and in some cases you may not be asked for a reference even though the lady states that she needs one.

 

I hope the above may help you in your endeavour to see some of these fine ladies.

 

namssa

[EmilyRushton 253356]

Just my 2 cents...

All the information provided has been great, but if there is a lady you do wish to visit with who does require a reference, let her know in your inital communication with her (as there are other screening methods offered by some ladies other than a provider reference)

 

I hope this may also help...

 

Emily

[quick25 137]

Thanks, I never visted a SP who needed reco's from another SP, but now I know what to do. But as stated before you sort of fall into your own pre visit procedures like showering. I'm sure all this will let you have a amazing time with the SP or your choice. The SP's that are in, and visit Halifax are amazing and I have a few good ones you may want to see. PM me. Have fun!

[Summer Meadows 1676]

Just wanted to pop in to say noone needs a reference to come and see me in Halifax. You must book first through email/pm and then phone me from a halifax number/cell for my exact address when you're in the neighbourhood.

If everyone demanded a reference how would new guys get into the business???

Why would I give other girls references for clients? Why would I trust girls I never met to send only good cleints my way? How 'safe' is that? Plus SOMEONE has to see new guys or the business would die out eventually LOL! We should all do our part. ;)

I've worked in T.O, Vancouver, Vcitoria and Calgary at agencys and indy and never heard of this reference stuff until I found C.E.R.B so I'd say to the new clients, not to worry too much about it. There are MANY girls who do not ask for a reference from another girl. Yes I see the safety in it but not the logic. Sorry. Just my 2cents. ok let me have it...

[Lexy Grace 103696]

Just wanted to pop in to say noone needs a reference to come and see me in Halifax. You must book first through email/pm and then phone me from a halifax number/cell for my exact address when you're in the neighbourhood.

If everyone demanded a reference how would new guys get into the business???

 

I do agree with Summer in what I have quoted from her. I don't require references either, just a name, cell/room phone number and CERB handle if they are a member, that is how I get to enjoy first timers and new hobbyist. Now if a gentleman seems questionable I will ask the other SP's. 99% I don't bother with the refernece aspect.

[Emma Alexandra 123366]

Just wanted to pop in to say noone needs a reference to come and see me in Halifax. You must book first through email/pm and then phone me from a halifax number/cell for my exact address when you're in the neighbourhood.

If everyone demanded a reference how would new guys get into the business???

Why would I give other girls references for clients? Why would I trust girls I never met to send only good cleints my way? How 'safe' is that? Plus SOMEONE has to see new guys or the business would die out eventually LOL! We should all do our part. ;)

I've worked in T.O, Vancouver, Vcitoria and Calgary at agencys and indy and never heard of this reference stuff until I found C.E.R.B so I'd say to the new clients, not to worry too much about it. There are MANY girls who do not ask for a reference from another girl. Yes I see the safety in it but not the logic. Sorry. Just my 2cents. ok let me have it...

 

I'm a travelling sp from Halifax...who does require a reference and have had no trouble getting the ladies to verify the gentlemen even if i haven't met the lady. We are all in the same biz and most ladies understand why we ask for references...we don't want to know much about the guy just if they are respectable and on-time for the most part.

I've also seen many gentelmen who couldn't provide a reference...but they have given me their number and name or were verified by a service like date-check or perferred 411 even the guys on here who are established members.

I started asking for references because different provinces and the US have different laws...i have to protect myself not only from the law and gents but other ladies as well...{the ladies that just ask someone to book me and then the guy not show up}. So yes references are very important for so many reasons and yes we sometimes toftt for the other ladies. When all is said and done it makes this life style much safier and more enjoyable.

kisses,

Emma

[VictoriaJolie 64127]

I've worked in T.O, Vancouver, Vcitoria and Calgary at agencys and indy and never heard of this reference stuff until I found C.E.R.B so I'd say to the new clients, not to worry too much about it. There are MANY girls who do not ask for a reference from another girl. Yes I see the safety in it but not the logic. Sorry. Just my 2cents. ok let me have it...

 

May i ask where you advertising before cerb as reference is not new to Calgary and i would say that at least 50% of ladies require it.I can only assume that you were working for an agencies that didn't have BYlaws as a concern.

I don't understand where you don't see the logic of reference check?Do you care to enlight me?

 

I think that newbie should be aware of the many reasons why sps ask for reference or other form of verifications

first to the misbelieve of many..It is not legalize...

And hosting an incall is illegal

Second each province have their own regulations when it comes to escorts

on Alberta it is strongly reinforce to have a escort license(only good for outcall)

Other provinces like Manitoba,Nova scotia do have a bylaw that is concern about escorts..There where bust happen

 

Second reason why a lady would like a reference...It is to know if you are indeed a reliable person,not dangerous,not shorting ladies

 

 

An other reason of reference is to see if you are indeed compatible

 

 

I welcome newbie without reference but will verify them in an other way.

 

I don't judge the girls that don't bother to ask reference but i personnally do not wish to expose myself to face the laws,neither than been rip off or assault.

I also became selective of who accept reference from as some ladies pretty much take any requests randomly and don't even know who they have seen or not .

 

In the area where i require references i can attest that the number of ncns i have is minimum to none

 

I start in the USA where verifying gents is the norm and when i start working in Canada i remember how for some it was completly news for them to have to provide any sort of informations...Over the time it has become more the norm as more escorts,populations has grow are now working and travelling and aware that even though canada is more open that there is still risks involve

VJ

[raindancer 121]

Glad to see that there are many choices available for us newbies without the requirement for references. I respect those that require it though. My 2 cents for what it is worth.

[Emma Alexandra 123366]

I totally agree with Vj...i started in Halifax but with an agency that didn't look for references and it wasnt to my liking..or safty...then i went to NYC to work for 6 months and it is the norm there to ask..so since then i will check my gents out via another lady who has seen him or other means. We are not doing this for any other reason then to be safe and as VJ says to see if we are compatiable.. i have let some men see me on their word but that is rare and not really my style. Most men have no problem giving a reference...it's not like we\re married to the guys we seem,lol...this biz is for fun and pleasure. so peace of mind is a good thing.

[roamingguy 300292]

For what it's worth, when I started hobbying, the very first "lady" I saw should have needed a reference (she was that bad)...but it's lesson learned

But to those ladies who I had the good fortune and pleasure to meet without the need for a reference, it's very much appreciated

And for those ladies that I've seen, or will see, but required a reference as part of the screening, I certainly have no problem providing one (or if needs be, more) I can see from the ladies viewpoint why they would like some reference.

I would assume the reference just lets ladies know the guy they are about to meet intimately and alone isn't dangerous, is on time, pays in full, and has good hygiene...completely understandable why a reference is sometimes requested

For what it's worth

RG

[PistolPete 61421]

Just a comment on references-

Having seen Emma and Victoria, I applaud their decision and their process. In fact ,for myself, I had submitted references for both ladies even though I was well into my hobbying days. It keeps the ladies safe, and it is their way of conducting their business, it worked out rather well for me with these ladies ;).

 

For a newbie starting, I do believe that once you fill out the forms and are honest and upfront with information it really does not hamper you from not seeing a lady that requests a reference.

[EmilyRushton 253356]

If everyone demanded a reference how would new guys get into the business???

Why would I give other girls references for clients? Why would I trust girls I never met to send only good cleints my way? How 'safe' is that? Plus SOMEONE has to see new guys or the business would die out eventually LOL! We should all do our part. ;)

I've worked in T.O, Vancouver, Vcitoria and Calgary at agencys and indy and never heard of this reference stuff until I found C.E.R.B so I'd say to the new clients, not to worry too much about it. There are MANY girls who do not ask for a reference from another girl. Yes I see the safety in it but not the logic. Sorry. Just my 2cents. ok let me have it...

 

First off, your thoughts towards how other ladies conduct their business really stinks. Why are you so negative towards the rest of us? Considering that this is an industry where you really cannot afford to have enemies and we should all be helping one another to stay safe. If you don't like how some ladies conduct their business please keep it to yourself. It is my choice to screen and verify who I visit with as it is yours to book by phone.

 

If someone does not have a reference, they can be screened in other ways. so if they are new to the hobby they can still plan a visit.

 

The logic behind it is to keep you safe plain and simple. If you want to allow anyone in your personal space go right on ahead, I won't knock you for it nor will I tell you how to run your business. Would you not feel better knowing that because you took 5 mins to check a reference that you could have prevented a bad date from happening? Why would another lady ask you to vouch for a client, for the same reason her safety.

 

I do not know where your negative thoughts on other "why would I trust another lady to send me a good client" I am not sending you a client I am vouching for his character. Not all ladies are vendictive and mean. References and verification are starting to become the norm.

[VictoriaJolie 64127]

"Why would I give other girls references for clients? Why would I trust girls I never met to send only good cleints my way? "

 

Wow i completly miss that part..:aggressif025:

 

Why would you give other girls reference?Well there is ladies i do not like in this industry and i will still provide reference as this is the least i can do to the client i have met..That has been nice with me..is to give him a good reference so he can see the lady he has choose to see.

 

It seem by your reactions that you are scare to loose clients by giving references

We do not own any clients and the reason they are pooning is the liberty to see who they wish to see without any pressure or drama coming from an other woman.

 

Why would you trust a lady you have never seen to send clients your way?

 

Technicly i won't be sending it "your way" As if you contact me for a reference is that they already find you by his own...

So why would you trust a lady you never met...Because in general ladies have the same interest in common...Avoiding waste of time,bad people,Bylaw

I personally do no wish to an other escort to have guys wasting her time,or not paying her

In a community we share informations in order to progress,improve,help

 

You never know when you might need help of an other lady...Life sometime ironicly made.

 

You would be surprise by networking with others ladies(some of them we become friends) that i have avoid guys that have been doing the same shit to 1-2-3 girls and been able to get away with it because they don't communicate fearing competition.

 

 

 

 

VJ

[superjackjujitsu 140]

VictoriaJolie, thanks for your info. it definiately makes sense especially ladies in this industry going though quite bit risk, it makes sense for ladies to share the info among themselves, hobbyists get to have more fun, and ladies will have safe encounters.

 

from all the posts, it seems reasons to get ref are ... 1) make sure clients show up 2) legal issue 3) personal safety.

 

 

"Why would I give other girls references for clients? Why would I trust girls I never met to send only good cleints my way? "

 

Wow i completly miss that part..:aggressif025:

 

Why would you give other girls reference?Well there is ladies i do not like in this industry and i will still provide reference as this is the least i can do to the client i have met..That has been nice with me..is to give him a good reference so he can see the lady he has choose to see.

 

It seem by your reactions that you are scare to loose clients by giving references

We do not own any clients and the reason they are pooning is the liberty to see who they wish to see without any pressure or drama coming from an other woman.

 

Why would you trust a lady you have never seen to send clients your way?

 

Technicly i won't be sending it "your way" As if you contact me for a reference is that they already find you by his own...

So why would you trust a lady you never met...Because in general ladies have the same interest in common...Avoiding waste of time,bad people,Bylaw

I personally do no wish to an other escort to have guys wasting her time,or not paying her

In a community we share informations in order to progress,improve,help

 

You never know when you might need help of an other lady...Life sometime ironicly made.

 

You would be surprise by networking with others ladies(some of them we become friends) that i have avoid guys that have been doing the same shit to 1-2-3 girls and been able to get away with it because they don't communicate fearing competition.

 

 

 

 

VJ

[Carrie Moon 68826]

I get the part Summer's talking about with having worked several years before the internet was around.. references weren't a thing any of us (from the pre-internet days) are used to.. I still don't require them myself because I'm not touring. BUT I'm happy to give them. If and when I tour.. I'll likely require them as well.

 

It's hard for girls to understand if they don't tour perhaps. It's a completely different set of rules. The overhead is much greater.. and the demand is often greater to see a touring girl so of course one would opt for a gent with good references when a no show is of greater bottom line cost to a provider for that reason alone.

 

Ladies who tour often as well as began their career when the internet was already a medium of contact would be used to references and feel comforted by them for the other reasons as well even when not touring.

 

I don't require them for safety reasons because my gut is a more powerful tool than anyone else's previous experience with a client. I completely support however anyone elses method for screening.

[redmachine 1916]

Why would I give other girls references for clients?

 

While I absolutely respect every ones right to conduct there business as they see fit I too have that same right. I'm not sure if I would want to see anyone who if I were to visit with them and I showed up on time well groomed treated the lady with respect they still would not provide me with a reference if requested.

 

Personally I like the reference system and take great pride that I can list such classy ladies as Emma, Victoria,and Emily as ladies I have seen and feel confident of a good reference and I always greatly appreciate when one is given.

[Lexy Grace 103696]

When I see a new or any gentleman from CERB I now always tell them before they depart that they can use me as a reference if a lady they would like to see requires one from another SP, I always say feel free to tell them that I have seen you and would gladly provide one.

 

Every experience is different and I don't give graffic details. I only describe their personality, cleanliness, if they are reliable, safe and if we had a great time.

 

I can only go by my experience and relate that to any SP who contacts me for such information.

 

Lexy

 

Additional Comments:

I don't require them for safety reasons because my gut is a more powerful tool than anyone else's previous experience with a client. I completely support however anyone elses method for screening.

 

I agree with you Carrie my gut always guides me in the right direction and I too support every ladies choice in how they choose to conduct their business.