always21mease 100 Report post Posted January 4, 2011 I had recently tried to put an ad on CL. There was no listing for escorts, so I chose "casual encounters". I tried to be discreet so I didn't talk about donations until the second email. Now I have someone calling themselves "Lisa Whill" threatening me. She/He said they traced me through my IP address, through my hotmail address, to my home...is that even possible? I replied that they must be quite cold hearted , reminding he/she that there are single mothers out there and struggling college students etc. That all SP's are not drug addicts or alcoholics. he/she emailed me back saying they were now calling child endangerment on me. sheesh. Is this even possible? Any thoughts or help on the matter I would look forward to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A***** A***** 510 Report post Posted January 4, 2011 I had recently tried to put an ad on CL. There was no listing for escorts, so I chose "casual encounters". I tried to be discreet so I didn't talk about donations until the second email. Now I have someone calling themselves "Lisa Whill" threatening me. She/He said they traced me through my IP address, through my hotmail address, to my home...is that even possible? I replied that they must be quite cold hearted , reminding he/she that there are single mothers out there and struggling college students etc. That all SP's are not drug addicts or alcoholics. he/she emailed me back saying they were now calling child endangerment on me. sheesh. Is this even possible? Any thoughts or help on the matter I would look forward to. Sounds like they are trying to tell you bullshit. Your Hotmail address can reveal an IP address, if you know where to look for it, but that's about it. There is no proof you are doing anything against the law by posting in that category. It sounds like a jaded wife, gf, etc. Just because they have an IP address, dosen't mean they can do anything. For all they know, your IP address could be a proxy. And what does an IP address have to do with child endangerment? nothing. It's just an IP address. Mod, perhaps you can chime in here on what a person can and cant' do with an IP address? Sounds like are just trying to fuck you around. To even get your ISP info, law enforcement would have to go before a JP and explain why a search warrant is needed, and even then it's hard to get them Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yogibear 402 Report post Posted January 4, 2011 From your email they can get your IP address and from there tell your provider and city that you emailed from... Without cooperation from the ISP (usually a warrant), they can't get any further info (such as name, address etc...). 6 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capital Hunter 18263 Report post Posted January 4, 2011 To my knowledge (and I am not a lawyer) even if it was solicitation (though your ad was in casual encounters, but you did ask for donation in your second email), only solicitation in a public place is illegal as the law stand now. Public place does NOT extend to internet, email. private or cell phone. What you did therefore was NOT illegal. No one can threaten you when you have not broken any law. On second point, to my knowledge an IP address can only give your approximate location, and not your name or home address. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Megan'sTouch 23875 Report post Posted January 4, 2011 yogibear is spot on. Sure they can get your IP address, and from that your city, internet provider. But to get any personal information (name, address) they would need the cooperation of your ISP and there is no way someone could call up Rogers (or whatever) and say: "Hey, I'm really pissed off at this stupid whore from ISP 123.456.789, so can you please give me her real name and address?" There would be HUGE liability for that. So yeah they might email you and threaten "I know you live in Ottawa and you use Rogers as an ISP" but that's as far and it'll go. I seriously doubt this individual would bother reporting you, and if they did, I can't imagine the authorities taking it seriously. On another note, while it's extremely scary to be reported as a sex worker to CAS, there is nothing they can do. It's not illegal to be a sex worker, it's a moral judgment. They can't take away your kids for being an escort anymore than they can take away your kids "Because you don't go to church every Sunday like a good person." For CAS to intervene, there needs to be REAL child endangerment or abuse, and one person imposing their morals on you doesn't count. 10 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cowboy kenny 50799 Report post Posted January 5, 2011 I wanted to give you some Rep points Megan, but it appears I've been to generous to you already. I wanted to back up what you were saying no ISP will give up personal info to any random caller, it's not going to happen. They won't give up that info without a warrant. Your advice about the cas matter is solid as well. There's no law against being a sex worker, her work as a sex worker is providing for her well being and that of her child. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
qwertyaccount 15793 Report post Posted January 5, 2011 Most consumer IP addresses are dynamic, meaning that they change from time to time. Today 1.2.3.4 is your address, tomorrow it might be the church down the street. If you ever want to find out what your (public) IP address is, visit http://www.whatismyip.com/ If your address is dynamic (and it probably is), and you want a new one, most of the time you can accomplish this by turning the power off (or unplugging) the cable/DSL modem for a while. The best thing to do with these sort of people is not respond. By responding you're giving them what they want, and perhaps unintentionally additional information to antagonize you with. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andee 220524 Report post Posted January 5, 2011 (edited) Cowboy Kenny and Megan are right! Most of the ladies I know who have children work at alternate locations where their children live. The ones I know who did work out of where their children live, make sure they are no where near the premises when they entertain and none of them have ever had any problems. Edited January 5, 2011 by Mature Angela Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cat 262460 Report post Posted January 5, 2011 To remove children from their mother on a suspected child neglect or abuse allegation; the allegation has to be investigated and proven. It does however, open a file on the family even if the allegations were disproved. At a later date, if there are custody issues or some other legal situation involving the children, the initial report will come into play. Do not confuse the legal standing with reality. The reality is we can end up with a case worker that is biased against us, prosecutors that secretly deem us unfit and judges who side with them. It is always better to stay off their radar at all costs because you do not know who you will end up dealing with. From personal experience I know statements like "they can't" and anecdotal stories of people who haven't had a problem are reassuring, but can be misleading. Be full of care when it comes to the authorities and your children... cat 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SamanthaEvans 166766 Report post Posted January 5, 2011 To remove children from their mother on a suspected child neglect or abuse allegation; the allegation has to be investigated and proven. It does however, open a file on the family even if the allegations were disproved. At a later date, if there are custody issues or some other legal situation involving the children, the initial report will come into play. Do not confuse the legal standing with reality. The reality is we can end up with a case worker that is biased against us, prosecutors that secretly deem us unfit and judges who side with them. It is always better to stay off their radar at all costs because you do not know who you will end up dealing with. From personal experience I know statements like "they can't" and anecdotal stories of people who haven't had a problem are reassuring, but can be misleading. Be full of care when it comes to the authorities and your children... cat I can't emphasize enough what Cat has said. The CAS too often behaves as a law unto itself under the guise of "erring on the side of caution." None of us wants to be accused of supporting our children from the avails of prostitution. It's not illegal to do so, but the CAS may tell you that it's a "grey" area, which means that they'll keep the file open if someone is concerned. That said, the OP shouldn't worry about being reported to the CAS. As noted above, it would take a court order to divulge the info. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
namssa 562 Report post Posted January 5, 2011 (edited) To the OP, I do not think you have much to be really worried about here. Someone is just trying to prey on your fears and get inside your head. For the most part I would just ignore them, it is very unlikely that you will be able to change their mind through a debate. I had a somewhat similar experience where I sent an email in response to a CL ad, but a person that was not supposed to see it, found it and emailed me. I was told they had my IP address and home address and that the authorities were on their way over and I was threatened with bodily harm as well. I laughed it off as I had done nothing illegal, and told them that they were full of crap and did not have anything of substance. Nothing ever came of it at all, it just went away. Edited January 5, 2011 by namssa added paragraph 2 & 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alexgrenyait 2186 Report post Posted January 5, 2011 I agree with Cat well said Additional Comments: I agree with Cat well said Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Apex2006 1071 Report post Posted January 5, 2011 This is my best tip I can give you.... Stick to CERB and EC. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cowboy kenny 50799 Report post Posted January 5, 2011 Agreed it's best to stay off the radar of CAS but with caseloads being what they are it's not likely that CAS is going to investigate any claim without more solid proof other than an ad on cl and an ip address. CAS is already aware that there are single moms using cl to earn money I assure you of that. The person threatening you is trying the "scared straight" approach to shame and frighten you, challenge them to walk a mile in your shoes and see how it feels. If they were truly so concerned they would be offering you assistance and not condemning you, I can't stand people who prey on the fears of others. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Loralee Reach 245 Report post Posted January 5, 2011 Forget CL!!! CERB is great and if you can afford it place ads on EC.... they are preying on you and probably is a SO of someone who sees us. Do not answer their mails AL ALL! Keep going and smile with your chin up. An email provider needs a warrant to cooperate with the law enforcement. A warrant will need a back up of crime committed from your ip...plus, ip's are always changing. Do not fret....you got someone very mean and you have to stop feeding their hate! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
qwertyaccount 15793 Report post Posted January 5, 2011 Even with a warrant, if the IP address is dynamic, which 99.9% if the time for a consumer it will be, the ISP would have to research who that IP address belonged to at that point in time. This can be a labour intensive and time consuming task, depending on the ISP, the type of service, etc., if those records are maintained at all. They might claim to know your home address, dog?s name, etc. but there are several Nigerian Princes that do as well and they at least want to help you get your $50 million inheritance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
