My skin is crawling

[Guest]

I was watching a t.v. show. It showcased a surgery that tightens your vagina. It also had a day surgery about getting your g sot bigger. With botox injections. Anyways, I don't want them. I just wanted more information on them. I was bored and curious. When I typed tight pussy surgery, lol because then I forgot the name. All these kiddy/teen porn came up. You can tell these children are between the ages of 12 and 17. It is so sad. I want to know what makes people want to be with children. I know that A lot of guys like sweet woman. But to steal the innocence from a child. It wasn't one website it was many. I was just wondering. Would you guys feel betrayed or disgusted. If you found out that a girl who was "19" really turned out to be younger. Putting yourself at risk.

 

I don't know how children deal with this. As it is a known fact that the human brain is not fully developed until the age 22. Where the frontal part of your brain has more reason.

 

It is also known that most rapes happen by people that know the child. It is truly sad that some people think that this is okey. I am strongly against this. If you think something is happening to someone you know contact C.I.S. right away.

 

These kind of things gives agencies and escorts a bad name. As people think that children and women. Are being used without their consent.

 

Anyways, These things makes my skin crawl. What do you guys think?

[Malika Fantasy 144625]

I think the word you are looking for is vaginoplasty

[NotchJohnson 214069]

Any adult having any kind of sexual engagement with a minor just makes me sick. I have no respect at all for those who do that and in my opinion they do deserve to go to jail for doing so.

[belladonna 279]

man that post was a little bit to revelatory of my actual life - sorry..

[Lingering2315 100]

I agree that it is very sad and disgusting, but unfortunately it is more rampant than people know. I believe there was recently some news that said that Canada was #2 worldwide when it comes to child porn and things of that nature. I don't know how someone can look at a child and think "Sex", but that's not up to me to judge. I think that any fantasy is ok as long as it doesn't affect others or that if it does, those people are consenting adults who are aware of consequences.

 

As for your question Peachy, I would personally feel insulted and betrayed if a "19" year old SP turned out to be younger, as I feel that would indicate that she is not doing it by her decisions and fully aware of the consequences of her actions. There is also the fact that I don't feel that I could perform in that situation. I would probably pay her (so she doesn't get her ass kicked) and walk out.

 

I think that this is actually a great arguement for legalisation of "prostitution" or whatever you wish to call it.

 

m 2 cents.

[geo007 203]

On the question of finding out an SP is actually under 18 after I have been with her, I would certainly feel terrible and betrayed. Hopefully this will never happen to me but, as a hobbyist, we don't actually know the real age of an SP. I know that some 14 to 16 year old girls look a lot older and they have ID cards to prove it. They get in bars all the time. I never check the age card of an 18 or 19 year old SP. Should I??? She probably has an over 18 ID card anyway. A bit scary I must admit.:confused:

[buggernot 588]

No one is going to disagree with being disgusted by this behaviour. However, what I find interesting is that we have this obsession based on a legal standard determined by a universal biological/chronological number. If she just turned 18, it's ok - but 2 weeks before that it's wrong. There's a lot of girls between the ages of 18-22 that aren't emotionally mature enough to be working in an adult business. But since it's ok LEGALLY, we accept it. Food for thought...

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[redmachine 1916]

I pretty much stick to sp's that are 25+ with the hope that by that age they are doing what they are doing for the right reasons.

[roger dodger 2160]

i sort of agree with u about putting sick bastards in jail that knowingly does this. But my problem lies with the fact that these assholes get protected in jail because of their crimes. i prefer to have their members cut off, or if in jail, put him in general population and let "the boys"" know what he's in for. they will exact revenge .

[cordsboy 184]

However, what I find interesting is that we have this obsession based on a legal standard determined by a universal biological/chronological number. If she just turned 18, it's ok - but 2 weeks before that it's wrong.

 

I believe there was recently some news that said that Canada was #2 worldwide when it comes to child porn and things of that nature.

 

While the law may say under 18, what LE seem to focus on are the cases when the victims are younger (under 12). As well they seem to focus on people with large quantities/ distributors or predators. A 35yr old with a 17yr old is not going to attract their attention unless that person is ina position of authority.

 

As for Canada being ranked #2, this is more likely a false stat as Canada like many other countries are actually dealing with thew problem and not just brushing it under the carpet, so yes we may have a lot of convictions per capita based on other countries but this is definitely not as rampant as some may believe.

 

What everyone needs to remember here is that the young children are the victims, regardless if the siko only downloads the photo or video the fact that he is looking at it creates a need thus the abuse of innocent children.

 

Canada is very lenient in its sentencing against child pornography and this is a reflection of society (sentences in Canada are someone based on moral standards: what will the public be happy with). If you disagree with this do like I and write to your member of parliament our country should be ashamed for its poor stance on this disgusting crime. (sorry this post pushed the wrong buttons in me)

[bucken 1479]

Any adult having any kind of sexual engagement with a minor just makes me sick. I have no respect at all for those who do that and in my opinion they do deserve to go to jail for doing so.

 

I can think of a few things more than jail. Our system of justice is so screwed up these days they wouldn't get what they deserve. How about removal of the ability, pure and simple....

[Guest]

I didn't put in my first thread. What bugged me the most about the websites. Was how assessable they were. I think at least they should be scared into going underground about it. Nope, mixed in the normal search engine is the kiddie porn. So disturbing. I think this is something that should be talked about. Do to the nature of our job. To me even 18 is to young. I hope this thread rubs you the wrong way because it is wrong. I think there is some kind of drug that make these sikos soft. I think we should go one step ahead and Lorena Bobbitt their ass.

[etasman2000 15994]

What bugged me the most about the websites. Was how assessable they were. I think at least they should be scared into going underground about it.

 

In the US they likely use the Freedom of Speech argument. Another common argument is the 'it is art' argument.

 

In another board which I use to lurk the general board meme was any encounters with someone underage would be reported to the local authorities immediately. Hopefully hobbiest here have the same principles.

 

I think there is some kind of drug that make these sikos soft. I think we should go one step ahead and Lorena Bobbitt their ass.

Castration (physical or chemical) doesn't necessary stop rape.....

 

Note: Since 1997 Canadians caught engaging in child prostitution can be prosecuted in Canada.

[YoungStud 468]

I didn't put in my first thread. What bugged me the most about the websites. Was how assessable they were.

 

What search engine were you using? Google has made a big deal about "doing no evil". They supposedly block child porn from their searches.

 

Kind of surprised this kind of garbage was searchable as easily as it was.

[cordsboy 184]

In the US they likely use the Freedom of Speech argument. Another common argument is the 'it is art' argument.

 

While the "art" argument may have worked in the past the Criminal Code of Canada now includes a clear definition of child pornography.

 

163.1 (1) In this section, ?child pornography? means

(a) a photographic, film, video or other visual representation, whether or not it was made by electronic or mechanical means,

(i) that shows a person who is or is depicted as being under the age of eighteen years and is engaged in or is depicted as engaged in explicit sexual activity, or

(ii) the dominant characteristic of which is the depiction, for a sexual purpose, of a sexual organ or the anal region of a person under the age of eighteen years;

(b) any written material, visual representation or audio recording that advocates or counsels sexual activity with a person under the age of eighteen years that would be an offence under this Act;

© any written material whose dominant characteristic is the description, for a sexual purpose, of sexual activity with a person under the age of eighteen years that would be an offence under this Act; or

(d) any audio recording that has as its dominant characteristic the description, presentation or representation, for a sexual purpose, of sexual activity with a person under the age of eighteen years that would be an offence under this Act.

 

Castration is a start but these people are trully sick and unless capital punishement returns then my vote is to lock them up until they die. These predators do less then a year in jail and most re-offend within 30 days of being released.

 

The US are somewhat on the right track: http://www.registeredoffenderslist.org/steps-to-get-full-predator-report.htm

[etasman2000 15994]

I agree that the concept of 'child pornography' is spelt out under the Canadian Criminal Code however most of these sites aren't hosted in Canada.

[capitalman 3861]

Last time I checked, Canada's legal age of consent to sexual activity was 14 years old, except for greek or people in a position of trust or authority.

 

So where exactly does everyone get this age 18 or 19 from?

 

And please don't go jumping to assumptions about me....

[buggernot 588]

Last time I checked, Canada's legal age of consent to sexual activity was 14 years old, except for greek or people in a position of trust or authority.

 

So where exactly does everyone get this age 18 or 19 from?

 

And please don't go jumping to assumptions about me....

 

It seems like a funky law. The way I always interpreted it was that a 14 year old could have sex with someone younger than 18 and it was ok.

 

Just did a quick search and apparently Harper raised the age to 16, but there is a "close-in-age-exception" for 14-15 year olds where they are allowed to have sex with someone 5 years older.

 

I think the 18 and over thing in the thread is more about people being old enough to be a prostitute or consent in sexual acts for public distribution (i.e. porn or stripping, etc.).

[VedaSloan 119179]

 

Castration is a start but these people are trully sick and unless capital punishement returns then my vote is to lock them up until they die. These predators do less then a year in jail and most re-offend within 30 days of being released.

 

The US are somewhat on the right track: http://www.registeredoffenderslist.org/steps-to-get-full-predator-report.htm

 

I'm against the whole prison industrial complex. Prisons don't work as a deterrent to crime; why continue to put money into something that is a continued proven failure? As for capital punishment, what a hypocrisy. How can we as civilized people turn around and commit murder on the justification that it is punishment for committing murder? It's ridiculous. And also, not a deterrent. Clearly, something needs to change.

[etasman2000 15994]

Last time I checked, Canada's legal age of consent to sexual activity was 14 years old, except for greek or people in a position of trust or authority.

 

So where exactly does everyone get this age 18 or 19 from?

 

And please don't go jumping to assumptions about me....

 

 

Age of consent for non-exploitive acts is now 16.

 

Exploitive acts remains at 18.

 

http://www2.parl.gc.ca/Sites/LOP/LEGISINFO/index.asp?List=ls&Query=5273&Session=15&Language=e#part2

[cuteFrenchy 403]

I'm against the whole prison industrial complex. Prisons don't work as a deterrent to crime; why continue to put money into something that is a continued proven failure? As for capital punishment, what a hypocrisy. How can we as civilized people turn around and commit murder on the justification that it is punishment for committing murder? It's ridiculous. And also, not a deterrent. Clearly, something needs to change.

 

I agree wholeheartedly with Erin. It makes no sense to punish a crime with a crime. It is my opinion that capital punishment is murder. In Canada, the abolition of the death penalty is considered to be a principle of fundamental justice.

 

Furthermore in English society since the 17th century there exists a principle that governments shall not inflict suffering or humiliation on the condemned as punishment for crimes, regardless of their degree of severity. These principles can also be found in section 12 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. These human rights are part of what makes our society civil and humane.

 

I am against any punishment, that are barbarous, brutal and cruel such as killing or even castration.

[NotchJohnson 214069]

FYI pedophiles are not well treated in jail, because the other prisoners ( thieves, murderers etc.) do not respect them so much and to protect them from the others the warden will change their names.

[YoungStud 468]

FYI pedophiles are not well treated in jail' date=' because the other prisoners ( thieves, murderers etc.) do not respect them so much and to protect them from the others the warden will change their names.[/quote']

 

Actually, I believe they are segregated in a special unit reserved for sexual offenders, but under their own names.

[YoungStud 468]

Age of consent for non-exploitative acts is now 16.

 

Exploitative acts remains at 18.

 

http://www2.parl.gc.ca/Sites/LOP/LEGISINFO/index.asp?List=ls&Query=5273&Session=15&Language=e#part2

 

Also note that in the Criminal Code

 

163.1 (1) In this section, “child pornography” means

(a) a photographic, film, video or other visual representation, whether or not it was made by electronic or mechanical means,

(i) that shows a person who is or is depicted as being under the age of eighteen years and is engaged in or is depicted as engaged in explicit sexual activity

 

means you could have someone in their 20s in a photo, but if a peace officer, a crown attorney and finally a judge all think they are being depicted as being 17 or younger, there will be a child porn conviction, even though they may be just "pretending" ("depicted as engaged") to be taking part in sexual acts.

 

Interesting to note that while it is legal in Canada for someone between 16 and 18 to have consensual sex with someone in their own peer age group, photos of that act would be child pornography.

 

It could be argued that even photos of clowning around "fake sex" at a teen party would be illegal under 163.1 (1) (a) (i). ("depicted as being")

 

So, if you have or know of teens under 18 who are "fooling around" and taking pictures of same (easy to do with today's technology) or even "faking" photos of "fooling around', make sure they are not posting anything stupid on Facebook, for example. Probably a good idea to do that anyway. But also, it's against the law.

 

Canada's child porn legislation is among the strongest in the world. I remember covering its introduction (dating myself a bit there for a "YoungStud" - lol) and the "controversial" role play by American legal academic and activist Catharine McKinnon, who was consulted by the Canadian government and was one of the driving forces behind the "depicted as being" aspect.

 

Cf. R. v. Butler

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[cordsboy 184]

Capital punishment is and always will be a topic of argument (pro or con). While I agree that our justice system does not work well one needs to consider what evil they are prepared to live with: capital punishment or to allow a child predator to continue preying on our/ your children. I am in full support of finding a more civilized manner in addressing the issue and I have heard many theories on rehabilitation and incarceration (my favorite was phrenology) unfortunately society has attempted multiple ways of addressing crime and the problem still exists

 

It is an offence in Canada to simply view child pornography, let along partake in it, distribute, produce, etc... The is also a major difference between child pornography and sex between consenting people. A 16yr old can, according to Canadian law, consent to sex. Child pornography involves anyone under the age of 18 who is victimized while sex is the focus of the act.

 

So to sum this all up, while I may not agree with the death penalty 100%, if I had to chose between releasing a child predator into society hoping they will not brutally victimize and ruin an innocent life or putting them to death I would not have an issue putting them to death.