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Hi guys, I KNOW I'm doing a lot of complaining lately and I hate being negative. But this issue really bugs me. I do not offer discounts, especially to those who ask for them. I do not offer discounts, especially to clients I've never seen before. I do not have a seasonal, or first-timer, or a "client doesn't feel like paying today" discount. Do not ask me for discounts, I will not see you. Do not subtly ask me for discounts by saying "oh I'm sure you're worth every penny but I was hoping for a discount," I will not see you. Do not assume you are more special than everyone else. I am known for my excellent VFM sessions and I often go over time. I have on occasion offered discounts to long term clients for very specific and special reasons. I am not a selfish person and do everything in my power to make sure you guys leave happy. I'm so insulted right now. I work so hard at my job but it only takes one comment to make me realize that this is not a kind industry. This doesn't apply to 99% of you and I appreciate the love I get from this board and its members. So please forgive my emotion.

As Cat noted, some people will try to make a deal in all cases, others won't. As a note, you'd be surprised what deals can be made even at your local stores. My brother is good at this, I am not, but I don't think he has paid full price for any big ticket items. He would just ask the salesman to take less, and if they went for it good, if not he went somewhere else. What is not acceptable is negotiating when you are asked nicely not to, or reneging on an agreed price. In my opinion, that practice is simply disrespect, and should not be tolerated. The world would be a better place if people respected each other a little more (ending this before it becomes an Antlermanesc rant). Also, the time that a SP puts into an appointment is not just the time of the appointment. There is the prep time that we can only fathom the extent of, especially if it is an incall appointment. All that being said, if you want a safe, wonderful experience with a lady of your choice, you have to be willing to pay the price.

Ah yes, another time honoured Cerb tradition...the dealing with losers rant. I always hope for the threads to never come back and they always do...because there's always a few dicks that keep doing it. So if any of you gents that behave in such a way are reading, please keep these thoughts in mind: asking for a discount costs extra, and under no circumstances will you get the discount. if you're so handsome and well endowed, go to a bar and theoretically you might be able to get it for free. But then again probably not since you're a big douche. if you can't afford it, you don't get it. This is also why you drive a Neon instead of a Porsche. these girls can get laid quite easily whenever they want. And you're not what they want. masturbation is your friend. Embrace it and your penis because it is the only friend you have. Everybody else is annoyed with you. But sigh, I doubt they're reading this. Or are able to read...

Was it Macdonald's coffee?

I believe we all have the right to choose for ourselves the time, place and person for our first encounter. That said, I have serious reservations about men choosing an SP for their first experience. There are many reasons to decide a professional is in order, but one must really understand the issues at hand. My concern comes from the many guests I have known, who are wonderful but obviously single men. They are smart, funny, accomplished, caring and would make great life partners. They don't date, or interact with women except on a surface level. The Problem? They were shy and had difficulty asking girls out when they were younger. Instead of learning how to approach girls their own age, and develop confidence and knowledge thru the process, they opted to seek out a professional. Instead of gaining confidence by having intimate experience they found an outlet that allowed instant gratification. They never developed the necessary life skills to get into a long term relationship. They have continued to use professionals because it was the easier path. I have had dozens of these men come thru my door. Sometimes I sit quiet when they leave and reflect. A hand full of them are truly happy with their lives. They have freedom and live every day. Many of them tho, long for something more, but now they have reached their 30's and 40's struggle to learn the necessary skills needed to have a more encompassing relationship. For anyone considering this as a first experience, remember that the easier road is not always the path you want to take. Cat

wow wow wow even tho you say that is your last comment SA (as you do many times) I predict further commentary after this post. Once again you are dismissing the opinions of those who are actually partaking in said acts instead of perhaps realizing that you could learn from those experiences as opposed to your own secont hand knowledge....its ok, just a bit of a pattern....remember, its called open discussion for a reason?: lets first off dismiss the fables of what group sex entails.... Q. domination? or being told what to do or ordered what to do by all participating males??? A. absolutely not! every female participant lays out her restrictions, services and ground rules prior...those who aren't looking for those services go elsewhere. And every male participating waits for the lady to take the lead in the actions....no one orders anyone around like a football coach or they'd not be invited to the next event Q. Group sex entails greek? A. Not if the girl doesn't offer it normally, there are many ways to please men, not simply by penetration in "various holes" Q. The lady must have fantasies of this or only be turned on by these acts to engage in them and not be a classy lady (someone mentioned the word "slut" before?) if so... A. some ladies engage because they are simply curious about a controlled event like this....maybe in the end they decide its not for them. But my dad said once "try everything once...maybe twice if you think you like it and it doesnt kill you, but it shouldnt define you if you were simply inriqued" ...-- now...all this stuff about being under the influence. I know what you're referring to and who you're sticking up for and I dont think that the influence of being under psychological meds for other reasons besides what you think to be her helpless vice to dealing with sex-work (if she didnt want to do it, she wouldnt) is making her any less able to make their own decisions....also I dont think she'd like you to put that out there so best to leave that alone.....drugs, alcohol and being taken advantage of are far from what this group is about. No one is forced to do anytyhing under the influence in that group. All that being said, I am proud saying that I've been to a couple events now, have been fully in control, Have been overly respected in terms of my limitations, have had laughs and chats with everyone participating prior and after as like any other call I've been on...I dont travel to the greek islands, love myself at the end of the day with a huge smile on my face. At The end of the day I can also firmly post my schedule and include the word "CLASSY" without haste. I will also add, I do very well for myself as a low-volume SP, this is my only source of income yet I am extremely well off even if I dont accept group sex events....and I have a child to provide for too, SA, but it doesnt mean that any client should pity or judge me more than my degree-carrying, self-sufficient self should deserve. To assume that we only do what we do for the money is putting us all in the "victim" category....something that many members here know that I dont stand for. "Shes a student, shes a young mother, ...those men must be taking advantage of her and her financial troubles!".........common now have a little more respect for the ladies. When someone tried to tell me that I dont know what I'm getting into or that I'm being brainwashed into something, it makes me loose total respect for them. In the end, your lady of choice will thank you for respecting her decisions and respecting that she is a big girl, capable of making her own choices in life Those who want to turn my smile or other's into a frown or shame can take a hike :)