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Well - if guys are shy, then there is incentive to do your homework. Find someone you think you will click with, check the web site, communicate with the person and when your have ALL the information - make up your mind. Who in their right mind will commit to a meeting without key information like donation is beyond me. If that is how you manage your affairs you will definitely get screwed and not in a good way. As for this comment " good sp's aren't cheap. And cheap sp's aren't good" - if a male member made that comment he'd be tarred and feathered. No one is cheap, this is about knowing one's client base and tailoring business requirements for the market one is in. At the end of the day what is good is all about the chemistry and mutual respect between two or more people, which of course lends itself to a good encounter. Donation is secondary in this regard. Do your homework guys!

This was the day my life went left. I was living in NC. I was driving with a friend, received a call from her mom and we headed straight home to a TV. The chaos locally was insane in our sleepy little alcove of life. We sent the children out to play and sat horrified as we watched the planes slam over and over and over again into the Towers. The replays didn't desensitize, even now I cry every time I see it. Charlotte was the second largest banking sector in the US at the time and local news had decided it was a full blown attack on the US and the next target was Charlotte. Being the consummate planner, I got in my van with my baby girls and drove to Cosco, stocked up on food that carried us for almost 2.5 years. It was also the day that war was declared on Muslims and someone told the police that my husband (a very western Muslim) was sending the proceeds from my agency to Al Quida. One month to the day of the Towers falling, three LE agencies were invading my house at 4 am and life as I knew it was over. Over the next 4 years our life was systematically dismantled and has never been the same. If my husband had been Christian, our situation would not have warranted a second look. Local LE were dumbfounded by the State and Federal actions. We survived drive by shootings at our home and constant police involvement in our daily lives. They took our property, our businesses, our savings, our childrens college funds, and detained us for over 2 years. I often sit and think about those that died in the Towers, and I wonder if they were the lucky ones. The rescue workers live with the horror still as does the entire city of New York. I put my self in their shoes when I start to feel resentful about the fall out in my life from 9/11. No one I loved died or suffers PTSD. That day impacted every ones lives in ways most don't realize. Whether the US had it coming or not is irrelevant, the pain it caused is real and I guess that was the point of the attack. I would not be the person I am today if my life hadn't destructed. I am grateful that I am whole and intact. We should not take our lives for granted, we live blessed existences compared to many in our world and we should never forget that. cat

Five myths about prostitution http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/10/AR2010091002670.html By Sudhir Venkatesh Sunday, September 12, 2010; B03 Last weekend, .........., the popular provider of Internet classified advertising, halted publication of its "adult services" section. The move followed criticism from law enforcement officials across the country who have accused the site of facilitating prostitution on a massive scale. Of course, selling sex is an old business -- most say the oldest. But as the .......... controversy proves, it's also one of the fastest changing. And as a result, most people's perceptions of the sex trade are wildly out of date. 1. Prostitution is an alleyway business. It once was, of course. In the late 1800s, as Northern cities boomed, the sex trade in America became synonymous with the seedy side of town. Men who wanted to find prostitutes combed alleys behind bars, dimly lit parks and industrial corridors. But today, only a few big cities, such as Los Angeles and Miami, still have a thriving outdoor street market for sex. New York has cleaned up Times Square, Chicago's South Loop has long since gentrified, and even San Francisco's infamous Tenderloin isn't what it used to be. These red-light districts waned in part because the Internet became the preferred place to pick up a prostitute. Even the most down-and-out sex worker now advertises on .......... (or did until recently), as well as on dating sites and in online chat forums. As a result, pimps' role in the sex economy has been diminished. In addition, the online trade has helped bring the sex business indoors, with johns and prostitutes increasingly meeting up in bars, in hotels, in their own homes or in apartments rented by groups of sex workers. All this doesn't mean a john can't get what he's looking for in the park, but he had better be prepared to search awhile. Although putting numbers on these trends is difficult, the transition from the streets to the Internet seems to have been very rapid. In my own research on sex workers in New York, women who in 1999 worked mostly outdoors said that by 2004, demand on the streets had decreased by half. 2. Men visit sex workers for sex. Often, they pay them to talk. I've been studying high-end sex workers (by which I mean those who earn more than $250 per "session") in New York, Chicago and Paris for more than a decade, and one of my most startling findings is that many men pay women to not have sex. Well, they pay for sex, but end up chatting or having dinner and never get around to physical contact. Approximately 40 percent of high-end sex worker transactions end up being sex-free. Even at the lower end of the market, about 20 percent of transactions don't ultimately involve sex. Figuring out why men pay for sex they don't have could sustain New York's therapists for a long time. But the observations of one Big Apple-based sex worker are typical: "Men like it when you listen. . . . I learned this a long time ago. They pay you to listen -- and to tell them how great they are." Indeed, the high-end sex workers I have studied routinely see themselves as acting the part of a counselor or a marriage therapist. They say their job is to feed a man's need for judgment-free friendship and, at times, to help him repair his broken partnership. Little wonder, then, that so many describe themselves to me as members of the "wellness" industry. 3. Most prostitutes are addicted to drugs or were abused as children. This was once the case, as a host of research on prostitution long ago confirmed. But the population of women choosing sex work has changed dramatically over the past decade. High-end prostitutes of the sort Eliot Spitzer frequented account for a greater share of the sex business than they once did. And as Barnard College's Elizabeth Bernstein has shown, sex workers today tend to make a conscious decision to enter the trade -- not as a reaction to suffering but to earn some quick cash. Among these women, Bernstein's research suggests, prostitution is viewed as a part-time job, one that grants autonomy and flexibility. These women have little in common with the shrinking number of sex workers who still work on the streets. In a 2001 study of British prostitutes, Stephanie Church of Glasgow University found that those working outdoors "were younger, involved in prostitution at an earlier age, reported more illegal drug use, and experienced significantly more violence from their clients than those working indoors." 4. Prostitutes and police are enemies. When it comes to the sex trade, police officers have in recent decades functioned as quasi-social workers. Peter Moskos's recent book, "Cop in the Hood: My Year Policing Baltimore's Eastern District," describes how police often play counselor to sex workers, drug dealers and a host of other illegal moneymakers. In my own work, I've found that cops are among the most empathetic and helpful people sex workers meet on the job. They typically hand out phone numbers for shelters, soup kitchens and emergency rooms, and they tend to demonstrate a great deal of sympathy for women who have been abused. Instead of arresting an abused sex worker, police officers will usually let her off with a warning and turn their attention to finding her abusive client. Unfortunately, officers say it is becoming more difficult to help such women; as they move indoors, it is simply more difficult to locate them. Of course, many big-city mayors embrace this same turn of events, since the rate of prostitution-related arrests drops precipitously when cops can't find anyone to nab. But for police officers, it makes day-to-day work quite challenging. Officers in Chicago and New York who once took pride in helping women exit the sex trade have told me about their frustration. Abusive men can more easily rob or hurt a sex worker in a building than on the street, they say. And while cops may receive a call about an overheard disturbance, the vague report to 911 is usually not enough to pinpoint the correct apartment or hotel room. There are few things more dispiriting, they say, than hearing of a woman's cries for help and being unable to find her. 5. Closing ..........'s "adult services" section will significantly affect the sex trade. Although .......... offered customers an important means to connect with sellers of sexual services, its significance has probably been exaggerated. Even before the site's "adult services" section was shut down, it was falling out of favor among many users. Adolescent pranksters were placing ads as hoaxes. And because sex workers knew that cops were spending a lot of time responding to ads, they were increasingly hesitant to answer solicitations. I found that 80 percent of the men who contacted women via .......... in New York never consummated their exchange with a meeting. How the sex trade will evolve from here is anyone's guess, but the Internet is vast, and already we are seeing increasing numbers of sex workers use Twitter and Facebook to advertise their services. Apparently, the desire to reveal is sometimes greater than the desire to conceal. [email protected] Sudhir Venkatesh is a professor of sociology at Columbia University and the author of "Gang Leader for a Day: A Rogue Sociologist Takes to the Streets." Want to challenge everything you think you know? Visit the "Five Myths" archive.

Ahhh Keissy, what can I say about this woman that hasn't already been said, she comes HIGHLY recommended by many, and for good reason, see: http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=18841&highlight=keissy As I knocked on the door for our encounter I was incredibly nervous (as I usually am :oops:). She opened the door and her warm inviting smile just melted my heart. Keissy's face (for those of you who have those concerns) is great, very cute and always smilling (more on that later). Her body is clearly quite incredible. I'll spare the details, but suffice it to say that Keissy is quite open about sex in general, this is made clear by what she offers (it'd be easier to list what she doesn't do to be honest), but also by how comfortable she is with herself and the way she talks. This combination makes for an incredibly fun time for everyone involved as we were both smiling the whole time (well most of the time ;)). I unfortunately don't have the poetic touch to say it better than GO SEE THIS GIRL! I can't imagine anyone being dissatisfied after an encounter with Keissy.

Within 30 seconds of walking into her suite we were locked in a passionate kiss. As I released my hold on her she smiles and blushes slightly. Now we pause to complete actual introductions. With names exchanged she lets her agency know that Seymour is in the house and the phone is going offline. And we reconvene on her bed, as her black lace dress is removed to reveal the sun and moon and the whole damn constellation. And I am in awe! As I moved in to join her, I realized I need to play catchup and in a flash my own apparel was gone. We are together, and the fireworks start ...... She moves in over me as I continue to admire her form, she hovers over me, allowing me a whiff of that perfume strategically placed behind her ear. Magnifique! She slowly pushes me to lie on my back and kisses me for minutes. Slowly, sensually and very erotic, she moves south, seeking out junior and slowly, teasingly, delicately engulfs him. I cannot believe the sensations running through my body as this Montreal belle teases and torments the living life out of me. Junior - well - if he could talk, he'd be tongue tied!! As she continues to torment me, I reach up in a half upright position and undo the clasp on her bra and toss it over to the arm of the sofa - she giggles at that and continues...now it's her turn to show me her flexibility as she removes the matching black g-string and tosses it over to the sofa - all the while continuing to kiss me. She goes back doing a number on junior, and it didn't take long for him to show his appreciation for the oral talents of one Keissy. Let me do you too I say and I see the spark in her eyes and her face light up again. So we move into a 69 and let me tell you - she is one sweet belle. Moving right along, yes, she continued doing a number on junior, and her moans increased and her breathing increased and she persisted driving me crazy with her oral skills. This sensation and technique is unique and very stimulating. Man she has a wicked tongue. **Did I mention that? **** I know what I wanted to do and junior knew what he wanted to do and next thing I know is the cover was coming on and junior disappeared inside her. We're locked in mish as this allowed me to savor those damn fine kisses. This started slow and got progressively faster and faster. It also provided me a great opportunity to savor and appreciate her lovely bosom. We kept at it for a while or should I say junior kept at it, and the two of us, well, let's just say we explored each other through some rather interesting kissing techniques. The gal loves those patented Seymour Eskimo kisses and we traded some of those in between some clever tongue and groove intimacy. She was close and I sensed it, and I was determined to make damn sure she was taken care of. With some strategic encouragement from me and a continuous thrusting rhythm, this belle held me in a vice like grip with her arms and legs and sucked the living daylights out of me. It was hot, it was intense, deeper and faster, each stroke seeming to awaken more passion, more animal urges in her and more and more I felt her unleash that energy on my body!. Damn - I'm aching, but what the hell as my body is both on the receiving end of her pleasure and responsible for it. I felt her body quivered as she climaxed. Minutes after taking care of the lady, it was my turn as junior could take no more. But it does not end there....as now that I know the lady loves receiving oral as much as she delivers, it was my turn to deliver. I slowly worked my way down her body, lingering at her breasts to appreciate them some more. They're so fine!! "Relax", I say as I tease her softness slowly, reminding her of the source of her moans during our foreplay. She was certainly letting me take charge, working her up for a wild finish... As this evolved, my belle became more vocal, more active and her hands and legs move into position to keep my head and torso right smack between her thighs. I could not move even if I wanted to, I could barely breathe as my belle held me in another vice like grip and would not let me go. Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining, just sharing the story of Keissy and Seymour. Back to the story, this grip was maintained for minutes as her thrusting, moaning, and pelvic gyrations culminated in an orgasmic explosion of pleasure, sweat, more moaning, heavy breathing and panting. What a release - now I could breathe and to quote the lady, "I think I'm paralyzed". That makes two of us darling. We share a laugh over that! Now just so you know, the gal is awesome in character, but outside of this persona, she is lively, easy going, a great conversationalist, fluently bilingual and super sweet. Treat her right and show her respect and you will be rewarded many times over. Let me tell you something else. Get your affairs in order, update your last will and testament. Forget about visiting famous pyramids or other heritage sites of the world. If you have a bucket list, burn it. If someone angered you, forgive them. If you're not religious, take up one because if you don't survive an encounter with the lovely Keissy, you will surely want to be at peace with your maker! As for me -well, don't look for me here, I'm still seeing stars but I'm going back for more! Montreal belle, here I come. :motion:

When I was younger, I walked around slouched, wearing 2 bras (one regular one with a sports bra over top) and a tight undershirt to flatten them out. Yes. I grew up thinking my own breasts were much too large.

I too get tired of time wasters, but I give everyone a chance to "clarify" what my services or rates are. I do expect them to have done some research and read my ads and/or web-site, but I for one, make sure they understand everything they are signing up for, so to speak before they come to see me. I see no reason to blow a guy off or be rude who is trying to find out information to book an appointment if his questions are legitimate and not worded rudely, condescending or explicitly offensive. I am in the business of providing a service, and if I can't take 5 minutes to try and close the deal, then WTF am I doing this for. I don't have the luxury of the phone ringing off the hook and being able to turn clients away. Not everyone communicates the same and I would rather be clear about what I offer and what the rate is, even at the risk of repeating what is listed in my website. I rarely get regret the clients who do end up seeing me and some of them did not start off communicating the best, some times. I don't really understand what you mean by "shy" anyways. If someone is shy, then they should tell me that they are shy and I will reassure them I don't bite But I don't want it to take 10 e-mails back and forth for them to get "comfortable". If you're brave enough to do that, then you're brave enough to meet me in person and go for it! My advice, do your research, be sure you want to see that lady before asking a lot of questions and tell her where you're coming from in terms of anything she should know to make the appointment more comfortable for you. If she's any kind of a "professional" she will give you the leeway to get comfortable. I am so sick of hearing about guys who waste SPs times and SPs who are rude without good reason to would-be clients. I would say some people really need to adjust their attitudes (on both sides).

5 More myths 1. Sex workers have super powers and can spin magical orgasmic webs with their genitalia, kinda like Spiderman only different. 2. If you take a sex worker with you to buy a car, they will use their hypnotic powers to seduce the salesperson into a better price. 3. Sex workers only eat strawberry Twizzlers, popcorn and Mentos. They only drink water and white wine. 4. Sex workers never have to go to the bathroom, ever. 5. A sex worker rescued a trapped child from 30 feet down in an abandoned well using only her vajayjay and kegel exercises.

I like the Novotel right down town, it's under renovation at the moment and the lobby is a mess but the rooms are nice and there's lots of parking across the street. November

Ahhh...Toronto......Neverwinacupagainite

Democracy is rife with "what ifs". Who moderates who? Who is to be trusted to be impartial and unbiased? This is an online, virtual, anonymous community. I would not want to be in charge of finding anyone perfect enough to meet the requirements of monitoring this board, as there is not one participant that doesn't have biases and self interest at hand, while still pleasing the masses that seem to demand their perception of perfection instead of practical application. Given the pettiness, immaturity and nonsense I have seen on the board lately, I would gladly choose to have MOD continue as always and permanently ban the whiners, complainers and shit disturbers. The manipulation and games would push anyone over the fragile edge. I know many "valued" participants would be gone but it would give CERB a fresh start and I for one would be glad to see them go. MOD is constantly taken for granted by both hobbiest and SP alike. Has anyone ever thought of what would happen if CERB were shut down? I mean literally, off the air. Having this board is a privilege not a right. It costs nothing to participate and we all gain from it, but it costs $$$, time, heart and soul to run it. This whole "democracy" issue should have never happened. Who has the right to question and complain about MODs decisions to begin with? It's his board, which means his game, his rules!!! He has the right to make decisions without backlash or complaint from anyone in any form. If you don't like his decisions, LEAVE. There are other boards out there for you to participate on. Don't like those, start your own board. To all of those who have pushed MOD to this, those who complained and pitched hissy fits, give your head a shake, grow up and get a life. You have brought this on CERB. It would serve all those involved if MOD decided to simply close up shop and move on to something that doesn't require hyperbaric sensory deprivation treatments to maintain his sanity. You know who you are. All of you who chose to PM him, giving him a hard time about bans and suspensions. All of you who question his decisions. All of you who take petty squabbles to him instead of being an adult and taking the high road. All of you who feel it's more important to be right than it is to be happy. Life doesn't always work out the way you want it to. Accept it and move on. For those who have been banned, take responsibility for your part in it and....move on. Perhaps if some apologies and self policing were implemented, this would all go away. Use a little common sense and empathy from now on and maybe all of this can be resolved without complicating life any more than it already is. cat

thanks cat. this post has lifted my spirits a little more. the site has grown so large that I really can't do it on my own and I have been pushing myself this last year to a breaking point. people are constantly complaining and everyone seams to feel they need to tell me how to do things. most people do not consider that they are just one person demanding my time with frivolous complaints, whining and my favorite... redundant bitching (when they just repeat themselves over and over than get pissed off when I tell them where to go or remove them) with the site growing so large we have 10 times more spammers (you rarely see these as I remove them before you ever see them... only a few get by recentlybecause some exploit exists that has not been patched yet that allows the spammers to circumvent the moderation queue) .. I would estimate 300+ spam posts are removed each month. title infractions.... we don't want the site to lookk like cl with all the crazy post titles trying to out do the next one and gain the most attention... so i have very specific rules to stop this and i use to take the time to pm each person and tell them what they did wrong... i found that even when i took the time people would ignore the pm and continue to break the rules so now i just delete the post and give them a infraction with a link to the rules.. I get people every day wasting my time asking me to elaborate on what they did wrong... did they read the link with the rules??? NO... They are just wasting my time. about 300 posts a month break this rule and more than 1/2 of them break the rule over and over again. This is disrespectful and these people do not deserve to use the site so I just keep deleting the ad posts and eventually just remove them. if they are literate enough to post an ad they can dam well read the rules or they are not welcome here. when I suspend someone (especially a SP or a male member with 50+ posts) i get people PM me (who only hear one side of the story) demanding I let them back or telling me I was wrong or calling me a dictator. These people run to the other sites and tell everyone how horrible I am (and really that did not bother me in the past but now its getting a little annoying).. FINALLY... we have those idiots who post shit like "I am affraid to post on cerb because I will get in trouble" or "I know the rule is... hopefully the mod does not remove me" or the really big idiots who want to fight with me on the site and don't think I have the balls to kick them off!! Yes, it wears on me!! Yes, I am done with it and yes I would not wish this job on anyone. Cat probably meant to post this in the PRIVATE area away from public view but we can let everyone know. I am done and I am working on a way to keep the site moving forward. We are looking for a way to have the community help moderate the site (Myself, the SP's who have SP ONLY access and the ELITE members have a private discussion thread where we are trying to come up with a solution that will keep the site moving forward and keep the integrity of the site alive. I have confidence in our members (Most of them) and I think a few should be removed who are trouble makers but I will leave that up to the people who will take my place as the decision makers. This is not open for public debate but if you are an elite member or a SP ONLY member you are welcome to comment in the private area and have your say. We would love to hear any idea's. If you are not able to see that area please DO NOT pm me. My PM is very busy and full with all this. I am willing to help the transition go forward smoothly (I am not walking away tomorrow or anything) I will continue forward and make sure the site is in good hands before I move on. I will probably always be part of the site in some sort of way (System admin, Server Admin, Software upgrades, etc... after all I am a computer guy and not a politian).

First off Origin, don't delete it. I think this is a great subject matter, and I have true first hand experience on the subject at hand. Many of you know that I had previously dated an SP from Montreal, and things ended and life goes on. However, my life very recently changed and I never saw it coming! I had been talking with an SP for sometime and we both realized we had a great deal in common and started to hit it off. She knew I wasn't really involved in the scene other than just here on CERB due to certain circumstances in my life. I had seen a few SP's over the last year, but for the most part I had been retired as a hobbyiest. We started to spend time together, and then thought it would be best to take the next step. We've been together ever since. Now you ask the question have you ever fallen in love and not lust with an SP. In this case I never saw this woman as a client, which can make a difference. I had planned to, but the timing was never right. Remember, as a client it is all a fantasy scenario. Even if you are a regular, you don't actually know the woman. I know her, I've held her in my arms when she is sick, been there when she needs me, we have quiet nights together watching movies and just hanging out together. She knows what makes me tick and understands the life I've led, she's there for me when I need to talk. Having been around the hobby for 20 years, I am lucky to have found her. It's a loving relationship, like any other loving relationships and it works for us and my heart is hers till the end of time.

ignorance and intolerance - I can't stand it but I don't know why