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Hey Gents, My opinion is that the majority of women in this industry choose to enter the profession of their own free will. That being said, we also know that there is a dark side of this industry in which women are coerced to work, and in which they may be economically exploited by a "pimp" who keeps the money she earns. Although I hardly ever encounter these situations with escorts/MA's, I got to know many women when I was stripping who were coerced into the industry. I won't go into all the details, but I will give one example. I was in the dressing room and another dancer was on the phone. She said on the phone: "Please can I leave? I've been here for 6 hours and I've only made $200. I really don't think I can make anymore. The club is dead." She hung up and said to her friend: "He says I can't leave until I make $300." I'm not saying these things to make anyone feel bad, or because the majority of strippers are in this situation (that is absolutely not true). But what I will ask is, what do you as a hobbiest do to mitigate the risk that you are participating in the exploitation of another human being? Do you only see reputable indies/agencies? Do you think you can "tell" when you meet her? Have you ever been in a situation where you suspected the lady was not there by her own free will? I hope no one is upset at me for bringing up such a dark topic, but I think it's important to talk about these things once in a while :) Megan

I think rather than try understand all the possibilities, you just have to take the plunge. If you do a little research you will find many reputable ladies and spas here who will recognize the signs, that you will need a little extra attention. Take a few extra bob and don't be too pushy and I'm sure they will let you know the score and take you in hand.. If you repeat you will make friends, and probably get better service as they get more comfortable with you. Keep your expectations realistic and I'm sure you won't be disappointed.

@hbonthedl This is an old thread that illustrates a more profound meaning to GFE. It's elaborates that GFE is more so the style and not the services offered. http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=10214 However, I'm sure that GFE has a different meaning for any provider. Simply ask what to expect. I'm very welcoming to any questions that you might have and I'm sure that everyone here on the board is the same. Provide that you ask with the same mutual respect that you would appreciate in return. I really likes your question. Thank you for posting it! XoXoX

You know your old when you remember when this guy took a stroll on the moon Maybe not such a big deal now, but back then, it was RG

How about these ones, RG:

Andy.... in the long run, you are no better or worse off than ANY other 20 year old male. How many guys of your age do you know that THINK that they are fantastic lovers? Now ask the women that they have been with. At 20, you probably have no idea what YOU like, let alone what pleases someone else. That my friend comes with time. There is no rush. You don't get graded on sexual performance; if you are looking to be with someone in a serious relationship, the sex is the icing on the cake... and you what the ratio of cake to icing is on an average cake. Don't get me wrong - a healthy active sex life is important in a relationship - but it's not the basis of ANY relationship. In the interim - there's CERB. You have the opportunity to meet with some of the most fantastic women on the face of the planet; women that understand the varying degrees of sexuality and sensuality. Let them know your situation. They have seen it before and will see it again. Take constructive criticism. Last thing? Be confident - not cocky - but confident. You have a long road ahead of you my friend, and the delights along the way are yours.

Don't put so much pressure on yourself, and as much as you are an adult, at 20 years old, chronologically, your still very young...it's not like being the 40 Year Old Virgin LOL See another girl, be it through dating or see an escort. As the saying goes, if you get thrown off a horse, just get back on If your worrying about your next time so much, you'll never have a next time Good luck RG

Just thinking back of when we first became members on cerb and had a few chuckles....I remember poor Mod saying read read read the rules Angie after warnings and infraction and all this new stuff to learn. I was a pain in his behind sorry Mod but I thank you for your patience. I caught myself today commenting on a thread speculating without re-reading the rules (that I have went over a million times) ha ha. A BIG Bell was going off in my head and it was MOD read read the rules Angie. This got me thinking I have learned a great deal of discipline within this community. I kinda feel like a kid and Mod is a parent keeping me in-line. And if ya misbehave there is consequences for your actions. Cerb has been a journey for me :) We never stop learning and growing. And I just wanted to share today and thanks Mod and this community for helping me on my journey......you all know who you are! Angie xo Question is: What do you remember it was like when you became a new member on cerb?

this thread has antlerman written all over it.....i could start cracking silly lines.....buti am interested so far...... what is a virgin in todays world.....let slone cerb..... i was a virgin in giving and receiving trips to Greece till i got here...... i was a virgin towards shemales and transgendered till cerb and the net..... i was a virgin till i had a lady use a toy on me...... so do classify the term virgin as a state of the person....or as something you yet to experiance in your life... i am a virgin to many things life still has to offer.......

Great question, Megan. For me personally I only see providers who have a big presence here on cerb. Other than simply posting ads. I like to be able to get a feel for their personalities and get a sense that they're here because they want to be. Sure that's no 100% guarantee that they're not being coerced......it's possible they could be being pimped but still be active on cerb. But if they actively participate in discussions here, and seem genuinely interested in what we men think and prefer, or are eager to share their own thoughts on topics and their own preferences. Well....that makes me feel a lot more comfortable about seeing them and knowing that they're here because they want to be. In my first year or so in the hobby before I discovered cerb, I saw a lot of ladies who I got the sense did not want to be there. I can't say for sure if they were being exploited or not. But either way, it felt horrible.....and often I did not even stick around. As for dancers I have no clue.....sometimes you can get a sense from talking to her if she wants to be there or not. But sometimes you can't. As someone who has been a dancer Megan, are there any signs you know of that we should watch out for if we don't want to participate with someone who is being exploited?

Well I am an sp here but I offer only a ma service for cl folks unless they are also a cerb member. But either way ;) Im worth the visit and thanks Angela for answering this one so quick I appreciate it. Jolie xOx 613-612-8648

Does lil happy dance 'coz is finally going to be able to attend one o'these t'ings and meet some of the peeps that he hasn't yet. Looking forward to meeting one and all.

I have found from past experience that when one deals with the more established MP's found on CERB such as Bethany, Sensual Erin or Megan that it all falls into place. A lot of the MP's found on CERB use a "prescreening process" when approached by a potential client. It serves to break the ice, to find out a little about each other which eases tensions and expectations especially for newbies. For example Bethany uses a screening questionnaire with new clients and answered any and all of my questions regarding what was and was not available during the session. There was also a clear outline of what was included in the rates for the time frame of the session that one desired. As a result one could arrange an appointment, know exactly what the session would involve, what was out of bounds and what one would need in terms of compensation. Erin uses a similiar prescreening method that I found left me feeling that I had known Erin for a while whcih removes any jitters or anxiety. When I meet Erin for the first session I was completely at ease, knew what to expect and had no false expectations or uncomfortable moments during the session which led to a very enjoyable time. The key to all this is discretion, make your choice of the MP that you wish to use and ask questions. But do it by email or a PM thru CERB or by phone. I have yet to find an MP who would not answer my inquiries regarding the services available and the compensation required. I also found that the MP's at some of the established spas that are found on CERB were forthcoming about services offered and compensation when they were approached discretely by email or PM thru CERB. The key is discretion! Hope this helps the newbies... Rodehard

When I first read this thread and then any time someone would post I would get very frustrated by not being able to remember what I wanted to be when I was a kid and suddenly it just came to my mind. I used to tell my mom I would be a doctor to take care of her & dad when they got old. I have no idea what I was thinking medicine is so not for me but the good thing is I now know I don't have to be a doctor to take care of them,, they are not old yet but I have a plan for when that day comes :)

To a certain extent, rates are set to attract certain clients, as much as to serve as a signal to the potential clients as to what they can expect. Someone who spends a lot on themselves in other ways (5 star restaurant, 5 star hotels, more expensive lifestyle and homes) are going to spend in that 500/hr (or more range) because they are reading the signals. They can be guaranteed (probably) the sp will be in a location that they will be comfortable going to (whether condo or hotel), that she will provide the more luxurious surroundings he is accustomed to. She will be able to afford the attention to details, whether it is simply knowing which are better types of wine or just serving them. For regulars, she probably give expensive gifts for birthdays and/or Christmas/holidays. Most people who do more shopping than I do know there is a big difference in the quality of a designer made item and a knock off or a dollar store equivalent. The clothing is constructed better, and with better quality fabrics. It fits better. Accessories last decades because they are made with more attention to the details. For someone like myself (and probably my clients lol), that difference is not important. For people who are more accustomed to that lifestyle, their surroundings actually do make a difference to how comfortable they are going to be. When an escort understands this difference and caters to that clientele, she is usually successful because there are fewer who do. Meaning she is not competing for clients from the larger pool, but from a smaller market and being one of only a very few for that market to select from, she is usually quite busy in spite of the 'fact' some guys will come up with that she isn't doing more (menu items) than someone who charges 200/hr. Well, that's not usually the point, but also, she is doing more. She is doing what that type of client wants, needs and expects. Which is usually more than simple menu items.

This is actually a good point....and yes I will agree that the suggestion of what multiple clients per day entailed was probably what stirred the pot. As for what has changed....this summer I noticed a great flux of new ladies which seems to have continued to the fall....every week it seems there are more ladies joining cerb. which is great for the gents...but sometimes it means that we have to take on 4 clients on one day when and if the opportunity arises because the phone may not ring for the rest of the week. we can definitely say how many client we would limit ourselves to ideally (like the previous poll) if business was regular and steady....but I find that the nature of this business is hardly predictable at times. I think there are many factors that determine how available we make ourselves. And that it rarely boils down to what kind of operation we're running.

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Ho ho ho...I am going to be at the social!!!! Yippy, Looking forward to seeing you all there. I am arriving the 6-9, ohhhh sooo excitted too!

You are definitely going to stir the pot with this one Wellie. I am wondering what your motivation is. I think you are full of it when you say "very young and very old command lower prices". Where did you come up with that? Since there is no "going" rate - we are not governed by some union rules or legislated rate guidelines, believe ladies set their rates according to what they believe the market will bear. Sometimes they are realistic in their thinking - other times they are way off and learn the lesson when their phone doesn't ring. Some ladies who charge low rates do so to get the volume, or they don't know any better to charge more. Often young girls getting into the business will reason that $80 or $100 is better than working at Timmies. This is especially true with some agencies who charge $180 for the hour and give the girl $90 and keep $90 for the fee and driver. Maybe some ladies do not believe they are attractive enough to charge more. Maybe some are financially strapped and are desperate for the money. Some have habits to support and will adjust their rates to suit their desperateness. Then there are some unattractive ladies who charge high prices and wonder why they don't get a lot of calls. Then there are some attractive ladies who charge a little less than they could be, because they're happy with that number, or want to maintain volume. Then there are some attractive ladies who charge very high rates, hoping to attract a more elite type clientele. The reasons and factors are varied - I believe there is no "right" or "wrong" answers. Yes, some cities, like Montreal, seem to operate on a lower rate structure, but you still have your $300 an hour SPs living there. Age and attractiveness usually are what we consider the driving forces. But I also believe, attitude level of service and other things dictate the bottom line of how popular an SP is going to be. I learned that when I got into the business and thought I was too chunky to be an SP and learned very quickly that there is something for everyone and if you're willing to provide good service, there will always be someone out there who will be willing to see you. :butt: