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That was not quite my thinking, but I agree that it does happen. That is where research and having a proven track record for both SP and client can help. If she is "demanding" rather than asking for payment upfront, usually a sign of poor services, especially with some of the former CL girls.

FO, you can take whatever you like from my posts. It is not manipulative at all, but if that is how you feel, so be it. I guess as a consumer/client and a guy that works hard for my money, I like to spend it the way I like. I don't pay my mechanic, doctor, lawyer, landscaper, carpenter or anyone else before they deliver their services. SP's claim that they are like any other professional that delivers a service, and want/demand to be treated as such. Mechanics, doctors, lawyers, landscapers do not get paid until they deliver their services to the consumer, so because it is for "companion time", it should be different? Aplying your thinking, taking the money before "companion time" has been enjoyed sounds manipulative to me. What recourse as a consumer of your "time" do I have if the she does not "deliver" What if she just sits there watching TV, on her cell, bitching about her husband/boyfriend/kids during my "companion time"? What if the agreed on " companion time" is 60 minutes and she decides to leave at the 40 minute mark? What if she is hungover or high during my time? Not like I can go to LE (which I would never do) or to the Better Business Bureau or Chamber of Commerce and lay a complaint is it? Is she going to refund me 1/3 of the agreed price if she cuts out at 40 minutes....don't think so. Those cases are very very few and far between. It is much more likely that they guy is screwed and has to suck it up, there are tons more cases of this happening than getting a refund. What happen's if I ask for 1/3 back for her cutting out early and she refuses, what if she decides to accuse me of sexual assault or something? Can I lay a complaint and have her license pulled? Fat chance. Truth of the matter is, once the guy pays, the SP has ALL the control and pretty much can do as she likes. The only recourse client's have is to post a review what happened and warn other's and that is pretty much what a "Review" forum is about, the exchange of information regarding SP's. The only thing we have going for us is that we can not repeat, post a review and warn others which puts a kink in an SP's reputation and may lower her income in getting fewer sessions when word gets out. I know you from other forum's FO and I actually do respect and agree with your thinking on quite a number of issues. As we are both aware, this is a recommendation board, and thus not your typical review board. Everything here is pretty much rosy and shinny and glowing, but not the real world if you think about it for a bit. There are many, more cases of guys getting ripped off than ladies, think CL, BP, Dutt's. When guys or ladies are exposed for ripping the other off, community peer pressure ensues and nature takes it's course and hopefully things get fixed most of the time. What it comes down to is trust and respect for each other. If you read my quote at the top, you can see that I agree with paying a girl up front if that is her policy. So, I don't quite get where you get off hanging this on me, because I did not disagree with you. What I indicated was that a number of ladies that "I have seen" are fine with the donation being given at the end and if they are a good provider their product "companion time" will stand the test (payment after a session). If a guy has a good reputation and the girl has a good reputation, it should not matter when the donation is given. As you ladies want to be treated as "professionals", then have your product stand the test and deliver your product with the confidence that your client will be happy and satisfied with your services. I pay my doctor after the visit, I pay my lawyer after the visit, I pay my mechanic after repairs are done. If their services are not what I paid for, I have the recourse of lodging a complaint with a professional association. Who do I lodge a complaint with when I pay up front and services are not delivered? I will tell you who......no one, except a review board. Any SP that I have seen a few times has no concern that I will pay after my "companion time", it is a given. I always pay no matter the service, because that was the agreement, I have no issue with that. The thing that I do is research extensively prior to a session (95% of the time) and only see ladies that have a proven track record of delivering. With respect and a proven track record by both parties there should be no concerns over when payment is to be received. If you want to be viewed as professionals then accept it for what it is. In my view if a lady is demanding payment up front there is usually a reason for it..............and it is not a good reason.

Wanted to post something after this thread got to 1000 views, but could not think of much. Had a bit of an inspiration tonight. Not a great deal has changed over the past couple months, no surprise there. MP's, escort agencies, home town and traveling Indies are pretty much all as per usual. We sometimes get an influx of Indie's for 10-14 days, then none for a couple weeks. SW are few and far between, but they could possibly pick up in the Spring/Summer. I think LE is keeping the DT clear of these girls, but I do see one occasionally. One thing that I do not think I have mentioned previous is the Asian Micro girls. Although there is no AM in Red Deer, there is a small stream of Asian girls that come here for a weekend once in a while. Some come from a micro in Edmonton and some from a micro in Calgary. I chatted with a lady from a micro in Calgary some months ago and she indicated that they are "testing the water's" in Red Deer, sending girls occasionally to check the interest. I am assuming the someday they might set up shop here, but that may be a while. In the mean time, checking out the CL replacements seems to be the way to go to find these Asian treats.

There are a few that fit, but "find your companion on CERB" would certainly be one of them.

I had a whole different concept of this thread when I read the title.

The girl across the alley from me. I even remember her name...........*sigh*, those were the days.

As long as that works for you, that is fine, to each their own, nothing wrong with that. I know that I count my money a few times as well. I would just caution you to ensure that you are confident that you will obtain the expected services from your SP, especially if she is new or has very few reviews. I know it may seem impossible to some but there have actually been reported cases of SP's (not CERB ladies) taking the donation up front and providing lackluster services. I know, I can't hardly believe it either!!

Good topic! I too would like to know what colognes the ladies prefer on a man. Not just talking about an encounter, but in everyday life.

Hi, I just had a look at your pictures and I think you are a very attractive woman. It is true that I like a girt to be a bit more voluptuous, and you fit that bill nicely. For me if a girl has a good personality and takes care of herself, that is what means most to me and you seem to take care of those nicely. Thanks for letting me see your pictures.

she does get a bit naughty, but not too much.

Hi RobX, I think if anything you had just a bit of an awkward moment. I really would not read much into it, we all have had our "oops" moments with a lady. Especially if you have seen her before, or a fair number of times, it really is nothing to worry about. I really have no problem at all paying up front if asked, especially if I have never seen the lady previous. If I find that paying up front is SOP, then so be it, no worries. Many ladies I see, after the first or second time, have no problems with the donation being given at the end of the session. If a lady is a good provider, then her product will stand the test. If you are an established pooner with a good reputation, there should not be any concerns that the donation will be given after services have been given.

I guess I need to ask if you ever did pay her the money that you had forgotten? If so, how did she handle it when you did pay her, any issues? What is the relationship like now? Especially if she is someone that you have seen regularly and you enjoy a good rapport with and you resolved the financial issue post haste, I can see where it would not impact the relationship. We all make mistakes from time to time, but this is a mistake you must never make again. I have a couple regulars that I have seen each maybe 15 times. I can imagine that if I forgot my donation, and I never would, that it would not be a game changer. I would, of course go directly to an ATM, secure the funding and make good as fast as possible, within the SP's boundaries and my most humble apologies. Last year I was at an Asian Micro, had a great session, got dressed and was about to leave when I remembered that I forgot to give the donation. The girl was surprised, she totally forgot about it until I gave her the money. Had I forgot, I would have called the mamasan and arranged payment with her.

Are you a bad person? Not at all. It took my two years since I had the thought of seeing a girl to actually doing the deed. If you have some moral issues, only you can decide and work through them if you want to see a girl. I had similar issues and maybe more, but it was worth the work and the risk for me, and if you do indulge, make sure you are discrete and cover your ass big time. If you get sloppy, you will pay the price. For me it is about 3 1/2 years into the hobby and I love indulging. My tastes and desires have become changed a great deal in that time. I have met some wonder people, mostly the ladies, a few whackos and my confidence with women has soared. Not to mention some fantastic sex with some extremely beautiful women. Think it through and do what is right for you, take you time, it is a big decision. If you do want to indulge, make sure you read the forums a great deal. There is a mountain of information here that will assist you in so many ways in the future. Good luck to you with whatever choice you make.