Why are so many places Asian?

[Megan'sTouch 23875]

I a little silly asking this question, but I would very much like to know, why are so many massage parlours "Asian"?

[MiaBella 10988]

I would Love to know too!

[slurp 7020]

Because so many guys want to see Asians???? Perhaps the reputation that you can get a lot for little with them. That used to be the case but not anymore, IMO.

 

Not all that many years ago there weren't many Asians MA or SP here, now there are many. If they weren't making money they would move on I'm sure. And I would guess this is an area they feel they can make the money with little hassle.

[Guest S***dst***]

Ancient Chinese Secret!

I couldn't resist :P

Although I have no useful responses, sorry :/

[Rodehard 2058]

Could it be because Asians have discovered creative marketing that is using the perception of the "Western or Caucasian male" that he is more likely to be pampered and treated at a "higher level or in different ways" at an Asian massage parlour than one run by Caucasian females.

 

There is still the stereo type of the "cute, shy, submissive Asian girl" eager to please in any way that appeals to a lot of "western males". Images for example of geishas and steam bath massage attendants that are heavily reinforced by the way they have been portrayed over the years in Hollywood movies that lead to fantasies of being pampered and treated in ways that are not available in a non-Aisian massage parlour.

 

This could also explain why so much of the advertising that markets Asian massage parlour relies on images of young sweet demure girls, so eager to please. Likely why "bait and switch" is such a problem with these businesses, it is the image and the fantasy that is being marketed and not necessarily the quality of the service.

 

Beyond that, maybe its just because its different and at some point in time, we all like to try different!

 

Just my two cents worth..............

 

Rodehard

[Boomer 33202]

I think it's rather simple, there's a lot of supply out there. I also thiink maybe all the Asian MP's aren't necessarilly there by choice.

[sexnonstop724 1727]

It is there because there is a demand for it. Not because of the supply. If there is no demand for Asian services, you won't see a whole lot of Asian girls around. Secondly, it might be the language barrier that limits how these Asian girls operate. They would rely mostly on these agencies to line up business for them. They might tour as visitors, work in different cities a couple of weeks at a time. Make their quick money and leave the country. These agencies will have to maximize on each girl since they both need to recover the cost of bringing a girl over. Thus the aggressive marketing. If there is not a huge demand for Asian providers, they would not take the legal and financial risks to import these Asian service providers.

 

 

SNS724

[Paradise Spa 24019]

I think it's rather simple, there's a lot of supply out there. I also thiink maybe all the Asian MP's aren't necessarilly there by choice.

 

Very well put Boomer :)

[whiteman 14028]

Amongst asian MP owners, they like to only hire their own kind, because that's who they feel most comfortable with. The girls also feel most comfortable around owners of their own race. But of course, in many cases this works against them, as the owners feel most comfortable mistreating them too.

[roamingguy 300291]

I also thiink maybe all the Asian MP's aren't necessarilly there by choice.

 

I've had the same suspicion, and it seems, at least to me and my old eyes, that some of these ladies, no change that, girls, are underage...especially looking at the Toronto sites.

Me, I stay away, I get the feeling that they are forced to work off their visas

I've also wondered the same thing about Russian/East European escorts too

RG

[Krusty 473]

Two items A) The Asian culture is far more open with massage, shiatsu, accupuncture/accupressure and the ties to the ancient healing arts. I think we can all agree on the therapeutic benefits of even sensual massage on the human body and spirit. On the flipside, just think about how many middle eastern or eastern Indian masseuses you know? Not many if any at all.

 

And my main point B) I think the premise that there are "so many" Asian massage parlours is not accurate. I have visited many of the establishments below

 

-Bodycare- not Asian

-CMJ - not Asian

-Angel's Touch - not Asian

-PAradise Spa - not Asian

-Relax and Enjoy - not Asian

-Acqua - not Asian

-Luna - not Asian

-Oasis - not Asian

-Michelle's (on Donald) - not Asian

-Island (near Michelle's) - not Asian

-Erica's - not Asian

-AAA Spa - not Asian (suspected as I have not visited)

-Michelle_MA - not Asian

-Bethany - not Asian (suspected by photos but I have not visited and KNOW I should)

-Jessica Massage - not Asian

-Jude Masso - not Asian

-Tantric Touch - not Asian

-Krissy - not Asian

-Lamora's - not Asian

-Linda's - not Asian (i suspect based on descriptions but have never been)

-Miss Megan - not Asian (although I have also yet to coordinate a visit and shame on me for that)

 

-Asian on Colonnade - Asian

-Merivale - Asian (i forget the number just south of Carling on West side above the XXX store)

-256 Bank St. - Asian

-386 Bank St. - Asian (suspected as I have not visited to confirm)

-Jade - Asian

-Ting Ting's - Asian

 

This list alone is not all inclusive but the tally of this list alone is 21-6. I know I am missing many but I think you get my point. In my opinion, there are far more non Asian places than Asian.

[Guest gagagaga]

It could be because Asian people make up a huge percentage of our immigrant population. Many immigrants that do not speak english or maybe don't have advanced education end up in this type of industry so it makes sense that there would be a lot of asian places.

[whiteman 14028]

I've had the same suspicion, and it seems, at least to me and my old eyes, that some of these ladies, no change that, girls, are underage...especially looking at the Toronto sites.

Me, I stay away, I get the feeling that they are forced to work off their visas

I've also wondered the same thing about Russian/East European escorts too

RG

 

I don't think the Russian places are in the same category. The ladies aren't forced to work there, but the ownership might have ties to their mob. At worst they may be a front for something else.

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It could be because Asian people make up a huge percentage of our immigrant population. Many immigrants that do not speak english or maybe don't have advanced education end up in this type of industry so it makes sense that there would be a lot of asian places.

 

As Krusty points out, the Asian places aren't really all that numerous compared to non-Asian. But one thing that sets them apart is that at non-Asian places you'll see Asians there occasionally, but not vice-versa.

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[newinwinnipeg 100]

Often it is that they can not be escorts, because there is little market for asian girls at going rates. There would be for japanese or korean, but chinese and phillipino are not that hot for most guys. On the other hand, for "half the money"...

[onesquared 110]

Shouldn't the MPs on the Quebec side be included? It seems like the ratio is much higher over there.

[Megan'sTouch 23875]

Thanks to everyone who has replied so far.

 

Krusty - I was referring to parlours, not independents. Even the ones you mentioned as being "not-Asian" like CMJ, are not race-specific. Places like that hire women of different colours. Asian massage parlours are the only ones that are race-specific. I think that is very notable.

[VedaSloan 119179]

I don't think the Russian places are in the same category. The ladies aren't forced to work there, but the ownership might have ties to their mob. At worst they may be a front for something else.

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Why the assumption that Asians are forced to work, but Eastern Europeans are not?

 

Why the assumption that they are forced to work at all? For all you know, these women know exactly what they're coming over here for, and come willingly. That doesn't mean they expect to be working as debt-bonded sex slaves, but it doesn't mean they were forced there either.

 

Some of these assumptions are similar to the racist policies of immigration officials who "rescue" aka arrest Asian women only (a good source on Asian migrant sex workers and anti-trafficking laws can be found here : http://intersections.anu.edu.au/issue19/jeffreys.htm ) or the UN document on Trafficking in Women and Children that states that migrant workers CANNOT consent. A little bit patronising, don't you think?

[Megan'sTouch 23875]

Berlin,

 

There is a rather persuasive pro-sex-work-anti-visa-for-sex-work argument. The argument made is that visas are generally only given in the case of a shortage of qualified workers in Canada. We need 100,000 plumbers but only 20,000 people in Canada are qualified to work as plumbers, so let's bring in more! You get the point.

 

Fact is, there are ample women qualified to work as sex workers in Canada. Massage parlour owners and strip club owners will argue that Canadian women aren't filling the demand so they need to give out Visas.

 

Why should we give out Visas when women in Canada are qualified? Why are not enough Canadian women working in massage parlours, strip clubs, etc. Well maybe if they improved the quality of employment (better pay, fair work standards, better work environments, etc.) then Canadian women would want to work there!

 

So why should we give out work Visas to bring in women from other countries because Canadian women won't work in such crappy standards? Shouldn't the lack of employees be an incentive to improve their work standards instead of bringing in women from other countries?

 

I'm not talking about reputable clubs, I'm talking about the ones that no one wants to work for.

 

I'm not entirely sure of this argument, but I think it's worth noting and investigating further.

 

Megan

[tantric 350]

Well from what I have seen many of the woman are working in these places because they don't speak english very well, and their employers can speak chinesse.

Also it seems to be a means to make cash as they try to go to school, and they usually stop when they graduate from whatever course they where taking.

[VedaSloan 119179]

Berlin' date='

 

There is a rather persuasive pro-sex-work-anti-visa-for-sex-work argument. The argument made is that visas are generally only given in the case of a shortage of qualified workers in Canada. We need 100,000 plumbers but only 20,000 people in Canada are qualified to work as plumbers, so let's bring in more! You get the point.

 

Fact is, there are ample women qualified to work as sex workers in Canada. Massage parlour owners and strip club owners will argue that Canadian women aren't filling the demand so they need to give out Visas.

 

Why should we give out Visas when women in Canada are qualified? Why are not enough Canadian women working in massage parlours, strip clubs, etc. Well maybe if they improved the quality of employment (better pay, fair work standards, better work environments, etc.) then Canadian women would want to work there!

 

So why should we give out work Visas to bring in women from other countries because Canadian women won't work in such crappy standards? Shouldn't the lack of employees be an incentive to improve their work standards instead of bringing in women from other countries?

 

I'm not talking about reputable clubs, I'm talking about the ones that no one wants to work for.

 

I'm not entirely sure of this argument, but I think it's worth noting and investigating further.

 

Megan[/quote']

 

Interesting argument, and one I hadn't heard before. I'm not entirely sure how I feel about it. On the one hand, sure, let's improve the working standards so more Canadian women will take advantage. But on the other hand, migrant sex workers should have the right to work wherever they choose, provided they have the work permit/visa/what have you.

[cat 262460]

Often it is that they can not be escorts, because there is little market for asian girls at going rates. There would be for japanese or korean, but chinese and phillipino are not that hot for most guys. On the other hand, for "half the money"...

 

I would beg to differ, the right asian is worth her weight in platinum as an escort. Even a disinterested asian is worth her weight in gold. In my experience they don't like to see caucasian men as escort clients if they are new here. Those born here have a different perspective and are easy to market. I think it's a culture thing. There is a tremendous amount of shame brought on the families if it is found out, thus all the b+s. Parlors are more private, less chance of someone they know walking in.

cat

[Mister T 45020]

Berlin' date='

 

There is a rather persuasive pro-sex-work-anti-visa-for-sex-work argument. The argument made is that visas are generally only given in the case of a shortage of qualified workers in Canada. We need 100,000 plumbers but only 20,000 people in Canada are qualified to work as plumbers, so let's bring in more! You get the point.

 

Fact is, there are ample women qualified to work as sex workers in Canada. Massage parlour owners and strip club owners will argue that Canadian women aren't filling the demand so they need to give out Visas.

 

Why should we give out Visas when women in Canada are qualified? Why are not enough Canadian women working in massage parlours, strip clubs, etc. Well maybe if they improved the quality of employment (better pay, fair work standards, better work environments, etc.) then Canadian women would want to work there!

 

So why should we give out work Visas to bring in women from other countries because Canadian women won't work in such crappy standards? Shouldn't the lack of employees be an incentive to improve their work standards instead of bringing in women from other countries?

 

I'm not talking about reputable clubs, I'm talking about the ones that no one wants to work for.

 

I'm not entirely sure of this argument, but I think it's worth noting and investigating further.

 

Megan[/quote']

 

 

Hiring foreign women to work as dancers may not be as easy. To emit a visa, HRSDC has to emit an opinion (Called a labour market opinion). Point 5 is interesting :

 

In order to establish that there is a shortage of Canadian dancers available for the jobs for which employers wish to hire foreign dancers, employers must provide HRSDC/Service Canada with copies of printed advertisements as proof of their efforts to recruit Canadian citizens and permanent residents for identical employment with the same conditions and benefits being provided to the foreign worker.

 

http://www.rhdcc-hrsdc.gc.ca/eng/workplaceskills/foreign_workers/ed/edbulletin.shtml

 

Just thought i'd share this ... Havent seen much for parlours though.

[newinwinnipeg 100]

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And my main point B) I think the premise that there are "so many" Asian massage parlours is not accurate. I have visited many of the establishments below

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This list alone is not all inclusive but the tally of this list alone is 21-6. I know I am missing many but I think you get my point. In my opinion, there are far more non Asian places than Asian.

 

I am very happy to be mistaken, actually.

 

PS. Thanks for such a comprehensive list...I am visiting soon. ;-)

[Jdelano 100]

I agree, there are not too many Asian places. I find Asians are much more open with their service whether they are an MP or a SP. I'm old fashioned and like women with hair around the Y. Most Asians have hair. And they are small and tight which works well for and old guy. Some of them are really educated in massage and you get a great nassage with all the fun rolled in.

[Krusty 473]

Thanks to everyone who has replied so far.

 

Krusty - I was referring to parlours' date=' not independents. Even the ones you mentioned as being "not-Asian" like CMJ, are not race-specific. Places like that hire women of different colours. Asian massage parlours are the only ones that are race-specific. I think that is very notable.[/quote']

 

Megan, Understood. But even removing independent's you still have 14 non Asian spots (13 if you want to argue about Erica's as she typically only books by appointment but she does put a shingle outside). The ratio is still much higher for non Asian.

 

And as much as I LOVE CMJ and have been a member over 2 years now, the ratio of Asian to non-Asian is relatively low and each Asian there outside of perhaps Suki, has been pretty much a Canadian of Asian descent.

 

But to specifically address your point, I think the real answer may lie in that the "rub and tug" business has more of a stigma to home grown Canadians than it does to immigrants from a culture where women providing men with pleasure seems to be far more acceptable. So why not open put your shingle out, promote it, make it easy to find and perhaps even draw in a few just looking for a rub and not the tug.