Let's talk about brothels

[SamanthaEvans 166766]

With all of the discussion about changes in the laws pertaining to prostitution, including changing the bawdy house laws, frequent references are made to brothels. There is an implicit assumption that most sex trade workers will want to work in brothels. Some articles I've read even expect that new laws may make licensed brothels the only legal places where prostitution may occur.

 

While I can appreciate that some women enjoy sharing facilities for many good reasons, and while I think they certainly should be able to do that if they want to, I would never work in a brothel; I do very nicely on my own. I value my privacy; I'm not interested in sharing space used by other workers; and I see no reason to give the house a percentage of my earnings. I'm certain that privacy concerns would prevent the majority of my clients from visiting me or anyone else in a licensed brothel.

 

What about you? If you're a paid companion, would you work in a licensed brothel or some other establishment, or would you continue to work as you do now?

 

If you're a hobbyist, would you visit a recognized brothel?

[roamingguy 300292]

Even if licensed and legal, I wouldn't go to a brothel.

For me, seeing a lady is much much much more than paying for sexual services. It is the initial meeting, sitting down, talking over drinks, kissing/cuddling, and yes the sexual side as well. But it's part of the encounter, not the whole reason for the encounter...at least for me.

I couldn't see myself having this type of encounter in a brothel, people coming and going.

My preference is an outcall to my hotel room or to the lady's incall.

And as a final thought, brothels feed into the sterotype that escorting is just about sex for money, I think for alot of guys, it's much more than that, and the ladies provide more than just sex, they provide companionship.

RG

[Guest W***ledi*Time]

Perhaps it would be useful to define "brothel" for the purposes of this discussion. Brothels need not necessarily be large industrial-type establishments.

 

In New Zealand, for example, a brothel is defined as "any premises kept or habitually used for the purposes of prostitution". In New Zealand, there are two classifications of brothel:

 

First, the small owner-operated brothel which does not require registration or licensing. To fall into this category, the brothel must have not more than 4 sex workers; and each of those workers must retain control over his or her individual earnings from the sex work that is carried out at the brothel. Inspections and entry to such "home-based" brothels by the authorities is not allowed without a warrant based on reasonable suspicion that a law of some sort is being violated.

 

Second: the larger brothels. These are the facilities where there must be a person who is the registered operator. These larger brothels require the operator to hold an Operator's Certificate, and they are subject to open inspections to ensure compliance with health and labour regulations, etc.

 

So, as the New Zealand experience shows, not all brothels need be created equal. Your own one-worker independant operation would be defined as a "small owner-operated brothel" were it to fall under a law like New Zealand's. And the only difference from what you would be doing today at a private in-call would be that what you are doing would be legal instead of illegal.

 

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2003/0028/latest/whole.html#dlm197815

[MiaBella 10988]

Ya know, when I think of Brothels, I have that whole picture of the Westerns in movies. Frankly, if that was the case, and I could wear all those amazing dresses and have my hair all big, a piano playing in the background, and cowboys everywhere gambling. I Totally Would!

 

However, those would not be the circumstances of today's brothels. Sharing my private room and closet with another girl. Having my gentlemen walking in and out in front of others. No Thank you. I see the sisterhood and kum-ba-yah of it all, but it's just not for me.

I can;t even live with a room mate. Let alone share my bed with another lady and some stranger.

[Guest jake_cdn]

I still have no idea why the government feels that it has the right to legislate any business unless it harms the society as a whole.

 

Brothels can be an accepted part of society just as independent SPs should be. Both could service the needs of the population.

 

Visiting legalized brothels or SPs should be a matter of choice. Personally, I am looking for more of a personalized encounter that may be available in a brothel but definitely is available from our under-appreciated SPs.

 

The discussion of these laws should include the indepentent person as well as institutionalized services.

 

I know that I would choose the independent SP if both were available simply based on my experience through this board.

[SamanthaEvans 166766]

WiT, thank you for posting that information about New Zealand brothels. It's very helpful and I appreciate it.

 

MiaBella, I really did laugh aloud when I read your post because that's the kind of thing I think of, too, when I hear that word! And, like you, I need to work alone.

 

roamingguy, the reasons you give are exactly the ones that I have, too. It's not just about the sex. I provide more than that--time, relaxation, conversation, the opportunity to take things in many different directions, depending on our inclinations. To me, that requires privacy and a high degree of control over, or in, the setting.

 

jake_cd, I can't understand why the government should get involved in any business that doesn't harm society in general, either. Lots of people--particularly religious conservatives and anti-sex feminists--may say that prostitution does harm women and society, but I think that it's very difficult to prove this conclusively. If people want to go to multi-worker brothels, that's fine with me. I don't want to work in one and I don't think that a lot of men would use them.

[Guest **ng***1]

I have never been to a brothel. I had chances to go. Friends, colleagues in Vegas went to the Cherry Patch Ranch, some out of shear curiosity, but I just wasn't interested. I much prefer arranging a date and spending time with one person that you thought about and wanted to be with.

[roamingguy 300292]

 

roamingguy, the reasons you give are exactly the ones that I have, too. It's not just about the sex. I provide more than that--time, relaxation, conversation, the opportunity to take things in many different directions, depending on our inclinations. To me, that requires privacy and a high degree of control over, or in, the setting.

 

 

Samantha

I remember all the ladies I have seen

Some (in the minority) I remember not so fondly. Some I remember as good encounters

But the ones that I not only remember, but look upon as memories

involved so much more than the sex, the conversation, relaxation, getting to know one another, so far I have memories with three wonderful ladies

RG

[MightyPen 67414]

I think a brothel could be a source of fantastically good, healthy fun. And I say this as one of the guys who values shared intimacy, mutual interest and respect, and much more than simple sex when visiting an SP.

 

It's all in the setup.

 

W.I.T. does the thread a good service by pointing out that brothels come in many forms. The large-scale, "industrial" operations hold no interest at all to me (although I respect that for some people that would be ideal). Personally I'd hate to be intimate with someone's employee; I want my companion to be in full control of her participation, her environment, and receiving the full benefit of her fee.

 

But I can imagine a brothel as a much more intimate yet partly shared space; let's say a few women working out of a house which they run together and have imbued with their own character. Now it reflects their own tastes, the environment they like, and they'll take some pride in something they've built together for their mutual benefit. Visits to my favourite SP would now sometimes include saying "hi!" to her charming partners, some optional semi-private time with my SP in a more open part of the house, and a chance to retire to a more private section whenever we choose.

 

A visit might even involve -- gasp! -- sometimes meeting other patrons. This could be minimized if that's important to the client, but it's about comfort levels. I don't see anything wrong with cracking open the box in which my SP and I see each other and letting some of the world shine in. Being seen by others doesn't have to be a bad thing -- there's nothing wrong with what we're doing, so it's about shedding one's own sense of guilt. Beyond that, a little semi-private time in the session is no different than starting an appointment by spending some time at a restaurant or a bar before moving to a private space at home or in a hotel. But to accommodate those who recoil at the idea, wise brothel owners will invest in private spaces and good soundproofing.

 

I think it's entirely possible to have a positive relationship with your SP, shared and significant intimate time, real sharing, plus some great fun -- whether these things takes place integrated into the world and people surrounding you, or shut away in an exclusively private space. It's all about the participants, and the kind of space you build.

[Malika Fantasy 144625]

I could never work or be in a large scale brothel like in Nevada. I understand that some may find it reassuring to have so many people close by, so the chance of agression from the client is is way lower...but eeeek no thanks!

 

But I am with Mia, if it was like in the Old Western with big dresses and wigs...count me in!

 

I value my own privacy, I like to be in my own stuff and use my stuff...I am a bit of a freak when it come to cleaning. I don't have OCD but when it come to body fluid and all that...since I don't have a bedroom only for my SPing, I use my own bed and I put a clean sheet over it each time, even if the person I am with is squeeky clean.

 

Though I wouldn't have a problem sharing an apartment with another lady and work from there.

[MightyPen 67414]

But I am with Mia, if it was like in the Old Western with big dresses and wigs...count me in!

Side note: if anyone ever managed to set up an occasion like this, with the big dresses, laced-up boots, and a chance to take "Miss Penelope" upstairs from the parlour... I am so there!! :)

 

Serious boyhood fantasy.

 

(And yes, someone's got to be playing a piano somewhere...)

[fortunateone 156618]

Right now the massage parlours have that brothel effect, i.e. the clients come and go, maybe meeting or crossing paths, the sps share their space and workspace, and clients for that matter, and may or may not be in a place that requires them to do a line up (or at least meet the potential client) due to the fact that is pretty much the only way clients can find out anything about them. It is not like seekng an indy, where they connect one to one, and many many workers prefer that set up of going to a 9-5 workplace, and keep these appt setups in the hands of someone else.

 

It isn't unlike any other kind of biz, really. There are some who want to be their own boss, have their own "shop", and there are others who simply want to clock in and out, leave it all behind them when they drive out of the parking lot at the end of the day.

 

In other words, a very few massage parlours are already brothels, as they have the necessary license for sexual activity, even if that activity is limited to hand release. The workers have to get a license, issued by the city, to work there, as well.

 

I think the nice thing about NZ is they have created the options for working for yourself in your own space and working for someone else in a brothel setup.

 

There is a show called "Satisfaction", set in an Australian brothel. Gives you a pretty good idea of the sort of thing described. The clients hang out there, sps wander around in a state of undress to meet and greet. Clients may prebook appts, but showup earlier to have a drink or hang out to meet others, then go to the appt. Or they might show up to meet whoever is there, and decide from there. It looks very open and natural, actually, but both client and sex worker need to be completely comfortable with that level of exposure. This goes hand in hand with it being both legal and regulated tho, that sps can be comfortable in that situation.

[rickoshadows 937]

I have been to Brothels in Both Australia and new Zealand. In none of the places I went to, was there a lineup and pick your girl. These places had a lounge area where you copuld sit and meet the girls and when you found one you hit it off with, you could retire to a room with one or two. At the Pelican club in Aukland NZ, the lounge was as crowded as any popular club, standing room only. The Boardroom in Melbourne was probably my favourite place because it was so laid back. I could sit by the bar and over the next few minutes, the girls came by introduced themselves and a few hung around to chat a bit. It allows one to get a feel if there is going to be chemistry or not. With some you could tell right away there wasn't going to be, and both parties would smile move on to another. It probably gives the girls an option too. I have been to places in other countires where you can pick a girl out of a line up, but they certainly aren't my preference.

[Miss Scarlett 25073]

I like the other wonderful ladies here when I hear the word "Brothel" I think of an old western style brothel. Only thing is I would be the madame! haha

[MiaBella 10988]

Side note: if anyone ever managed to set up an occasion like this, with the big dresses, laced-up boots, and a chance to take "Miss Penelope" upstairs from the parlour... I am so there!! :)

 

Serious boyhood fantasy.

 

(And yes, someone's got to be playing a piano somewhere...)

 

OMG I'm really thinking about it now.... Shortcake, you're the Madame. Set it on up! lol

I'll deal Texas Hold 'Em!!!

[Guest f***2f***]

OMG I'm really thinking about it now.... Shortcake, you're the Madame. Set it on up! lol

I'll deal Texas Hold 'Em!!!

 

MMMMM I wanna take the dealer upstairs!!!

[PistolPete 61421]

MMMMM I wanna take the dealer upstairs!!!

 

LOL..

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z42avv3KBCU

 

"If your going to play the game, know how to play the game right"

 

"you got to know when to fold 'em...when the dealing's done"

[Andee 220524]

Like Shortcake, if I was going to work in a brothel, it would be probably as management. I always like to have another girl around to share an in-call with. Fortunately finding someone compatible can be a challenge. I am so glad the lady I am currently sharing with has the same work ethic as me. I just hope she doesn't retire anytime soon.

 

[Kubrickfan 12836]

There's very little possibility I would ever visit one as these encounters are all about a one-to-one experience with another human being. I just dont like the implication of some type of "shop" for such an intimate activity. Not my cup of tea.

[Gentleman11 10508]

Love this string! - Sharing a quality lady is a personal experience that does not work, never has, in a public environment such as a "brothel". It's great fun when you're a young buck and lass going out with the guys & girls. However, quality, privacy, physical awareness, want of intimacy, experience and sincerity take over - lessons from a soon-to-be-senior....

 

Can't remember where I heard this but it is worth a laugh...."it's a shame that youth is wasted on the young".

 

I enjoy this site more and more, each and every day - thank you folks for sharing your lives with me.

[SamanthaEvans 166766]

I really appreciate the contributions everyone has made to this thread. It's valuable for me to see the range of opinions and preferences. It's also interesting to see how much we tend to agree about the kind of experiences most of us want to offer or to have with clients and companions.

 

WiT and Lou, I'm in your debt for being so clear about the state of legislation and the potential changes and implications ahead of us all. Thank you!

 

I think it would be wonderful fun to have an extended, multi-person fantasy play, though, in the Western theme. I've long admired Miss Kitty from Gunsmoke, and Dolly Parton's character in The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas. I'd be delighted to pour drinks in such an establishment! Imagine: Shortcake is the Madam, I'm the bartender... fun!

 

That aside, I know I'm not the only one who has clients who are well-known public figures who would not want to run into anyone, ever. Being able to offer completely private, discrete encounters is very important.

[Guest T**E******s]

That sounds like real fun. Dolly hair, communal bubble baths :) card rooms, cigars on the deck. Velvets, ruffles, pearls, chaise lounges, those big ole four poster beds and a gun in the garter, for when the sheriff arrived to coerce him into a pair of cuffs *snicker*.

 

With the ladies being indie, each their own private room, not used by others when their off, would be cheaper than a apartment rental. A non judgemental and fun society for those who appreciate it.

 

A little hedonistic showing for those of us who enjoy a good show :) Sign me up on the dotted line.

 

It's a shame that in the past there was either less stigma attached to a Cat House, or people were just better at keeping their mouths shut about who they saw, doing what, while there. Many upstanding business men, political figures and farmers could be seen sharing a card game or a good woman, with out fear of the repercussions. They were either scared of swimming with the fish, or understood what discretion means.

[Phaedrus 209521]

A question on all this: does the existence of legal and recognized brothels (as in NZ and some parts of Oz) lead to their existence - and thus visiting or working in them - becoming more mainstream and accepted by society at large? Just wondering if anyone has any clue about this...

[JuliasUndies 7288]

I much prefer working for myself than working for or with anyone else. I like calling the shots and giving men options that cater to them that I wouldn't be able to give them working for an establishment with time limits and rules and such. I enjoy providing a service as much as the client receiving it, and working for myself I can provide and achieve this. We can focus on what's important for instance, your needs, no interruptions or distractions, what you want , being able to provide a variety of services custom to you, in a personal setting.

[SamanthaEvans 166766]

A question on all this: does the existence of legal and recognized brothels (as in NZ and some parts of Oz) lead to their existence - and thus visiting or working in them - becoming more mainstream and accepted by society at large? Just wondering if anyone has any clue about this...

 

That's a good question, Phaedrus. I don't know the answer. I can imagine certain tax advantages for the proprietor, though, whether she works alone or with others.

 

By and large, I imagine that it could depend, in part, on how business licenses are determined, or whether they're needed. I do other, non-sex work, as well, from my home. Technically, my neighbourhood isn't zoned for this kind of thing, but so many people work from home as entrepreneurs or even as employees of offices elsewhere nowadays, that the city doesn't get angsty about it unless there are complaints from neighbours about parking, noise and so on.

 

I imagine that, if I were to declare that that I operate a brothel, that could upset the neighbours even if the brothel was legal. As things are now, I'd be considered to be operating a bawdy house, which is not legal, and I keep a low profile so that the neighbours don't need to be concerned.

 

I would prefer to keep things as confidential as possible, whether working legally or not.