BB anything

[Angeltbay 612]

ok, i dont want to offend anyone with this post because i dont believe in BB-anyhing with all the diseases that are out there, i dont like taking the risk. Ive had alot of people ask me if i offer it, and i reply with "if i offer it to you, imagine how many other peopke i offer it to"

Really, just because a lady or gentleman says they are clean doesnt mean they are. Ive known ladies who were escorts in this town that i live in who had herpees, and wasnt using protection (she hasnt been in town for a few yesrs and someone has told me the health unit will be called if she comes back to work) . Why does anyone really want to risk this?

I dont want to scare anyone, but id love to know what people think about this? Like, if u can go to a docctor, show me the papers that you are clean, then maybe ill consider it. But nowadays, Aids, and herpees are a growing epidemic. Ladie4 if you're doing it just for the money, think about all the risks. Gentlemen, think about all the other guys she may have done something with like that. I know it feels better without, but you must think of your health, and the health of the people around you as well (this goes for both parties)

Would you pick someone up from a bar that you dont know and not think about saety issues?

Im just trying to understand the thought process of thoes who offer it, and thoes who request it.

[Tiffany Amber 7031]

Not to be rude or anything, but there has been a couple of threads about this. I am sure people are aware of the risks now adays. There is also a chart of the common STI's and their risks. Maybe you should ask the Mod if you can gain access to the SP area and speak amoung the Ladies? Maybe others feel differently, but I dont think anyone has the right to preach about the right and wrongs in life.

 

As for giving personal info about the lady you metioned without saying her name, I think that is best to keep to yourself. I am some people around you or that knwo you can out 2 and 2 together and figure out who she is. This board does not condone trash talk unless you have 100% proof, then I suggest you speak with the Mod and he can decide what to do from there.

Here is the link to the STI chart and thread: http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=34872&highlight=chart

[Megan'sTouch 23875]

I believe in education so people understand the risks they are taking and how to protect themselves. I also believe that people make decisions that are best for themselves, and what they do with their own body is not up to us to judge.

 

This might sound controversial, but I respect the seriousness of diseases like Hep C and HIV with their potential to severely impact your quality of life and ultimately take it. I don't see what the big deal is about herpes or any STI that is curable with antibiotics. 1/4 women have herpes, so can it really be that big of a deal? If you have to take antibiotics for a week for the equivalent or a common cold, is that really a big deal?

 

I'm not trying to undermine our health here, but I just want to put things in perspective. I think herpes and curable STI's are stigmatized because they are sexually contracted. If they were contracted another way, I don't think it would be such a big deal.

 

Also remember that most gents on this board being older than us received a pre-HIV/AIDS sexual education. We've received a post-HIV/AIDS sexual education.

 

I have personally had only a handful of sexual partners and offer massage partly to reduce my risk of contracting an STI/STD. This is my choice, what works best for me. I respect the personal choices others make about their own body. No judgments here!

[Tiffany Amber 7031]

Other's like Chalmydia, Gonorrhea, BV and HPV are cured with a couple of pills and that's it, but Herpe's is not. You have it for life. And you can give it to someone even if you do not have an outbreak.

 

These are the risks WE take being in this industry! Who are we to judge anyone, but oursleves??

[Capital Hunter 18263]

I agree with you Angel completely and I do not take BB anything either.

 

At the end it is a personal choice. My advice to those ladies that I see regularly and care about a lot is not to offer services that may put them at risk but the buttom line is that it is a personal choice. If a lady like yourself decides not to offer the BB services by all means (and if a client like myself decide not to take them again my personal choice) and those who decide to offer these services again it is entirely their right of choice to do so.

[Angeltbay 612]

like i said, but maybe i should say it differently... im not here to judge, but i would like to know with all these risks, how people go about this? are there safety measures you take? and how do both parties get enough courage to actually do this? Because i hone4tly think it takes alot of guts, and a lot o luck to offer this.

 

As for herpees, it never goes away, and you can even contract it from someone who shows no signs of it. you can REDUCE the risk, but there is no cure

 

 

 

I believe in education so people understand the risks they are taking and how to protect themselves. I also believe that people make decisions that are best for themselves' date=' and what they do with their own body is not up to us to judge.

 

This might sound controversial, but I respect the seriousness of diseases like Hep C and HIV with their potential to severely impact your quality of life and ultimately take it. I don't see what the big deal is about herpes or any STI that is curable with antibiotics. 1/4 women have herpes, so can it really be that big of a deal? If you have to take antibiotics for a week for the equivalent or a common cold, is that really a big deal?

 

I'm not trying to undermine our health here, but I just want to put things in perspective. I think herpes and curable STI's are stigmatized because they are sexually contracted. If they were contracted another way, I don't think it would be such a big deal.

 

Also remember that most gents on this board being older than us received a pre-HIV/AIDS sexual education. We've received a post-HIV/AIDS sexual education.

 

I have personally had only a handful of sexual partners and offer massage partly to reduce my risk of contracting an STI/STD. This is my choice, what works best for me. I respect the personal choices others make about their own body. No judgments here![/quote']

[Megan'sTouch 23875]

I understand that there is no cure for herpes, but I guess I just don't understand what the big deal is. Again, I think it's the sexual nature and stigma that causes a moral panic. Of course no one wants herpes, but as i said 25% of women have it and if you get a cold sore every couple years, what's the big deal? It's not like HIV or Hep C where it has a seriously negative impact on your life.

 

Again, I realize what I'm saying is controversial and I'm not a fan of herpes nor am I looking to contract it, I just think we need to look at the context logically rather than as a moral panic.

[Angeltbay 612]

well stated megan, thanks for explaining that a little better

 

I understand that there is no cure for herpes' date=' but I guess I just don't understand what the big deal is. Again, I think it's the sexual nature and stigma that causes a moral panic. Of course no one wants herpes, but as i said 25% of women have it and if you get a cold sore every couple years, what's the big deal? It's not like HIV or Hep C where it has a seriously negative impact on your life.

 

Again, I realize what I'm saying is controversial and I'm not a fan of herpes nor am I looking to contract it, I just think we need to look at the context logically rather than as a moral panic.[/quote']

[PistolPete 61421]

And I really don't care for these threads that keep coming up,after being discussed in great detail, year after year after year, and please Angeltbay do not take it personally.

 

All you need to do, is have it YOUR WAY while conducting your sexual appetite and not to announce and start fear mongering over BB anything.

 

Educate yourself, get checked out,have sex the way you want it,and keep your own choice to yourself. If a man wishes to have covered everything,which should also include protective dam while giving oral to his lady if he is that worried about BB, then that's his choice,if a lady only offers CBJ and perhaps you should not kiss or DFK too, again that is her choice and preference.

 

Signed....

 

dislikes this controversial topic,only because others really need to educate themselves on the topic at hand and risks involved.

I know I might take some flak for this,but I'm not interested in this debate,and discussions anymore here on this board.

 

 

 

I believe in education so people understand the risks they are taking and how to protect themselves. I also believe that people make decisions that are best for themselves' date=' and what they do with their own body is not up to us to judge.

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[VedaSloan 119179]

I understand that there is no cure for herpes' date=' but I guess I just don't understand what the big deal is. Again, I think it's the sexual nature and stigma that causes a moral panic. Of course no one wants herpes, but as i said 25% of women have it and if you get a cold sore every couple years, what's the big deal? It's not like HIV or Hep C where it has a seriously negative impact on your life.

 

Again, I realize what I'm saying is controversial and I'm not a fan of herpes nor am I looking to contract it, I just think we need to look at the context logically rather than as a moral panic.[/quote']

 

 

I absolutely 100% agree with you. I had a friend contract chlamyida a few months back and his doctor described it as "the common cold for your junk." There is a lot more stigma attached to common, treatable STI's than there needs to be.

 

As for the rest, I try to mitigate some of the risks by doing a visual check first to look out for herpes, genital warts, and crabs. I squeeze the base of the penis to see if there is any funky discharge from the urethra which can indicate a possible infection. Obviously not foolproof, but I've yet to contract anything (knock on wood).

[roamingguy 300291]

The only absolute 100 percent surefire way to avoid any and all std's is to avoid any form of sexual contact. Even monogomy, while theoretically it works, since the only person you know is yourself, can have risks (how many affairs take place in marriages???)

BTW I avoided dating (and sex, except for the palm sisters) for three years, and guess what, avoiding intimacy with a woman is very difficult, if not impossible to do

Just saying

RG

[rickkm 328]

Your profile says open-minded; that may be why some hobbyists ask you for BB.

[Phaedrus 209521]

dislikes this controversial topic,only because others really need to educate themselves on the topic at hand and risks involved.

I know I might take some flak for this,but I'm not interested in this debate,and discussions anymore here on this board.

I have to disagree with you on this one, I'm afraid. If CERB's membership was constant and unchanging, and if we all had perfect memories, then I'd be right with you - but both SPs and hobbyists come and go, and even for those who have been around for a while a reminder of the potential pitfalls isn't necessarily a bad idea.

 

If this thread makes someone, somewhere stop and think a little harder about what they're doing (or not doing), or if someone learns something from it, or if someone decides to go and find out more about something as a result of it, then I think it's been worthwhile. And I won't complain if it comes up again a few months down the road, for the same reasons; we'll have new members by then who won't have seen it before. Those who feel they have nothing further to learn are free to move along.

[Guest Ou**or**n]

While I sympathize with Pete that this topic has come up in the past I think we must realize that there are always new members (both ladies and gents) that have not seen or read them. The nature of all BB's regardless of subject is that the same topics do come up again.

 

I think Megan has made some excellent point in that not all STI's are the same. Some are curable, some are not desireable but manageable and others have severe health impacts. I also agree that STI's get stigmatized even though they may have manageable health impacts.

 

It is a scale of risk that we all take in some form or another by our mere participation in this business. We all have to do our our own research (including reading threads like this) and decide for ourselves the level of risk we are willing to take.

 

There is no reasonable argument for BBFS - the health impact of HIV is life threatening and this is a very high risk activity.

 

For all other activities - BBBJ, DATY, DFK everyone has to decide.

 

I personally have looked into the risk of herpes infection from BBBJ and decided that is a combination of risk and manageability that I am willing to take. This was not some mindless decision with disregard for my own health but the result of a rational investigation and personal decision making.

[Capital Hunter 18263]

Angel has been here only for a couple of months. I have been here three years now and had never seen the very educational chart on various activities. So, even for me this thread was educational as I never realized there is anything HR with daty!!!!. Like OutForFun I have decided based on my risk tolerence limits that certain activities are on and some are off. On another note I think the best way not to see discussion or debate of this kind if not interested is not to take part in one (or even read one). My 2 cents.

[PistolPete 61421]

Button that just type in what ever your heart desires

1) bareback

2) STI'S

3)STD'S

 

 

It is all there to read, new and old members.

 

 

I have to disagree with you on this one, I'm afraid. If CERB's membership was constant and unchanging,

[Megan'sTouch 23875]

Button that just type in what ever your heart desires

1) bareback

2) STI'S

3)STD'S

 

 

It is all there to read, new and old members.

I hear what you're saying, Pete, but I don't think it's reasonable to expect there to be one thread on each topic for the "life" of this forum. It's also often considered poor board etiquette to bump an old thread.

[roamingguy 300291]

I just hope when this is discussed , no one, gentleman or lady, is thinking

"he sees lots of woman because he sees escorts" or " she sees lots of men because she is an escort"

That element has to be taken out of the discussion altogether.

When it comes to talk of std's no one talks about the single unattached guy on the dating scene,seeing more than one woman, or the woman that sits at the bar waiting to be picked up, or the married man/woman seeing someone on the side, and he/she is seeing a few people.

Point is, std's are caused by sex, whether with wife/husband gf/bf single woman/man, or escort/gentleman

Making the escort industry a focal point of the discussion of std's reinforces the negative stereotype that mainstream society has of escorting.

I hope that came out right

RG

[Phaedrus 209521]

I hear what you're saying' date=' Pete, but I don't think it's reasonable to expect there to be one thread on each topic for the "life" of this forum. It's also often considered poor board etiquette to bump an old thread.[/quote']

Quite.

 

Also, information that sits there passively will only get to folks who actively look for it, or stumble across it, whereas a new thread will tend to grab attention, and thus a much wider audience. Which, for this topic, benefits us all.

[PistolPete 61421]

does a new thread tend to grab attention,a recommendation grabs more attention then a thread subject, and a much wider audience,just have a look down the topics in the General Discussions and have a look how many have viewed any subject out of how many members?

 

Some have viewed and played 'The sentence game' more than other important subjects,(which does not bother me).

 

I agree this topic does benefit, to those that are and might be proactive and willing to read.

 

Back to the thread at hand....getting off topic..sorry

 

Quite.

 

Also, information that sits there passively will only get to folks who actively look for it, or stumble across it, whereas a new thread will tend to grab attention, and thus a much wider audience. Which, for this topic, benefits us all.

[Tiffany Amber 7031]

Maybe the MOD can make a new category called "Health Concerns and Issues", so then thoose who want to educated themselves or keep talking about he same topic over and over can and for thoose who already know and are aware of the risks involved can just not go in that area.

Cause I do agree with PP on this, if people do a simple search they can find out anything they want! Not only on this board but on a computer in general! You do not have to be a member of an Escort board to find out about STI's! Unless you have been living under a rock for the past 50+ years, I am sure you have heard about HIV, AIDS and STI's!!

[Cleo Catra 178382]

I just hope when this is discussed , no one, gentleman or lady, is thinking

"he sees lots of woman because he sees escorts" or " she sees lots of men because she is an escort"

That element has to be taken out of the discussion altogether.

When it comes to talk of std's no one talks about the single unattached guy on the dating scene,seeing more than one woman, or the woman that sits at the bar waiting to be picked up, or the married man/woman seeing someone on the side, and he/she is seeing a few people.

Point is, std's are caused by sex, whether with wife/husband gf/bf single woman/man, or escort/gentleman

Making the escort industry a focal point of the discussion of std's reinforces the negative stereotype that mainstream society has of escorting.

I hope that came out right

RG

 

I agree with this so much!!!!! I can't tell you how many times, since i've been in the biz, that I've had people tell me that, if I'm going to sleep with someone in my personal life, I'd 'better tell them I'm an escort cause it's so risky'. I'm sorry but whaaaaaaaaaat? Nevermind all of the people I know who sleep around with whoever they want, some with but some without condoms. But they don't get told to release they're sexual history before a hook up, however as an escort I do. Hmmm no I dont think so. I have been more stringent with testing and I use protection 100% of the time, so it really infuriates me that people assume because I am in the business, I'm therefore more at risk than those who just sleep around for fun.

[Ashley Ann 75247]

The bb practice is a choice, not referring to full service, just the other stuff. For me personally , my choice is NO bb as I see it as high risk.

 

I used to get at least 2-3 requests daily for bbbj or cim, and because I would not do that, the clients would take a pass. To me, this was frustrating because I thought, ummmmm...have people forgotten what is out there???

 

I still have not changed my ways, and I won't change it for nobody. Now that I have been back for a while, most men are familiar with my ways, and lately, I have actually had more men than usual contact me, most being because they like that I do not provide bbbj and/or cim.

 

So all this to say, it may take a while, but there are just as many men who want to spend time with ladies who only practice safe services as there are who want to spend time with ladies that offer bbbj & cim.

 

It is what it is, all you can do is protect yourself accordingly, and ADVERTISE this too.

[cflpoolboss 160]

What would you do if a guy asked for a CBJ and told you he has an S.T.D....would you still do him?

[Megan'sTouch 23875]

What would you do if a guy asked for a CBJ and told you he has an S.T.D....would you still do him?

In my mind, if you don't know their health status they may as well have an STD.