Using Hotel Names in Ads

[Guest sh****s****r]

I just wanted to pass on some advice for all. If your posting an ad, it's not wise to include the hotel your staying at in the Ad. Some hotels will monitor the local escort sites and if they recognize you they may cancel your booking. They don't have to honour your full stay as it states in the small print they do have the option of asking you to leave early. It has happened so just some friendly advice :). Have a great day

 

[Kyra.Graves 23779]

While I understand the point you are making I don't think the image you selected is appropriate to illustrate that point. If a hotel in Canada required that I be escorted around the premises or had a mandate on what I wear I would actually be very happy as here in Canada I am awarded very basic human rights which allow me those freedoms and I would take that hotel to court for denying me my freedoms and what I do for a living has nothing to do with it. Clearly the image you chose is not from a country where women are awarded such freedom and unfortunately cannot chose to move about freely or wear what they wish, it has nothing to do with being an escort or what is in a hotel contract.

[ottawaadventurer 5114]

I have a suspicion that the OP was trying to make that point.... He chose a sign that clearly represents a society that does not respect women and used it to comment on the fact that Canadian hotels are also in the dark ages with respect to their rules and policies pertaining to SPs.

[Megan'sTouch 23875]

While I am inclined to agree with you, each lady is capable of weighing the risks and making the decision than is best for herself. If I were using a hotel regularly, I would keep the location confidential. If I were travelling and staying in a hotel one night only, I might be inclined to post the name.

[Guest W***ledi*Time]

Apart from other factors, the ladies may wish to keep in mind that clients are also concerned with discretion. Rightly or wrongly, if a lady broadcasts where she is staying, this unusual practice may well be interpreted by some potential clients as a possible indicator of wider indiscretion. Which in turn may incline some potential clients to choose to stay away.

[Boomer 33202]

As WIT says the client's discretion is also a consideration. As the SP's identity becomes known to the hotel staff, so too is the clients identity potentially at risk.

[roamingguy 300291]

Besides discretion, there is no need for a lady to publicly announce what hotel she is staying at that I can see. Location of her hotel incall can be discussed between the lady and her client(s) privately through emails/texts/pm. Really, all anyone needs to know publicly is the lady's touring dates and cities, everything else private between the lady and gentleman

As I see it

RG

[EmilyRushton 253346]

I would never publicly disclose the location of the hotel that I am staying at when travelling, privacy and discretion should always be of the utmost importance and publicly posting where I am staying would be the complete opposite of that. I would never jeopardize my safety let alone that of anyone that I visit with.

[Guest sh****s****r]

I used that pic because it was representative of how hotels have regulations. I don't agree with the oppression of woman and for them to be told what to wear is inappropriate and not a hotel I would be staying at. Thank you for your comment.

 

Yes, valid points on client confidentially and SP's safety which is paramount.

 

The other issue to take into consideration when posting the name of the hotel you might not be visited by the local police but you could be visited by local by-law enforcement officers. Certain cities have specific rules about having business licenses, where you can conduct your business and how. A couple of cities in Alberta started to see an influx of out of town escorts coming to town so they started enforcing business by-law regulations.

 

I personally think using a generalization of where your located like 2 cross streets is enough information for a client to figure out if it's close enough or not. Some hotels like a majority of society in general would prefer not to have it known that there hotel is being used by SP's to conduct there business. I don't agree with this mindset because I feel if your abiding by the general rules of the hotel you should be free to do whatever you want behind closed doors.

[Guest W***ledi*Time]

... I feel if your abiding by the general rules of the hotel you should be free to do whatever you want behind closed doors.

 

Of course the Criminal Code of Canada says otherwise!

[Guest sh****s****r]

Agree as it relates to a bawdy house but the law is different as it relates to an independent escort.

 

From Sexwork Cyber Resource Centre:

(1) The act of prostitution is legal

 

(3) Advertising in public print is protected as a right of free speech which has been upheld by the Canadian Supreme Court. Advertising on television has not yet been tested but the issue is whether its in line with community standards.

 

(4) An independent outcall escort has the right to discuss specific acts of sex for money in private. Hotel rooms, telephones and private homes. The Canadian Supreme court has ruled that a land based telephone is a private communication. When one places a phone call, they have a reasonable expectation of privacy, and that is the test. The same is easily extended to cellular phone communication. One would have to have special equipment to intercept such communication.

 

When you consider the "public communication" aspect of the law it is really crafted to discourage street solicitation. The more aggressive uses of the law have seen it applied to hotel bars, your vehicle operating on a public street and other such places. Communication btw also includes acts in furtherance as evidence of intent...i.e. you pick a street walker up in your car is an act of furtherance.

 

Example:

In Toronto one street prostitute was arrested for soliciting. The arresting officer had her on tape which was played for the judge. The tape showed the undercover officer asking her what she charged for a straight lay. She replied, If you would like to come to my motel room, I will tell you all the details, but if not, I won't tell you anything because it is illegal to solicit in a public place." The judge looked at the officer and said, "well it sounds to me as though she read the law to you?". The case was immediately tossed out. Source: http://www.ermail.org discussion thread 2722.

 

Cities/communities are using city by-laws to target independent workers(ie. SP's, MA's, RMT's, independent consultants, etc). This also includes what a residential or commercial space can be used for.

[Guest W***ledi*Time]

... An independent outcall escort has the right ....

 

If it's the provider's hotel room, it's an incall. In which case the bawdy house law applies:

 

... "common bawdy-house" means a place that is

(a) kept or occupied, or

(b) resorted to by

one or more

persons

for the purpose of prostitution or the practice of acts of indecency ...

[Guest sh****s****r]

Ahhhh thank you for the clarification WinT :)

[mrrnice2 157005]

As a person who normally has to travel a great distance in order to meet someone, I do not see where there would be any need for me to know from an ad which hotel it is that the SP is staying at. For me, what city is plenty enough information for planning and organization purposes.

 

If the ad goes on to say a downtown upscale location, then the ad has already increased my interest.

[whatsup 11893]

I like to see an ad that has a generalized location of which part of the city, whether it be east, west, north or south. It can give me an idea of my travel time and whether I have the actual time to travel to the area. That way I don't waste my time or the providers time in trying to set up an encounter only to find out it is beyond my time limitations for travel.

[roamingguy 300291]

I used that pic because it was representative of how hotels have regulations. I don't agree with the oppression of woman and for them to be told what to wear is inappropriate and not a hotel I would be staying at. Thank you for your comment.

 

Yes, valid points on client confidentially and SP's safety which is paramount.

 

The other issue to take into consideration when posting the name of the hotel you might not be visited by the local police but you could be visited by local by-law enforcement officers. Certain cities have specific rules about having business licenses, where you can conduct your business and how. A couple of cities in Alberta started to see an influx of out of town escorts coming to town so they started enforcing business by-law regulations.

 

I personally think using a generalization of where your located like 2 cross streets is enough information for a client to figure out if it's close enough or not. Some hotels like a majority of society in general would prefer not to have it known that there hotel is being used by SP's to conduct there business. I don't agree with this mindset because I feel if your abiding by the general rules of the hotel you should be free to do whatever you want behind closed doors.

 

Keep in mind the hotel is a private business, free to establish rules for the use of it's premises, they are not the state/government. And hotels as private businesses have to cover themeselves legally too. If they say they allow incalls or outcalls, then they in turn could be seen by law enforcement and the courts as living off the avails and keeping a bawdy house, as they knowingly are allowing their hotel to be used for prostitution

On a quick general note, private businesses often tell people what to wear. Case in point, how many restaurants have a no shirt/no shoes no service policy. Private businesses, whether hotels, restaurants etc are free to enact policies to potential customers. If the customer doesn't like it, he/she is free to go elsewhere

My two cents, from a laymans point of view

RG

[jg24 3707]

Well I would think another reason for not puting in hotel would be if a lady had a bad client in the past she would be allowing this or any bad client to be able to watch her comings and goings

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[fortunateone 156618]

Well I would think another reason for not puting in hotel would be if a lady had a bad client in the past she would be allowing this or any bad client to be able to watch her comings and goings

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That was exactly what I was going to add (given the other aspects were discussed). I can't think of anything more dangerous than to advertise where you can be found especially not by clients but by the sort of guy who likes to expose sps, and/or get info on them without committing themselves. In a case like that, everything is provided and the client doesn't even have to make a phone call. He can take the blurred face photos in ads, along with the physical description provided, dates, times and the exact location.

 

And if she should have once turned down an appt with him, he will take all that and report her to the front desk. A lot of sps have been evicted from hotel rooms mid-stay when they are suspected or been found out to be working an incall from the hotel room.

[Andee 220524]

A lot of sps have been evicted from hotel rooms mid-stay when they are suspected or been found out to be working an incall from the hotel room.

 

I know of an SP who was being a wee bit too "high maintenance" at the hotel she was staying at, and the front desk googled her phone number and came across her ads and asked her to leave. I guess checking in with your working cell phone number is not advised either.

 

Also, some hotels will program your "name" into the phone, so if you make an outgoing call, you name appears on the display with the hotel phone number. I pointed this out to a friend who was staying at a particular hotel when she called me from. She was not impressed at all because she didn't realize this.

 

I can't remember the last time I saw an ad on CERB where a lady advertised the name of her hotel, but I do sometimes see them on the free sites and it does make me wonder "why would you be so stupid to do that".

 

If I was a would-be client, I'd stay far, far away.

 

Just my two cents.

[Gabriella Laurence 301887]

I can't remember the last time I saw an ad on CERB where a lady advertised the name of her hotel, but I do sometimes see them on the free sites and it does make me wonder "why would you be so stupid to do that".

 

If I was a would-be client, I'd stay far, far away.

 

Just my two cents.

 

Here's an example from a discussion thread in Ottawa:

 

09-18-2011, 10:44 PM

Question: Chimo Hotel

http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=65510

[jg24 3707]

Deleted message as to not out anyone

[VictoriaJolie 64127]

It does happen quite often especially when a lady is quite new and ask which hotels to stay on public board..Many guys do not realise and name hotels ...

I think that if you come accross one person that ask the question or state hotel name to kindly remind her via pm that she should erase any hotels names and to ask people to pm her instead of posting it.

On an other board i had to pm the mod and ask him to delete a tread where many hotels were mentionned as safe as i was staying in one of them...Remember that you are on a public board and bylaw can read everything too

It is for the safety of all

VJ

[Chanel Reign 28097]

This thread actually scares me.

 

Folks that are adding their hotel become a "heat score". So does the Client, Hotel, everybody in it and the SP's safety is most assuredly compromised.

 

I give a vague area of where I am located, and it gets less vague the closer you get to my location.

 

I have 2 hotels that are my faves if I want to change area, which is rare, but it does put me in a different part of the city. "Playcation" hotels are up to the Gent's discretion and my approval.

 

Regardless of the law, I don't think this is a good idea on many levels.

[Guest sh****s****r]

Some other little tips based on some of the comments. When posting your phone numbers in ads or for your website, use the letter O for zero's and the capital I ir small l as ones.

 

The other item would be saying new pics posted today and you use the hotel room as your backdrop. As most hotels are chains, your able to determine what hotel a person is staying at based on the decor of the room. I know of an SP that was outed this way and was asked to vacate her room.

Thanks for all your feedback

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[iluvmuffins 1764]

If I were to go to a hotel that posted a sign like what SHAKESPEER provided at the beginning of this thread, I'd feel very uncomfortable. As a client, I prefer to visit an SP in a nice downtown hotel or her residence. I also didn't realize that hotel's monitored the sites as much as has been stated here. I want to be comfortable as I enter a hotel, and not think they're watching for clients walking in.