The Power of a Great Website

[EvaAdore 7767]

Hey all! Been a long time since I've been around these parts, but I thought I might welcome myself back by starting a discussion. lol.

 

For hobbyists:

- Do you like it better when an SP has a website/web presence of some sort?

- How does a website impact your decision about whether or not to see the SP, if at all?

- Do you enjoy perusing a site dedicated to just one girl and her likes/dislikes, pictures, etc, or does it make a difference?

 

For SPs:

- Do you feel it's important to have your own website, or do you just use CERB?

- What are your reasons for/against having one?

 

Okay I think that about wraps it up, super interested to hear your input!

[NotchJohnson 214065]

Websites are great if you are looking for more details on a lady, for example pictures, rates, location etc.

If many ladies are on the same website(independent or not) it may give us guys the choice between more then one lady to see.

Keep in mind many guys are visual and we enjoy looking at your picture more then what you may think, sexy pictures sell nough said.

[Brad 49548]

I think having a website or at least web presence is very helpful, and definitely a point in favour.

 

They often give you a much better sense of the Lady, her personality and perhaps some of her likes and dislikes. I realize I'm not going to be the best friend of any Lady I contact, but I also prefer feeling like I'm not contacting a complete stranger who I know nothing about.

 

I'd say it's also helpful because such websites tend to answer a lot of the common questions someone might have, which saves everyone's time.

[Areez 11906]

As hobbyists:

 

A presence on the web is nice, I usually would like to know a little about the lady before I see them, although this is not always the case. It does not necessarily impact my decision as I've seen the independent and used agency too. I definitely enjoyed perusing a lady website, just to find more information about the lady herself, pictures are always an eye candy!

The way I see it; investing in a well built website with information could be handy, it promotes yourself and serve the purpose of answering the more commonly asked questions so you do not have to keep repeating yourself answering them. (might reduce it but not completely eliminate it...)

[Phaedrus 209521]

Hey all! Been a long time since I've been around these parts, but I thought I might welcome myself back by starting a discussion. lol.

 

Great to see you again!

 

For hobbyists:

- Do you like it better when an SP has a website/web presence of some sort?

 

Yes, definitely. It just makes her look more professional; the fact that she's bothered to put a website together makes it look like she's got her act together, and you're less likely to run into cancellations or last-minute changes or whatever else. That may not always be an entirely fair impression (I know damn well there are some fantastic and completely professional SPs out there who don't have websites), but it's the one I get.

 

I should also say: this applies more to indies than to agency/spa folks. If you're working for an agency or spa, then you've presumably already outsourced a lot of your marketing to them anyway...

 

- How does a website impact your decision about whether or not to see the SP, if at all?

 

Somewhat. It's not a deal-breaker by any means, but... somewhat.

 

- Do you enjoy perusing a site dedicated to just one girl and her likes/dislikes, pictures, etc, or does it make a difference?

 

If I'm thinking about seeing her, then yes; the more I know about her, the better a decision I can make on whether we're actually going to get on well if/when we meet.

[Sweet Emily J 172061]

This thread about "exemplary websites" in the industry is a great look into what clients are looking for in websites, and gives lots of examples of popular websites. It spans over the last three years, with lots of links to browse. :D I would say that while each SP/MA's situation is different, having a solid and professional website can definitely make a huge difference.

[EvaAdore 7767]

Thank you all so much for the input! Its great to be back and nice seeing you all. I was genuinely curious to see what you all had to say, I am glad I asked :)

[piano8950 32577]

For hobbyists:

- Do you like it better when an SP has a website/web presence of some sort?

- How does a website impact your decision about whether or not to see the SP, if at all?

- Do you enjoy perusing a site dedicated to just one girl and her likes/dislikes, pictures, etc, or does it make a difference?

 

1) Yes, tremendously

2) How much relevant information is on the website. Everyone I've seen I can say has a great website, easy to navigate, and really helpful information. I will not see an SP if she does not have one, sorry!

3) Yeah, but it also makes a world of difference with how it's presented. A neat, clean presentation makes it a pleasure to read, something cluttered and glitchy usually makes me want to move on.

 

- I like websites because there is an element of her in it. How she talks, how professional does she seem to be, and so much more.

[PurpleHaze 140]

I would NEVER see someone who does not have a website. It makes it look as if they don't take what they do seriously. It also helps reduce the amount of fakes or bait and switches.

 

Given the fact that you can buy a domain name for around $5, get free hosting, and use a premade template there is absolutely no excuse for an SP not to have a website. From my point of view all I would see is unprofessionalism and laziness.

[Johnny Canuck 5347]

As a hobbyist I think that a website for a SP is a great resource because it can provide a lot of useful information about the SP and the services she may or may not offer. In my opinion, I find that a SP who has a website that is pretty decent and professionally maintained by either herself or a webmaster adds a little more peace of mind to the hobbyist. It may answer questions that the hobbyist is too shy or timid to ask and as a bonus may even contain some naughty pictures or videos of the SP just to add icing on the cake!

[Eric Northman 16522]

I would NEVER see someone who does not have a website. It makes it look as if they don't take what they do seriously. It also helps reduce the amount of fakes or bait and switches.

 

Given the fact that you can buy a domain name for around $5, get free hosting, and use a premade template there is absolutely no excuse for an SP not to have a website. From my point of view all I would see is unprofessionalism and laziness.

 

My goodness. You're awfully sure of yourself aren't you? I remember being that age once, seeing everything in black and white. There couldn't be any reason why a legitimate provider wouldn't have a website? Perhaps they find their page on CERB to be sufficient for their needs? Perhaps they only do this part time or seasonally? Perhaps they're very tech unsavvy and don't know how to make a website or do web design? Or just don't want to?

 

Making snap judgements about groups of people based on limited information is not wise and only demonstrates small mindedness.

 

--edit--

Oh yeah, one other reason. Some people prefer to be VERY private and low profile. For the same reason some prefer to not show their faces in pictures. You know there are actually escorts who have families and significant others? And some of these people don't know what the escort does for a living? Shocking I know but it's true I promise you.

[Wolf Knight 29667]

My goodness. You're awfully sure of yourself aren't you? I remember being that age once, seeing everything in black and white. There couldn't be any reason why a legitimate provider wouldn't have a website? Perhaps they find their page on CERB to be sufficient for their needs? Perhaps they only do this part time or seasonally? Perhaps they're very tech unsavvy and don't know how to make a website or do web design? Or just don't want to?

 

Making snap judgements about groups of people based on limited information is not wise and only demonstrates small mindedness.

 

Glad you said this Eric. I personally know some super professional amazing SP's who don't have an official website that Mr. PurpleHaze could only dream of experiencing. For those specific SP's it's a pure function of being happily busy enough with repeat clients and client referrals with no need to go looking for clients. Also due to their life situation at the moment they prefer to maintain as low a profile as possible. So don't be too hasty in condemning those with out websites.

 

That said, for a new SP in the business (or a travelling SP in particular)that is trying to generate lots of business with the hopes of developing that strong base of regular clientele the more exposure the better. So she should endeavour to be anywhere that a potential client might look, local ad's, national boards and a website that brings all those loose ends home to one concise place.

 

So in the end it really depends on the individual situation for the SP.

[Eric Northman 16522]

Agreed. From what I understand, a website is a fantastic tool for an SP and is truly great for business. But that doesn't mean it's the ONLY way to do business and it doesn't mean it's right for everyone.

 

Generalizations are always bad. ;-)

[EvaAdore 7767]

Hey guys, I'm glad you brought that up! There is definitely a ton of ways to build and promote your business online and having your pictures plastered all over the place won't necessarily work for everyone. I know I've had my pictures stolen in the past and used on other websites that I didn't approve of, which caused me some unnecessary grief (a friend of mine saw them and showed them to my entire circle of friends, which basically "outted me" to everyone I'm close to). It always sucks when things like that happen, but you just need to be more careful and savvy. Plus it's a risk you have to take if you want to be open and out in the world. Nothing on the internet ever dies, so you have to be sure of what you're putting out there.

 

On the other hand, though, because the technology now has made it so easy to create a nice looking website and there are many cheap options available for people to get up and running I would have thought that more SPs would take advantage of the tools available to them. That's why I was asking for opinions from hobbyists and SPs alike. Cool subject and food for thought!

[PistolPete 61421]

 

For hobbyists:

- Do you like it better when an SP has a website/web presence of some sort?

- How does a website impact your decision about whether or not to see the SP, if at all?

- Do you enjoy perusing a site dedicated to just one girl and her likes/dislikes, pictures, etc, or does it make a difference?

 

a) Yes I like it better when an SP has website/web presence as it gives myself more detail about herself may it be on this board, or on her personal website.

 

On personal websites the ladies may give some of her personal preferences while entertaining or in fact if she has a blog it gives myself a great understanding of her personality and her view points on certain subjects. Blogs can be about anything other than sex it can be about politics,weather,feelings,family issues, I know quite a few give great advise and great input on some of those subjects.

 

I feel more of a connection with ladies that may give good information about themselves on their web site, however using the tools on this site (Cerb) is also fantastic like instant messages to each other and you can have candid conversations,that said you can do the same through emails too through a lady's web site too.

 

b) I enjoy pursuing a site dedicated to just one girl. I did some traveling down state side this past March and I was able to see a couple of ladies down there by pursuing their web site's and also through twitter. Another site I used was P411 which played a key role in me getting to know these fine ladies.

 

The web site is a very important tool for both ladies and gents involved in this business and I think it pays dividends for both parties from the business aspect.

[PurpleHaze 140]

My goodness. You're awfully sure of yourself aren't you? I remember being that age once, seeing everything in black and white. There couldn't be any reason why a legitimate provider wouldn't have a website? Perhaps they find their page on CERB to be sufficient for their needs? Perhaps they only do this part time or seasonally? Perhaps they're very tech unsavvy and don't know how to make a website or do web design? Or just don't want to?

 

Making snap judgements about groups of people based on limited information is not wise and only demonstrates small mindedness.

 

--edit--

Oh yeah, one other reason. Some people prefer to be VERY private and low profile. For the same reason some prefer to not show their faces in pictures. You know there are actually escorts who have families and significant others? And some of these people don't know what the escort does for a living? Shocking I know but it's true I promise you.

 

Yes I am sure of myself otherwise I wouldn't have posted it. I do have Asperger's hence the black and white thinking and the reason I need to use escort services, however; I still feel everything I said is justified and all your counter arguments invalid.

 

CA1) Perhaps they find their page on CERB to be sufficient for their needs?

As I said before unprofessionalism. I mean even drug dealers have websites on the deepweb these days but that is the not my point. My point is that it cannot do any harm and only benefit them by having a site. For example instead of using a random Hotmail or Gmail address to send emails they can use their own domain name which makes it look so much more professional. Even if the only place they advertise is on CERB they can have a link to their website on their profile and posts which will help confirm their legitimacy and appeal to a larger audience. You can turn off search engine indexing if you don't want people to be able to search for "escort+[yourcity]" and then it is just like an extension of their CERB profile.

 

CA2) Perhaps they only do this part time or seasonally?

I do not understand this counter argument. They can easily post this information on their website.

 

CA3) Perhaps they're very tech unsavvy and don't know how to make a website or do web design?

I would say over 95% of the people who own a website don't even know basic HTML or CSS. It is well understood that the general public lack computer skills and there are services that allow the creation of websites in a very simple way. Drag and drop interfaces, premade templates, etc. The majority of onshore webhosts are designed for people who know nothing, they will create your domain, give you a control panel, content management system, everything you need. http://www.hostgator.com/ is the first to come to my mind but I am not sure what our shitty countries laws are regarding prostitution advertisement online. Get an offshore host and you won't have to worry about prostitution laws, copyright claims, pornography, or any of the crap that you would have to deal with if your server is in Canada or United States.

 

CA4) Or just don't want to?

Confirms my argument about laziness.

 

CA5) Some people prefer to be VERY private and low profile.

Sadly many people do live their lives in fear. They do not need to post any information that they wouldn't already give on CERB. Domains can be registered by a third party or you can even give fake WHOIS information. Simply turn off search engine indexing as well.

[piano8950 32577]

Yes I am sure of myself otherwise I wouldn't have posted it. I do have Asperger's hence the black and white thinking and the reason I need to use escort services, however; I still feel everything I said is justified and all your counter arguments invalid.

 

Look, I approach the website issue the same way as you, but try not to be so harsh in your opinions. If and when you do see an escort, especially one on this forum, you might be carrying a lot of baggage that she's going to be extremely concerned about.

[Eric Northman 16522]

Yes I am sure of myself otherwise I wouldn't have posted it. I do have Asperger's hence the black and white thinking and the reason I need to use escort services, however; I still feel everything I said is justified and all your counter arguments invalid.

 

And yet you advertise yourself in your other posts as a "forever-alone virgin."

 

There is wisdom in realizing that you don't know everything. Especially when you're entering a world of which you have no first hand knowledge. The world is nuanced and everything is shades of grey.

 

You would do very well to ponder carefully how you present yourself here. CERB is a very friendly place but it can also be very unforgiving and harsh to those who are disrespectful of the community and its values. By making a blanket judgement and calling all SPs who don't have websites unprofessional, you've just offended a significant percentage of ladies whom you might be incredibly lucky to encounter.

 

Is that really a reputation you want to cultivate? Spend some time. Read the forums. Educate yourself in the style and tone of this community. Perhaps a more humble viewpoint will allow you to use a more diplomatic tone. I'm not saying your opinion is wrong, only that your tone and presentation are harsh.

 

Which is nicer to say?

 

"All SPs without websites are unprofessional and not worth seeing"

 

or

 

"I prefer to see SPs with websites because I feel that I can learn more about them and feel more confident that their services are as advertised."

[cat 262460]

I'll step in here and provide my experience as an SP that is website shy. I built my business on EC with occasional ads here. For a long time I didn't even have pictures! I do have a website but I don't publish the url, it is available only to those that contact me directly. I seldom advertise but when I do, I want to open up a dialogue with my guests. I want to answer the questions no matter how inconsequential they feel the questions may be because this conversation we develop gives me valuable clues to who they are and if I want to see them. I don't want men to look at my website, decide they want an appointment and arrive for me to find out we aren't a good fit. I have learned the hard way that money earned when it isn't fun isn't money worth having.

 

Not publishing my website for the world to see is simply another layer of verification for me. If it makes me appear unprofessional then so be it. Those who I have chosen to entertain will attest to the fact that I am unsurpassed when it comes to hospitality and entertaining. I take my career seriously, having been involved for over 25 years and I don't think having a website determines ones level of commitment or professionalism. Over the years I have more providers than I care to count who had outstanding websites and were subpar providers...

 

cat

[PurpleHaze 140]

And yet you advertise yourself in your other posts as a "forever-alone virgin."

How is that relevant? Using that to try and make my arguments invalid is known as an ad hominem and clearly shows your lack of intelligence.

 

There is wisdom in realizing that you don't know everything. Especially when you're entering a world of which you have no first hand knowledge. The world is nuanced and everything is shades of grey.

I never said I know everything. Although I would love to achieve omniscience; it would actually be impossible to do so. You are putting words into my mouth and I can only assume to try and feed your ego. There is a great book I have read which can help you learn to transcend your ego issues. Even if you don't think you have a problem (the ego does this) the book can benefit you regardless. I have uploaded the .PDF specifically for you, skip to chapter two if reading is not your thing. http://www.mediafire.com/view/7b39uicxn83umnn/A_New_Earth_fullbook.pdf

 

 

By making a blanket judgement and calling all SPs who don't have websites unprofessional, you've just offended a significant percentage of ladies whom you might be incredibly lucky to encounter.

 

Which is nicer to say?

 

"All SPs without websites are unprofessional and not worth seeing"

 

or

 

"I prefer to see SPs with websites because I feel that I can learn more about them and feel more confident that their services are as advertised."

First of all, the two options you gave are a false dichotomy. But to the point, either you have trouble comprehending what I said and so paraphrased it wrong or as before you are trying to put words into my mouth so that you have a much simpler topic to argue against (noticing how you didn't even bother to quote any of the five explanations of the falsity to your counter arguments).

 

My exact words were "from my point of view all I would see is unprofessionalism and laziness." Never did I say a definitive statement that every SP without an website is unprofessional or lazy and no where did I say anything about them not being worthy of others seeing.

 

Again, I am not trying to be an asshole. My opinion was asked and so I stated it. My needs here and escort preference may be different than your needs. You quoted and openly challenged me so I have responded to help you understand.

 

[Sweet Emily J 172061]

 

Again, I am not trying to be an asshole.

 

That's funny, because you are actually coming across as a huge arrogant one. So, good luck with that. :)

[PurpleHaze 140]

That's funny, because you are actually coming across as a huge arrogant one. So, good luck with that. :)

 

Generally in life from potential female prospects I have been told that I am a "nice guy", or the "sweetest guy". My abilities as a virginal beta male friendzone guy are so grand that I have actually ended up living in a house with four attractive girls of which I can only assume must think I am gay.

 

So thanks, I truly do appreciate this irony.

[roamingguy 300291]

I would NEVER see someone who does not have a website. It makes it look as if they don't take what they do seriously. It also helps reduce the amount of fakes or bait and switches.

 

Given the fact that you can buy a domain name for around $5, get free hosting, and use a premade template there is absolutely no excuse for an SP not to have a website. From my point of view all I would see is unprofessionalism and laziness.

 

One of the most highly recommended ladies here on CERB at one time did not have a website (she does now) She used her CERB profile and posts only and is a lady you would have a great encounter with. I saw her when she had just her CERB profile to go by. She is also a lady who takes her profession seriously and professionally.

And I had an encounter with a lady who has a website, but it was one of the worst unprofessional encounters I ever had.

Websites are just tools. Being on a board like CERB may be all the lady needs for her business. How a lady runs her business is her business.

For someone so new to this lifestyle you certainly come across as very judgemental about how ladies, who have been involved in this lifestyle just a bit longer than you run their business.

And just as you can see the ladies' profiles here on CERB to decide who to see, remember, the ladies can also read your posts and decide if they want to see you. Your first impression is being made here on CERB

A rambling

RG

[Eric Northman 16522]

How is that relevant? Using that to try and make my arguments invalid is known as an ad hominem and clearly shows your lack of intelligence.

 

You don't know what ad hominem means. I wasn't attacking you but merely stating that you're not qualified to have informed opinions on this subject based on your own description of yourself. It's like my grandmother trying to discuss nuclear physics.

 

I never said I know everything. Although I would love to achieve omniscience; it would actually be impossible to do so. You are putting words into my mouth and I can only assume to try and feed your ego. There is a great book I have read which can help you learn to transcend your ego issues. Even if you don't think you have a problem (the ego does this) the book can benefit you regardless. I have uploaded the .PDF specifically for you, skip to chapter two if reading is not your thing. http://www.mediafire.com/view/7b39uicxn83umnn/A_New_Earth_fullbook.pdf

 

 

See...now THAT's an ad hominem attack. Well done. You're putting on a clinic here.

 

First of all, the two options you gave are a false dichotomy. But to the point, either you have trouble comprehending what I said and so paraphrased it wrong or as before you are trying to put words into my mouth so that you have a much simpler topic to argue against (noticing how you didn't even bother to quote any of the five explanations of the falsity to your counter arguments).

 

False dichotomy implies that two choices are given as the ONLY choices. I merely presented an example. It's cute that you're trying to use these various rhetorical tools without actually understanding them.

 

To paraphrase George Bernard Shaw:

"Arguing on the internet is like wresting with a pig. After a while you realize you're getting dirty and the pig enjoys it."

[EvaAdore 7767]

Wow I definitely didn't mean for this to turn into a shit-slinging contest... Thanks for completely hijacking this thread and turning it into something it was never meant to be, PurpleHaze. This is now a game of pigeon chess, and honey, you're the pigeon.

 

"Debating you is like playing chess with a pigeon - it knocks over the pieces, defecates on the board, and then struts around like it's victorious."