What's your age limit?

[Frank7 3939]

I A pubescent child cannot give consent - no matter what she or he says, she/he is unable to give consent before the age of 16 years.

 

That's only true if you're in Canada. In some states, 16-17 can't even do it. In France or Sweden, 15 can.

While it might be the legal definition of consent, it isn't the true definition.

 

 

 

As for everything saying there's something very wrong with a man having sex with an underaged girl (or a women with an underaged boy) or that's it's ethically wrong. You have to remember that a lot of people say the same for sex workers and their clients. Or that the sex can't be consensual if money is involved.

 

 

 

Cat, brilliant post! Very well explained, better then i could. And i aggre with you that there should be more on the man's mind then getting in the girl's pants. But the same should apply to same-sex relation. It's ethicaly wrong IMO for a man to lie, manipulate or use a girl just to have sex.

[LonelyPerv 3756]

Since I lost my virginity at 12 years old to a 25 year old replacement teacher, I don't see any side effects that this may have caused. Okay, so I'm a sex addict that's still attracted to girls in their 20's. No biggy. hehe

 

I have met many young ladies that wanted to explore their sexuality with an older man and most had different reasons. Some wanted to concentrate on schooling or their new career and didn't want to get into any kind of commitment relationship. Some just wanted to experience a real man with experience instead of the three minute wham bam thank you mam youngsters. Some were even married and loved their partners dearly but when it came to sexual satisfaction, they didn't have a clue. They know an older gentleman will make sure they are taken care of before he thinks about himself.

 

It takes a special kind of person to look beyond the age difference and for me, age is just a number. As long as I operate within the legal system, I welcome any age into my fold. I have a lifetime of experiences to share and if a young lady wishes to share them, I'm only too happy to accommodate.

 

Our legal system has determined what age is appropriate and in my case, my cherry picker would be jailed for what she did in our time now. However, I've never regretted the encounter nor would I ever want to go back and change it if I could. I think it made me a better person and perhaps even wiser than some my age because I got a head start.

 

I'm proud of the young ladies that are taking their sexuality in their own hands and don't bow to peer pressure. They have a right to be happy and experience all that life has to offer. You go girls. :-)

[roamingguy 300291]

Do you think seeing a teenager in this business is ethically wrong, even though it may be legal?

 

Btw, does CERB verify their advertising SP's are 18+ years of age? Just curious about that. I know it wouldn't matter in the end.

 

 

This is the OP's original question, we are talking about seeing teenagers in this business which may be legal but is it ethical.

 

Additional Comments:

That's only true if you're in Canada. In some states, 16-17 can't even do it. In France or Sweden, 15 can.

While it might be the legal definition of consent, it isn't the true definition.

 

 

 

As for everything saying there's something very wrong with a man having sex with an underaged girl (or a women with an underaged boy) or that's it's ethically wrong. You have to remember that a lot of people say the same for sex workers and their clients. Or that the sex can't be consensual if money is involved.

 

 

 

Cat, brilliant post! Very well explained, better then i could. And i aggre with you that there should be more on the man's mind then getting in the girl's pants. But the same should apply to same-sex relation. It's ethicaly wrong IMO for a man to lie, manipulate or use a girl just to have sex.

 

Now this is what you are arguing, basically it's ok to have sex with an underage child, be it man with underage girl, or woman with underage boy. Mind you, you never said anything about a man with underage boy or woman with underage girl. Since this thread is about seeing teenage companions, even if legal is it ethical, are you arguing about seeing underage escorts. Honestly beyond your obvious disdain for a minimum legal age, I don't know. And for fact, the minimum legal age in Canada isn't an abstraction, it's real, set out in the Criminal Code of Canada. you don't like it, go to France or Sweden. But French law or Swedish law applies to France or Sweden, not to Canada

Just how low in age do you want to go?

http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=511551#post511551

Why this thread, apparently in Yemini it is legal for a "man" to marry a 8 year old...do you think the age should be lowered to 8 now if your argument for lower legal ages is other countries do it.

Law of the land in Canada is 18 years old. Don't like it, go find another country to live in catering to your predilections.

 

And one more thing, maybe you should read the CERB Rules & FAQ. Couple copied and pasted here for you

Streetwalkers - Car Dates - FS MASSAGE SPA'S - ETC .... (ALL ILLEGAL IN CANADA)We DO NOT discuss ILLEGAL activities here. This includes.

 

- Streetwalkers (Public prostitution is illegal)

- Car Dates (Something streetwalkers do - public prostitution is illegal in Canada)

- FS Commercial unit (Massage Spa - Brothel - etc... are all considered common bawdy houses and illegal)

- Underage Prostitution

- Drugs

- Etc...

 

 

Please use common sense people!

 

You must be 18 years of age older to participate, advertise or be advertised or discussed on cerb

 

 

You must be of legal age (That is 18+ years of age in Canada) to use (AND JOIN) this website. We may ask you to prove your legal age if at anytime your legal age is in question. If you are under the legal age of 18 you are not welcome to post on this site and you should not be involved in this business.. If you are asked for proof of age and you refuse a bulletin will be posted on the site and your name will be added to the DNR LIST (Do not recommend or discus list) and you will not be allowed to post here, all posts about you will be removed and we will tell the members why you have been placed on this list.

 

Just finding this advocating of seeing someone underage, especially on a thread talking about seeing teenage legal aged companions disturbing to say the least. Eighteen years old is the real and true age in Canada, not some abstraction. Find out how well your arguments go in Court if caught and charged by the police having sex with someone underage.

RG

[Alexbarmtl 230]

To me, the SP must be over 20. Under that is not my thing! I do however tend to prefer the 25+ bracket :)

[LonelyPerv 3756]

If it is claimed as legal by the peers we vote in to create and modify our laws, who are we to question whether it's ethical or not. If we think they made a bad choice, we vote them out and start again.

 

Many tests and surveys are conducted every year on just about every aspect of human nature and the results are used to determine new laws or update old ones.

 

It is a known fact that teenagers of this decade are way smarter than I was at their age, or any of you. They know at a younger age, just what they want out of life. That's just natural human evolution. Who knows, maybe in a few years, they'll drop the age even lower.

 

For those naysayers, give it a rest. If your child is one of the few that didn't quite make the front of the line when common sense was handed out, then by all means, keep a close eye on them. Otherwise, let the young adults live their lives in peace.

[oldblueeyez 15475]

It is a known fact that teenagers of this decade are way smarter than I was at their age, or any of you. They know at a younger age, just what they want out of life.

 

A new cellphone every 6 months and LuLuLemon, from what I've seen. Is that 'way smarter'?

[Guest realnicehat]

:) Post deleted.

 

I'll just let people speak for themselves.....

[cat 262460]

JUST TO CLARIFY...

 

I in no way condone men seeing under aged sex workers. It is illegal, that's obvious. My words were simply my experience as a young woman who preferred older men and still does. I'm not encouraging any hobbyist to seek out underaged girls...

 

cat

[Guest Ot**w***og****n]

30 plus...end of story.

[LonelyPerv 3756]

A new cellphone every 6 months and LuLuLemon, from what I've seen. Is that 'way smarter'?

 

LOL Well if you get fished into that every 6 months then yes, you just proved my point. :-)

[HalifaxMan58 2206]

A young lady 18 or 19 would be too young for me no matter how mature. I look at 18 & 19 year old's as girls, not grown women. It may have to do with my values, what I was taught growing up, because I'm a dad, the fact that I am in my very late 50's!

 

I frequent a restaurant that has University aged girls working there and to me they look like they are around 15, 16 or 17 in that age group. One of them I know is in her 3rd year of university and is 20 years old, but to me she doesn't look anymore than 16. She did tell me she gets carded all the time when she is out. The other young lady opens & serves alcoholic beverages so she has to be 18 I believe, to open the beverage here in Halifax Nova Scotia.

 

I have nothing against Men who choose to see these 18-19 year old women so long as they are of legal age here in Canada. It just isn't something that I would choose to do. They look too much like little girls to me!

 

My 5 cents worth on the topic

[Frank7 3939]

This is the OP's original question, we are talking about seeing teenagers in this business which may be legal but is it ethical.

That is the OP. However, i was responding to the various answer that indicated general statements about underaged people, not just sex worker.

 

Now this is what you are arguing, basically it's ok to have sex with an underage child, be it man with underage girl, or woman with underage boy. Mind you, you never said anything about a man with underage boy or woman with underage girl.

I though about it when writting it. But it would have been far too long to lists all the possibilities. I just wanted to point out it's not always the older man with a teenage girl. I have no problems with man-boy, woman-girl, Tgirl-boy, Tgirl-girl, herm-boy, herm-girl, etc.

 

 

Since this thread is about seeing teenage companions, even if legal is it ethical, are you arguing about seeing underage escorts. Honestly beyond your obvious disdain for a minimum legal age, I don't know. And for fact, the minimum legal age in Canada isn't an abstraction, it's real, set out in the Criminal Code of Canada. you don't like it, go to France or Sweden. But French law or Swedish law applies to France or Sweden, not to Canada

I was making points for different things. While i think underaged sex can be okay, and sex work is okay, it's not something i'd mix. I don't think people Under 18+ should be allowed to do sex work. (wich is the case in pretty much all country with lower age of consent) That's taking too many more steps. And it wouldn't be much different then the child labour laws. A 10 years old can help his technology-disabled father to write an email or he can answer the phone. But by law, he couldn't be hired to do those things.

 

The law is real, but ethic and moral is always abstract. In the past, it was illegal for women and ethnic people to vote. So you believe that because it was the law, it was unethical for women or ethnic people to vote? I think not from all the posts i've read of you.

 

 

Just how low in age do you want to go?

http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=511551#post511551

Why this thread, apparently in Yemini it is legal for a "man" to marry a 8 year old...do you think the age should be lowered to 8 now if your argument for lower legal ages is other countries do it.

That case is clearly not consensual. Without reading it (too disgusting) it's fairly obvious that it was an arranged marriaged, forced by both famillies on the girl. If the girl was a women in her mid-twenties, would it become suddendly ethic to force her in a marriage, and rape her until she bleeds and die? No. You're mixing sex and rape in your arguments and there is a huge difference.

In fact, even the laws in Canada are ridiculously soft for sex offender. A few years for abusing multiple children? It should be far worst then that.

 

And one more thing, maybe you should read the CERB Rules & FAQ. Couple copied and pasted here for you

Streetwalkers - Car Dates - FS MASSAGE SPA'S - ETC .... (ALL ILLEGAL IN CANADA)We DO NOT discuss ILLEGAL activities here. This includes.

 

- Streetwalkers (Public prostitution is illegal)

- Car Dates (Something streetwalkers do - public prostitution is illegal in Canada)

- FS Commercial unit (Massage Spa - Brothel - etc... are all considered common bawdy houses and illegal)

- Underage Prostitution

- Drugs

- Etc...

I pretty sure the rule is about not advertising, asking how to do, etc.

There's plenty of posts in the legal section that discuss illegal activities. There's also a lot of arguments about legalising prostitution or bawdy house.

 

Discussing that the speed limit of 100 on highway is stupid is legal. It's when you actually go over 100, or encourage people to do it that it is illegal.

 

 

 

 

All my arguments are about consensual sex. Not rape, not abuse, not manipulating. If you set aside the law, there's really not difference between a 15 years old that isn't attracted to you and a 30 years old that isn't. In both case, a no is a no and the person shouldn't pursue.

[olderguy 5797]

My age limit??? I look for mature as I'm an older guy and I find mature women attractive. Having said that, there are some very mature 26 year old ladies and some very immature 45 year old ladies..... I'm looking for mental maturity. BUT.... I'm old school. When I was growing up 21 years of age was the age one became an adult. Never would I consider anyone (regardless of their apparent mental maturity) younger than 21.

My comfort zone is really a lady with some life experience - usually, she has seen her 40ith year.

[Claire Heavens 51771]

Fuck Your Morals. ;) Just Kidding..... Ish.

I do chemistry not Math.

I have had some great conversations and connections with people through texting or Private messages and get this preconceived idea of who they are in my mind- I pick an age, and hair colour and all sorts of crap- then I actually meet them- and im shocked- that theyre either waaay younger or waaaaay older. At first I feel jipped lol. and a sudden loss of attraction to the mystery man I had conversed with. But then....I realize they are still who they were through the screen- Their sexy shone through then- so why let our brains or eyes rob ourselves from experiencing all the sexy people can surprisingly offer us?

 

Morals/Ethics aren't set in stone. What you feel is 'right' one day may be trivial or non existent the next. Dont let your own brain hinder you from enjoying life..... Whether you're 18 or 81 ;) Giddy Up.

 

*Remember To Live*

[scribbles 6031]

Age and attraction are two different concepts. Attraction is an emotional and psychological process. Determining whether it is right or wrong based on age is a cognitive process built by culture, media, social learning, etc.

 

I've never been with a woman older than myself, but have felt that several of them were older in the way they acted. Often, but not usually, you can't place the personality with the age.

 

Scrb.

 

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[cometman 35115]

Younger women are fantastic.....tight bodies, perky boobs, no wrinkles.

Having said that, I'm an older woman type of guy. I'm 55 and comfortable in my skin. So are older women. I have a crazy unpredictable schedule that makes it extremely hard to line up a visit with my favorite Sp at 4 pm on Saturday 100 miles away. My type of girl knows I'm doing my best and understands that life gets in the way at times and if I'm late, she still loves me. No drama, no bs......we're friends, if only briefly. I'm not inconsiderate of their lives or their schedules, but even trying my best doesn't always work. If they can work things out, they do, and if they cannot, it's my fault....they still get paid. Older ladies get back to you with facts, Jack. They don't have time for giggling and incessant chatter....neither do I. The reasons above are why I love and am comfortable with older (30+ ladies). It's all part of the GFE..we relate.

Younger women are fantastic, but I am no longer a younger man.

Andy Rooney said it better than I ever could...........

 

"In Praise of Older Women

 

Andy Rooney says, "As I grow in age, I value older women most of all. Here are just a few reasons why:

 

An older woman will never wake you in the middle of the night to ask, "What are you thinking?" She doesn't care what you think.

 

An older woman knows herself well enough to be assured in who she is, what she is, what she wants and from whom. Few women past the age of 50 give a damn what you might think about her.

 

An older single woman usually has had her fill of "meaningful relationships" and "commitment." The last thing she needs in her life is another dopey, clingy, whiny, dependent lover!

 

Older women are dignified. They seldom have a screaming match with you at the opera or in the middle of an expensive restaurant. Of course, if you deserve it, they won't hesitate to shoot you if they think they can get away with it.

 

Most older women cook well. They care about cleanliness and are generous with praise, often undeserved.

 

An older woman has the self-assurance to introduce you to her women friends. A younger woman with a man will often ignore even her best friend because she doesn't trust the guy with other women. Older women couldn't care less.

 

Women get psychic as they age. You never have to confess your sins to an older woman. They always know.

 

An older woman looks good wearing bright red lipstick. This is not true of younger women or drag queens.

 

Once you get past a wrinkle or two, an older woman is far sexier than her younger counterpart. Her libido's stronger, her fear of pregnancy gone. Her experience of lovemaking is honed and reciprocal and she's lived long enough to know how to please a man in ways her daughter could never dream of. (Young men, you have something to look forward to.)

 

Older women are forthright and honest. They'll tell you right off you are a jerk if you are acting like one.

 

Yes, we praise older women for a multitude of reasons. Unfortunately, it's not reciprocal. For every stunning, smart, well-coifed babe of 70 there is a bald, paunchy relic in yellow pants making a fool of himself with some 22 year old waitress.

 

Ladies, I apologize for all of us. That men are genetically inferior is no secret. Count your blessings that we die off at a far younger age, leaving you the best part of your lives to appreciate the exquisite woman you've become, without the distraction of some demanding old man clinging and whining his way into your serenity."

 

signed: Andy Rooney"

[BrettonWoods 4365]

I have generally stuck with women over 30 feeling that there is a higher likelihood of them being mature and responsible. Also I am comforted that they have been around long enough to have fully considered being involved in this business, are comfortable in their own skin and are participating with a fully informed consent. And, like Halifax Man 58, younger girls are not really very often stimulating to me. I also wonder how a client determines if a lady is 16, 18, 19 or 21. How do you ensure that you are not involved with an underage girl if she says she is 18? Do those who see younger ladies ask for ID? Do you take her word? Does CERB do any check before allowing her on this board or just when questions are raised? I am pretty open minded about trying different experiences but I have never seen anyone younger than late 20s due to concerns about this. I would be interested in how people think the risk of engaging an underage girl should be approached.

[Malika Fantasy 144625]

Eh.

Now I understand why I am missing on seeing so many wonderful gents on Cerb.

I'm still too young for them.

[RoddyThomas 2746]

Excellent question. Men are programmed to look. If an 18 year old Kate Upton walks by I am going to look. Sorry.... Actually, I'm not apologetic, at all. I am 48, and my limit is 38 for dating. In the SP realm, ladies, youth sells. Perhaps men like to recapture their youth, or just desire a youthful body. My preference is definitely over 20 as teen anything does seem a little creepy. It is my belief that girls are far more mature than they were when I was a teen. 18 year olds are legal adults, and know what they are doing. Again, I would probably not choose a teenage SP as it weirds me out a little. Not to kiss up to CERB, but I trust the girls on here are legit, and there is low risk that they are being exploited as they are on other pages and sites. No matter what the age of the SP, respect and proper etiquette is a must.

[Aspen Wilde 31370]

I started in this business when I was eighteen, and I have always been painfully aware of the perceptions some people hold of young SPs. I cannot address the circumstances of other young SPs in this business, but I can talk about mine.

 

Necessity was a factor that led me to this work, but I have never felt trapped in this situation. I know the risks of my occupation, and I still choose to do it over other jobs because this job allows me to be creative and independent, teaches me business skills and allows me to connect with people I wouldn't have otherwise met. Is it really necessary for me to have access to other high-paying, 'empowered' positions to make this choice valid?

 

I am not a child. I am a young adult with an enterprising spirit who hates doing shift work for minimum wage and would simply prefer not to have to answer to any boss. At last, I have found work that does not leave me feeling exploited. Please don't belittle my agency, maturity or intelligence with sweeping ageist statements. My age does not make me a victim by default. I have tried to de-emphasize my age in advertisements because I am concerned about the assumptions clients will make about me as a young person. But that isn't really something I want to have to conceal, and I would prefer if people would make the effort to see me as a whole person, and not an age-based stereotype.

[crankF 12893]

Personally, I must add that in my own heart of hearts, and down to my soul.. I do not think a girl of 18 is ready for the industry and everything that comes with running ones' own business and starting a career. But that is just my opinion and I may have a slight case of ahem here...but maturity does play a slight role. You can be as mature as a good bottle of scotch at 18 or as mature as a 100 year old leather bag, but you still have to have a business head on your shoulders and life experience to back yourself up.

 

I am sorry but there is just WAY more to being an SP than laying down and having sex! You have to be ORIGINAL and keep it that way, come up with fresh and personally owned advertisements and websites, handle schedules, record keeping, book keeping, banking, taxes so on and so forth, and being fresh out of or still in highschool where your schedules and papers are handed to you is just well...there is no business experience or sense of seriousness there. Only an opinion..and hopefully no one takes this as a angry post either! I love my career, and will defend it and all the hard work that goes into it until the day I am too old to do it!

 

SO after all that.. I will answer the OP's question..

 

I think if you are just looking to quickly "take a load off", who cares how old she is as long as she is of legal age.. I would still ask for I.D. though, BUT if you're looking for a memorable worth your buck experience...

 

For me I am always surprised when the young bucks book me! I am not entirely sure why I am surprised but never the less I remain flattered. However, I am 31 and as a general rule do not entertain gentlemen under 30. We have lived at this age, and are more understanding of nature and life and are way more intune with our sexual beings. And may I add it only gets better with age.

The maturity of middle-age is great, I have it and like it in ladies whether they are 23 or 43. My problem is that I look like that 100 year old leather bag of which you spoke.:)

 

Additional Comments:

A young lady 18 or 19 would be too young for me no matter how mature. I look at 18 & 19 year old's as girls, not grown women. It may have to do with my values, what I was taught growing up, because I'm a dad, the fact that I am in my very late 50's!

 

I frequent a restaurant that has University aged girls working there and to me they look like they are around 15, 16 or 17 in that age group. One of them I know is in her 3rd year of university and is 20 years old, but to me she doesn't look anymore than 16. She did tell me she gets carded all the time when she is out. The other young lady opens & serves alcoholic beverages so she has to be 18 I believe, to open the beverage here in Halifax Nova Scotia.

 

I have nothing against Men who choose to see these 18-19 year old women so long as they are of legal age here in Canada. It just isn't something that I would choose to do. They look too much like little girls to me!

 

My 5 cents worth on the topic

I agree with much of what H man said. There are 20 year olds out there who can pass for much older, but if I see a teenager I can almost invariably tell as they just look like my little nieces no matter what they wear or how much ink they are sporting.

 

Yes you know you're old when 40 somethings are hot babes, 30 somethings are young chicks, 20's are kids, and 19 year olds look like they were just potty trained:)

[Guest fi****ek]

This article, In praise of older women, has been attributed to Andy Rooney. Andy Rooney did not write the article. Its attributed to Frank Kaiser, a columnist who was known for his Suddenly Senior website.

[fortunateone 156618]

I don't think there is anything wrong with an older man having consensual sex with a pubescent girl. I think many young teenage girls want sex and know exactly what they're doing when they pursue it. I think if a teenage girl wants to have sex, it doesn't make any difference to me whether she has sex with a boy her age, or an old man.

However, I still believe in a minimum legal age to work as a sex trade worker. This is mostly for the reasons Penelope mentioned in her post. I realize that in believing this, I am guilty of some of much of the same hypocrisy as those who oppose a legal sex trade altogether. As George Carlin put it, why should it be illegal to sell what you can legally give away?

As for my personal tastes, I am a man in his mid 30s, but I look a lot younger. I am a Michael J. Fox type guy who will probably look 15 his entire life. I tend to go for SP's in their late 20s. Yet I in my relationships, I have never in my life had a girlfriend younger than myself.

I am full of contradictions.

 

 

 

Just for the record, pubescent refers to children who are not yet teenagers, so maybe a very poor word choice here :)

 

In fact it is very much against the law for any older man to even have consensual sex with a teenager who is at the age of consent of 16, if he is more than 5 years older. And a 16 year old would not be pubescent anyway.

[loopie 15358]

Just for the record, pubescent refers to children who are not yet teenagers, so maybe a very poor word choice here :)

 

There's a legal and biological definition of puberty.

 

definition of puberty according to Merriam-Webster

1 the condition of being or the period of becoming first capable of reproducing sexually marked by maturing of the genital organs, development of secondary sex characteristics, and in the human and in higher primates by the first occurrence of menstruation in the female

2 the age at which puberty occurs often construed legally as 14 in boys and 12 in girls.

 

 

In fact it is very much against the law for any older man to even have consensual sex with a teenager who is at the age of consent of 16, if he is more than 5 years older. And a 16 year old would not be pubescent anyway.

 

I am aware of what the law is. I wasn't debating what the law is. I was saying that it doesn't really make much sense to me. To my mind, once you cross the line of puberty, you are a sexual being capable of sexual desire and sexual functions and your sexuality should be yours to explore.

 

Our society is one of graduated privledges. We allow people the right to do things (drink alcohol, smoke, gamble, vote etc) at certain ages based on approximations of maturity level. But as we all know, everybody doesn't mature at the same rate. We pick these ages for privledges and hope for the best. Some people are more mature and more responsible younger, and some people will never be responsible adults as long as they live. Applying the graduated privledge mentality to sex doesn't make sense to me.

[MightyPen 67414]

EDIT: Ah, never mind.