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I think it is very rare to find someone who does not have ANY sort of work experience. Even with a minimum wage as a teenager, you learn the importance of work etiquette and organization - you have to be at work on time for your shifts, you have to remember to bring your uniform/swipe card/etc, and you learn proper customer care [including remembering specific requests]. I've been a manager [with high school kids as employees], so I know that some times shit happens and things get forgotten, but I also know that the customer has the right to speak up when service is not up to par. It's disrespectful to say that because a "majority" of SPs do not hold a degree [high school, university, etc.] they cannot be held to a level of organization - these are skills we learn in grade school, even! On a side note, mod: You say that some people look down on you because you don't have the strongest grammar skills. I'll admit it - I wince when I see some of your posts, and some posts from some of the ladies out there. NOT because I am "looking down on them," but because it's painful to see someone in a professional aspect [we are, after all, self-employed and running our own businesses] projecting such an unprofessional image of themselves or their business. It's one thing to misspell a word here or there, it's quite another to completely butcher the English language when advertising services.

The reality is law enforcement has a job to do, and in this industry I support their choice to try and protect the underage girls who are in these situations. From experience, I know teenagers are incredibly stubborn and naive. I am sure these girls think they are in a partnership of sorts, but they don't realize it is a pact that will leave them damaged and broken. Coercion and violence are a part of life when a girl has a pimp and they are usually estranged from their loved or less than loved ones. The police need to do what they can to protect these young girls. Quite often it takes a prison cell to keep these girls away from their pimps. The loyalty is so disturbing. The police are not looking for consenting adults who do not make a nuisance of themselves to the community, they are going after the one group that permeates this business and makes it dirty. I for one support this effort and I think we do not need to become paranoid and blow this out of perspective. Cat

I wasn't my thread is regarding a fairly open discussion being closed asap. I'd like a chance to explain that my post may have been mis-read. http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=92890#post92890 "Your twisting what I said and just throwing in "drug addicts who are "forced" into the industry" into your comment (this is called adding weight to your argument - this is exactly what the media does.. what you are doing to me right now)." NEVER did I or would I EVER say that about your opinions, I was simply commenting on how happy I was about the rights group that encouraged positive and less forced opinions of the general public about sex-work when I said "I'm in agrement with Auralie that having sat in on a couple sex-workers' rights meetings and hear everyone give a cheer to the positive side of the industry...women working by choice, not by the media's portrayal of high-school drop outs and drug addicts who are "forced" into the industry" never have I claimed you stood behind the media's drug addicted portrayal of the industry! Only that certain stereotypes should not be regarded as a "norm" for all the ladies here, those stereotypes that we are all flung into this business because we all have very little life experience or dropped out of high school generally will hit a sour note with any SP as we've seen already from a few replies, I'm not sure why my opinion is being the first to be discredited. bringing me to the next part: and comments like "those are the handfull of girls on here.....not the proper ones" Are you kidding me? Someone needs to take your high horse away the arrogance is too much. The new ladies just need to learn how the business works. They should be just as welcome as you are. where did I ever say they weren't? or that me and other ladies were "above it all"? believe me I'm extremely humble in my profession and those who have seen me know so. I am only here to keep on learning and to help those that I might have a tidbit about my experiences to give.....but that doesnt make me above anyone...SP OR client! If you as mod are willing to give out an opinion be also prepared to receive another's (something that is encouraged as we are all learning from one another... a discussion board. I never said your opinion was wrong, just that your statement was "bold")....and sometimes realize that people are also looking out for YOU too. I regret not making my initial contact a PM, I did not mean to try to embarrass you or call you out on anything or make you feel attacked. If i did so then I really am sorry. Cerb is awesome, if anything me saying that this site hosts many wonderful educated ladies and that places such as CL could learn from it is a COMPLIMENT! why discredit your own site and the ladies in it? should I "get real" and be prepared that clients may potentially lower their expectations? "The new ladies just need to learn how the business works. They should be just as welcome as you are. I am sure you did not start in this business knowing everything... like everything it has a learning curve and yes, cerb is a place to HELP them learn and HELP them not make mistakes like this. If you are too "proper" to help the new ladies that is your choice but it's not a supportive choice and that comment makes you look bad." I'm in COMPLETE agreement that new ladies need to learn how this industry works. As I was not a pro at first and reeived many great pointers in the beginning.... but telling the client that bad industry is to be expected due to where some of us come from doesn't help that learning curve. If anything it may even stunt it or make excusable. Lowering a client's expectations due to pointing out that "a lot of ladies turn to this business not because they LOVE the BUSINESS but because they have very little choice!" does not help sometimes, just like the collegue that shows up late everyday is generally not given any more slack because hes younger than the rest of the employees. I'm trying to help here, not put anyone down (be it SPs clients or Mod), and I am truly sorry that this has been taken the wrong way, mod. Hopefully we can all work together and see everyone's side of things and realize that we are all trying to look out for each other, AND this site, AND you. If this thread gets me booted (as you've asked me to express my opinion maturely [which I felt I did before and am making absolute sure I do so now] or leave the site altogether) then so be it, but I have no wish to leave anytime soon so hopefully this apology to you through the members on the board here and in PMs has been enough Annessa

manerlessness is now going in the new dictionary in my head, its a word NOW!....j/k. (thats just what i say when I realize I've completely invented a non-existing word and tried to pass it off....it it gets the point across, no ones gonna hound your vocabulary...at least not me I'm in agrement with Auralie that having sat in on a couple sex-workers' rights meetings and hear everyone give a cheer to the positive side of the industry...women working by choice, not by the media's portrayal of high-school drop outs and drug addicts who are "forced" into the industry....that claiming, mod, that for the mostpart the women on this site fall into that category strays very far from "protecting the ladies", something this site has always been a haven for. by putting out there that we are girls who "dont know better" or dont have many lights on upstairs due to our supposed lack of education or being able to hold a 'real" job, you also discredit the many wonderful female presences on this board who have university degrees, are doing things right, perhaps have a learning curve to adjust to sometimes, but those of us who are here, regardless of our education or upbringing, should not be exposed to the idea to clients that this notion is the norm and that we might not know any better. This is not a statement that is looking out for our safety. If you state that most of the girls save for a handful of us are just not too bright because of a certain portrayal (similar to the media's) then you are opening the floodgates for men to expect that an SP that they find on this wonderful board is going to most likely make more mistakes. what does this mean long-term? well as said, "what goes around comes around" right? (only that was meant towards the girls getting no-shows so you can only expect them to treat others as they have been treated. right? wrong. didn't a wise jewish guy in a really thick book...i dunno, his name started with a J...say "do unto others as you would have done unto you?) if these clients are told that their SP is probably the duller of the bunch, what kind of effort are we then encouraging on their end? Not trying to start a fight with mod here but that was a very bold statement to make about an industry we are supposedly all trying to protect in this great community. yes, there are a handful of newbie-girls, or girls who discover the hard way that this is not for them but I stand by the opinion that those are the handfull of girls on here.....not the proper ones. This is Cerb, not CL Lets look out for the ladies' safety....oh and as a sidenote I do think the OP should PM the name of the girl politely, however hopefully she has learned something from his thread if she sees it

This might sound a little silly but could some of you explain to me why a "second round of pleasure" would not be shared during a rendez-vous (when time permits) or why it would actually cost more when the gentleman is already giving his companion a donation for the time he is spending with her... It doesn't make any sense to me! Thanks! :) xox

Ok....I am trying out some new ideas for my signature and avitars....... what do you think so far......?

I often advertise w/ CL, Kijiji ect. as well as CERB and I really dont believe the police have any interest in "busting" anyone who is not directly contributing to the drug/pimping trade whatsoever. Most clients I have gained from using these medias have been regular contributing members of normal society that occasionally hobby and simply have never seen that there is a CERB yet which is why I still find CL useful. And as long as you(|sp's) are not under aged or being "put out" by someone else-we have nothing to hide so have nothing to fear! Dont worry-be happy!;-)

I think there have been 2 overreactions to this, one by each party. I have not gone back to review everything that was said, but I saw no problem in the initial post by the mod that drew the criticism. There were some points made about the reality of many women that enter in to this world, and in no way did that appear to be a blanket statement or even meant to be derogatory to the ones being referred to - it was simple truth. Perhaps there was a quote I missed somewhere, but the mod has typically been a very credible and knowledgable advocate for sex workers in general... Posted via Mobile Device

This is definately a service oriented industry and like other businesses in service those that provide excellent service will have success, those that don't learn how to provide excellent service will eventually dry up and blow away....it might take some time but it will happen. The opportunity to provide a unique service, gives a perfect opportunity to build a healthly successful business built on courtesy, respect and common sense, which in dollars and cents costs absolutely nothing.

Hobbiests pay a lot of money for the services of SPs and these gentlemen have a right to expect courtesy during their sessions. If we were dining in a restaurant we would expect that our server not answer their cell phone while serving us. We would also expect the server to bring us the food and beverages we request, not just show up with any food and beverage. In the instance of a restaurant, the customer is usually only paying an average of fifty dollars for food and drinks ... not hundreds of dollars as hobbiests typically pay. The original poster has handled this situation with class and hopefully the lady he is speaking about reads this and changes her behaviour.

Yes Amelia I would agree that a "GOOD SP" would re-read the emails and be more organized but some would not care about this as long as the lady was pretty and excited them. We all have different standards and we all have things that bother us and things we can overlook. We all do not all put the same "VALUE" on such things as adequate or organization skills. It's like the people who come onto cerb and try to correct bad grammar in posts (Grammar Police). Most of the ladies here are not highly educated (a good portion are but we have a lot of high school drop outs as well) but that is the nature of this business. I personally have horrible grammar and I don't care as I do not value grammar like others do... but those who do value grammar look down at people like me. If they expect everyone to value grammar the same as they do they are just setting themselves up for a life of disappointment! You may NATURALLY have the ability to be this organized but a lot of people DO NOT have this skill naturally and it takes time to learn (if at all possible as some people are not able to learn such things). You may have grown up with parents who took the time to tech you respect and manners (Both are learned behaviors)... not everyone was lucky enough to have this guidance... some will need to learn this late in life (and that is not always easy). I feel that every generation becomes a little less polite then the previous. Maybe it is because we have such things as high divorce rates and dual income families, etc... parents are too busy to properly teach their kids, some parents don't have these skills to begin with, some parents are too young to have these kids, etc.... so kids are not being taught these values at home like they were in the 50's and prior when the woman would stay home with the kids. Cell phones are no longer luxury items, these younger people have grown up with them as part of the culture now (They are taken for granted) and etiquette that we "Older" folk expect from cell phone users is sometimes not even a consideration. (and it should be - I agree). You obviously are organized, polite and have a good business sense... you may come by this naturally but I assure you... many people don't. This lady may have the potential to be a great SP (and is doing enough things right that she is getting some praise by guys who may not have expectations like stevecurious has but she may never learn without enough people pointing out what she is doing wrong. You are either "book smart" or "experience smart" (Formal training or time)... the exception to the rule is that you naturally have good business sense (and this is surely a exception to the rule). If you really think every SP (even the new ladies just getting into the business) should naturally be well organized with proper etiquette and manners you will be disappointed. Let me state the obvious... -You do not need college education to be a SP (Or high school for that matter) -You do not receive training for this job -You do not need to have a resume to get a job in this business -You do not need to pass any test or exam to qualify being a SP Many ladies (Like Amelia for example) seam to get it! They realize that having your phone ring during the session is bad (and she may have known this on her first date or she may have learned this over time - I am not sure) - same with organization (She may naturally be organized, she may have some admin skills from a past job or formal training) but this NOT the case with everyone. Maybe I am the only one who will actually come out and say this... Many of the NEW ladies (New to the business) really have no clue about how to conduct themselves, how to run a business, market themselves, etc... they will either learn this over time and some never learn. Either way they will still succeed in this business (It's just that kind of business) but the ones who "Get it" and learn how to work the business properly will obviously do much better. Keep in mind that a lot of ladies (NOT ALL) turn to this business not because they LOVE the BUSINESS but because they have very little choice! The REALLY GREAT ladies LOVE THE BUSINESS!

I'm with Steve on this one. You should not have to ASK for good service. You should not have had to have had a previous date with someone in order for them to fulfill your requests in the next session. If the lady is on cerb there is no excuse for her to have not read about the ubiquitous cell phone complaints. No 'business training' is required for simple politeness and respect. I don't care if the ladies are busy. Being a good sp is about briefly re-reading the email of a client you are about to see and knowing, to the extent that you can, who he is and what he wants. That's just common sense.