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I have been the victim of sexual assault. That is NOT something I am going to talk about here, but if you are saying victims of sexual assault will feel belittled by Georgiana's post, I point it out to say that I am a victim of sexual assault, and I do not in any way feel belittled by what she had to say. I don't believe that was her intention at all, and I didn't infer any of that from what she had to say. I'm sorry if you feel that way, and I appreciate it if you feel you're trying to stand up for something, or someone, but I truly believe you're placing ill-intentions behind a post that was not made with any ill-intentions whatsoever. We all need to keep in mind that sometimes people use the wrong word, or a sentence can be typed a bit too fast, or whatever the reason may be that an online post isn't read the way it was typed. But I honestly agree with her - I do not think that anyone should feel 'contractually obligated' to perform. If, for every encounter, I had to sit there and think 'Did I kiss him deep enough, was the blowjob long enough' etc etc, and worrying about if I'd fulfilled my end of the contract.... well honestly, I wouldn't keep doing this because it wouldn't be fun. I tell my clients that I don't do anything I don't wanna do - and that's true. If something doesn't feel good, I won't do it. And if someone was to say 'Nope, you need to let me continue going down on you, even though your clit is sensitive from that orgasm, because you told me there would be no limit on how long I could DATY, it's in our contract'. Jeebus. Where is the fun in that? THat WOULD feel like coercion. That isn't a word anyone wants involved in an encounter , but I also don't think that the use of that word means Gia was playing any kind of 'trump card'.

I think this has been brought up before, although perhaps it was on another thread, but you cannot have any legal contract that forces a person to perform a sexual act, or that punishes him or her for failing to perform that act. There are other rights that take precedence over contract law. So in terms of talking about a legal contract that can be enforced, I don't believe there can be one. In terms of compensation made to the client if a discussed act was not performed, I think that is fair if the provider agrees that the decision not to offer the service was not the fault of the client. I think it is a matter of reputation and professionalism on the part of the provider that is in her best interest. I also think that most clients are good people who don't deserve to go in with understandable expectations and then feel that they were deliberately misled and swindled. But I also think that the SP in question is the one best able to determine whether or not delivery of services was reasonable under the circumstances. I don't think forcing her to prove, somehow, to some kind of enforcement agency that she couldn't reasonably be expected to perform the act is possible. Putting someone in the position where they have to prove the impossible (how can she prove he was rude, or not clean?), or face punishment of some kind (financial, in this case) would leave a sense that a provider must do what sexual acts she's told or else. Especially when most contracts are apparently verbal. How does she prove she didn't agree to what he says she did? I assume the onus would be on him, but hopefully you see what I am aiming at. Talking about enforcing contracts leaves a lot of room for abuse and intimidation. Even if the contract is written (in emails, for example), in terms of enforcing that, how does a client prove that he did, in fact, have impeccable hygiene, or that he did not act offensively toward the provider? He's not any better able to prove his side of things than she is. As other's have pointed out, even if it were a contract enforcible by law, which I believe it isn't, there is so much he said/she said that I don't see any way to make a fair decision. And in terms of the decision, if a woman promises uncovered oral over the phone, and then declines during the encounter, what would one sue for? A $20 refund? $10 000 for mental anguish, including loss of self esteem? Again, I don't think potential punishment should hang over the head of a woman you are asking to perform sexual services for you. I understand that legal contracts were brought up to point out that there should be some protection for the client when contracting services, or simply out of curiously for how it would play out given the changing laws. But I am very, very uncomfortable with talk of enFORCING that sexual services be delivered. I do wish there were a way, other than doing a lot of research (I understand that sometimes anyone might want to make an impulse purchase of services with a feeling of safety) that would give clients some kind of guarantee that their money will be well-spent and their encounter will unfold as they hope. But whenever I look at punishing someone for not delivering sexual services it just gets a bit of a rapey vibe for me. Weighing the loss of money vs coercion to perform sexual acts, I find the loss on money is less bad. And I hold to that even as a client, since I sometimes see female MAs myself. I completely understand that clients feel they are always left without sympathy or recourse, so I hope this post hasn't sounded confrontational or, I don't know, lecturing. I'm just trying to show that the idea of having an enforcible contract in practice is not really workable.

Wow.. this is quite the thread. I hope guys who like to talk about paying last, (and only if it's worth it,) and making legal contracts with escorts, (so that you can be sure she's going to suck your dick without a condom,) carry lots of lube with them... because I don't think this sort of stuff is ever going to make anyone wet... ever.

I am not resorting to emotional appeals nor inflammatory statements to win an argument. How very, very dismissive and condescending of you to say so. If you are not able to understand my points, that is fine. But do NOT assign me motivations. I explained things exactly as I see them, and obviously I am not the only one who sees things that way. I tried to keep the points at which we disagree civil, but you obviously have no interest in that. I have put myself out there where I would be better off staying silent to protect my business interests, because I thought it was worthwhile to have all points of view on the table. If your only response to my posts is to say that I am just wrong, and that I am making light of consent, then I will not bother trying to have a reasoned debate with you in future. There are more positive ways I can spend my time.

I don't believe I misinterpreted anything. There was a discussion about legal contracts and going before judges. So I did not draw my argument from nothing. I agree that no one has suggested that anyone be forced to perform sexual acts -- no one on here, anyway -- but if you set up financial consequences for failing to perform them then there is a sense of potential punishment hanging over the head of the provider. I don't see any way around that. Especially with things that are so difficult to quantify, such as the depth of a deep french kiss. Rephrasing things to say, basically, that she isn't losing money, he's just gaining money back, doesn't change the fact that the provider has lost income because a client feels he didn't receive what he thought was agreed upon. So I think my word choices have been correct. There can be a difference between what is intended and what is. To say that no one intends to coerce providers (I'm not trying to throw the word at anyone, but it's the one of the words under discussion) is not the same as saying that the provider doesn't reasonably think that she will be punished for not giving the client what he wants -- even when she finds it is not feasible once they meet (ymmv due to hygiene, etc). I don't believe the word contract, especially as is being discussed by some -- a legal contract -- should apply to a sexual encounter. I do not agree to specific acts in advance, so in my case it's moot, but I do think that even where services are discussed it should be understood and accepted that the services may vary. I used the term "rapey-vibe" because that is exactly how it feels to me. I can't change that that is how it feels to me. I don't like to ever hear of anyone being under contract to perform certain acts, or to make restitution if they don't. I actually don't think people should promise specific things in the first place, though. Because I do think one should deliver on one's promises and I think that where we might not be able to, we shouldn't promise. But the thing is, that's not that easy for a lot of providers, because many clients HATE it when you seem to be coy about what you offer. There do seem to be providers who would be willing to alter the fee structure a bit if something comes up, and, again, I think that is the right thing to do. I am uncomfortable with it being a sort of codified, by contract, thing, though, because I think there is too much room for potential abuse. I think it creates a more frightening and negative environment for providers, without offering much to clients as these things are hard to prove, anyway. My whole point is that it's unworkable. I think it would be nice to be able to call up any provider and get what is promised without worrying about being ripped off. I just can't see a workable solution. If it's a matter of "What is right?" Then a legitimately aggrieved client should get some form of recompense. I'm against trying to enforce what is technically right for the reasons I've stated. Too tough to prove, too much room for misuse. I can't take back the terms I've used because as some men have pointed out, there are two sides to everything. It may suck to hear that this is how it sounds to some of us when people talk about contracts, but if you want real opinions, then it's good to be aware that this IS how it sounds to some people. Some clients feel that things are too much in favour of SPs all the time. We may or may not agree, but saying the opinions sound yucky doesn't do any good. I'm not sure any of us will change anyone's mind on this matter, and I'm not out to offend anyone or make any feel that they are being treated to a condescending lecture. It's a bit draining for me to try to convey something controversial and likely to be unpopular with many on a forum where anything I say may effect my business. But since the involvement of the ladies side of things is one of the advantages of this board, I thought I would add my viewpoint. In any case, I am not looking for a fight over this, and I don't want to repeat my points ad nauseam, so if anyone has further issues with my posts, I may just agree to disagree.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I actually really enjoyed Django Unchained. But then I'm a huge fan of the Western genre. I think a mistake most people make when approaching a western is to think they'll be seeing an "action" movie. Most westerns are pretty slow paced in comparison with the action genre. I would argue that one of the best Westerns of all time, The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly has an even slower pace than Django. The first 15 mins of the movie is two guys sitting at a table staring at each other and barely saying a word. If you're looking for super hyper, fast paced action than Westerns are probably not for you. Posted via Mobile Device

I've had mine, and I recommend it. Gardasil is now approved for use in Canada for all sexually active women up to age 45. This specific vaccine protects against the four most common main strains of HPV - the 2 (strains 16 & 18 ) which cause 70% of all cervical cancers, and the 2 (strains 6 & 11) which cause 90% of all warts. Like Jessica, I've also had the Twinrix (Hep A & B) vaccines. Both give me an extra tiny bit of peace of mind. Can you post this "respectable source" and what exactly you think is exaggerated? It's not an opinion that HPV can cause cervical cancer, or genital warts, it is fact. It's also true that you can have HPV with no adverse health affects at all. It all depends on the strain(s) contracted... But why take the risk? The medical community pretty much agrees that the results have been a staggering achievement in the reduction of HPV cases in people who have been vaccinated, cutting infection rates by more than half! Also, with very little adverse reactions to the actual vaccine. And actually most health plans do cover it. Alternatively, it is considered a health expense claim for self employed individuals (SPs) when filing our taxes. I don't know how common it is among other sex-workers, as I can only take care of myself, and do what I can to protect my own health as I see fit.

I've been vaccinated, by choice, and at my own expense. The HPV Vaccine Guardasil does not protect one from every strain of HPV virus, but I figure it's better to get it than not get it... right? Every bit of protection helps. I am over 35, but as I'm single and sexually active my doctor didn't think twice about prescribing it, I'm considered 'high risk' due to those circumstances. I'm sure it's also available to males outside the target age range depending on your specific circumstances. It's available no charge for young men and women late teens I understand they are vaccinated as part of the series of standard vaccinations. It's three needles, taken at 0, 3 and 6 months. As they have to be refrigerated you need to have them dispensed separately, so each needle is about $175 including dispensing fees.... approx $525 and worth every penny. I also got the Twinrix vaccine .. cost a couple of hundred bucks.. that's the one for Hep A & B. Also available from your doctor with a simple request.

Everyone's a bit hesitant the first time - really though, it's just safety first. Please be sure to do your research on this board and the other prairie/pacific review board, choose a companion who's well-endorsed by others, then don't worry about phoning her and letting her know that you're new at this. If she's an experienced companion she'll go out of her way to help make you feel comfortable.

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My apologies. This was not meant to demean SP(s). I had a bad experience with an SP who decided to text me on my private phone in the evening. My phone was left in the Kitchen where my spouse saw the display. I made a few mistakes here and you're right, the SP was very aggressive. By the way, this happened in Montreal not Ottawa. When I get close the SP's location, I usually use the company cell phone. I'm the one that's the idiot that shared my personal cell phone number. Of course, I would delete all text messages, but sometimes, the mind isn't always there. I hope my honesty will be accepted with an open heart. Blade

It's very easy to read the discussions and become disillusioned thinking that every guy on here is as great at the ones who post. But they're not. In fact, the two biggest creeps I've met, came from right here on cerb. I think this is something people need to keep in mind every time a similar conversation comes up on here (about pre-paying, references, anything to do with a lady's procedures). The guys who participate in the forums are probably not the ones we need to worry about. The procedures aren't necessarily for them (Even my own. I posted on another thread that I would ask someone to leave if they didn't put the payment down up front. I've met some gentlemen from cerb that I'm so comfortable with based on their post history/attitude on here I didn't even think of it, and wasn't at all worried about being ripped off. But that's the exception, not the rule - and it was MY choice to bend my rule, not his). The procedures are there for the big, sometimes dark, sometimes scary, part of this business that you guys just don't see on here. But that doesn't mean it's not there.

Just wanted to know how a girl becomes a regular girl that you like to repeat with. Is it her looks. Her services. Amazing sex. chemistry or Connection. Genuinely enjoys your company. Make's you feel like a king? Funny, sense of humour. Feels like an old friend. Someone you can talk to about your personal secrets. PM's and emails after encounter. For me it is a combination of Chemistry, and someone who treats me like a king and genuinely likes me, and someone I would like to care about as a friend. Someone who has a good sense of humour and continues contact with me after we meet. Looks and services are not as important as the above. What are your criteria for a girl to become a girl that you would see regularly.

From the bottomless quagmire of bp... "FemaleEscorts/need-quality-company-at-anytime-247-service-strictly-outcalls-hourly-rates-10yrexp" She says she's 22 and has 10 years experience? I don't want to even think about that.

Happy Birthday Redseductress!!! I hope you have yourself one fantastic birthday!!! :D

Kathryn Bardot is an independent SP and does not work with GP, and never has. I don't believe she is travelling to the valley this weekend, either. :)

In those cases where the SP enters the engagement with intent to deceive/swindles a hobbyist? Yes, it would be nice to have some recourse. However I am not sure what sort of recourse you would expect to have, beyond walking away and posting some warning here in the B&S thread and on other review sites. Ask for a refund? You have likely just insulted the honest SP and made them feel uncomfortable. As for the swindler? How likely do you think it is that someone who set out to rip you off is going to say 'oh sure, no problem. Here you go'? Any sort of recourse system would absolutely have to treat all of the honest and hardworking SP's with respect. It is certainly not fair for them to suffer because of a few dishonest crooks. I can not think of anything off hand does that while still providing the type of recourse you seek. Would you want to work at a job where your clients or boss always treated you like you were going to rip them off? I know that I would find it hard to do my job with a smile and any sort of passion. I know that I would rather accept the risk of losing some cash than make an honest SP feel uncomfortable enough to question whether they should be in the business. If enough people did that all we would be left with are the scammers and SP's that no one would want to recommend. How much fun would the hobby be then?

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Oh my !!!!!! Sorry to hear about the injury and pain big guy :( but glad you had a good time !!! By the sounds of the good time you had.... lucky you didn't dislocate your pecker !!!! ;) Now what's her name and number ? I need my left knee fixed anyways !!!! hehe sometimes laughter and a joke can dull the pain for a moment ? I hope ?

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Belated happy birthday! I hope it was a great day for you, and wish you an amazing year to come! Best, toine

Happy birthday Redseductress!

Absolutely. Remember... beauty is in the eye of the beer-holder :)

That is well said and very humorous. Thanks for the chuckle.

Hey folks, I was simply sharing my opinion. I didn't think I would solicit such negative attacks. My spouse is going through my texts because she doesn't trust me. Why, because I got an unsolicited text message from an SP. My phone was in the kitchen when this happen. Does she go through my personal stuff. NO!!!! My phone was on display. I am not suggesting that all SP would do this, but this was my experience. If you feel offended by the SP that did this, then be angry with the SP in question, not me. Could have I prevented this from happening. YES!!! I was stupid to leave my phone number with this individual. My apologies for offending anyone who would know better. Blade

Heck, you can't go wrong with either one of them! I've seen both of them more than once (not as a duo) and they're both amazing in their own way. Besides being hot, they'e both classy ladies who know how to size up (no pun intended) their client and act accordingly. If I had to choose between the two, I really don't know. Whoever I choose, I know it's going to be great. And like I found out, there's always a next time for the other one... By the way, a session with Tya is also quite a pleasant experience. Can't say too much about the other two ladies, I've just spoken to them at the reception but they seem to be interesting.

Perhaps my past experience was based on naiveté and I became paranoid. As I gain more experience, I'm understanding that with the right SP, trust does go both ways. Thanks Meg for reminding me of this. Blade

All good answers. For me there some quality that is hard to define but yet it is ever so prominent. I suppose it is a combination of mutual respect, good old fashion courtesy, genuine interest in each other, along with humor, smiles and laughter. Perhaps it all adds up to "comfort" which at first blush may seem like a mundane word for this discussion because what we do is pretty exciting, and the activity we engage in involves complex human emotions. So its nice just to be comfortable with someone in this uninhibited, complex activity.

For me, it is easy to see CERB as a community mostly populated with caring, intelligent, adult men and women. And then a comment like Cleo's catches my eye and it's like walking into a cold shower. And I remember that even here there are bound to be a few card-carrying asshats. When I read things like that I am surprised, on some level or the other, that providers even open their doors to us. But I'm happy they do! :) Note: The previous comment was not specifically aimed at anyone participating in this discussion or any other.

I know sometimes it's hard to read tone in a post, so my post below is being written as an attempt to explain one point-of-view for not answering blocked numbers, it's not written in any confrontational way, and definitely not an 'I'm right, you're wrong' or anything like that. A few months back I posted a thread about one-word texts saying 'Hi'. I thought they were rude - and from the responses I received, I realized I was wrong. Things aren't always the way you think they are. I am truly sorry if some people think we're being rude by not answering blocked numbers - for me, it's part of keeping myself sane in this business, and it's not rude at all. Before I briefly retired from SP-ing and became and MA for a while, I used to answer blocked numbers. Because, as has been pointed out, sometimes men block their number because they are calling for some more info and don't yet want to give our their number. But I'll tell you what my experience was by answering those calls. For the info calls, after I answered the questions, the call would go one of three ways: the gent would accept the info, and decide to call back to book with an unblocked number. This was the least common result. The more common was to either try and convince me to give him my location info on the blocked number, and the second most common was for me to realize the man was jerking off on the other end of the line, no intention to actually book. Websites like cerb show us the wonderful side of this business; it helps you gentlemen to see how many other gentlemen there are that take part in this hobby. So it's easy to think it's simply gentlemen calling for info and hiding their privacy - but sadly, in reality, most of the time the people hiding behind those blocked numbers are not gentlemen: they are creeps. So, about half the time when I answered a blocked number, it went one of the three ways I mentioned above. The other half of the time... well honestly, the other half of the time I would receive demoralizing, and utterly deflating cruelty. I'd answer blocked numbers and have teenagers making prank phone calls. I'd have men breathing in my ears. I'd have people scream "WHORE!" when I answered. I'd have the sound of men jerking off. I'd have people calling with disgusting - and I mean DISGUSTING - requests. These calls would sometimes reduce me to tears. It was very hard to pick back up and put a smile on my face. The cruelty that can exist out there is staggering, and in my experience, these cruel assholes hide behind a blocked number. They're not going to expose themselves when they make these kind of calls. I've posted in the past about the main reason I left being an SP for a while, and went to an MA, but the phone calls are a big part of it as well. WHen I was an MA, there was someone else taking the calls. I didn't have to expose myself to those creeps. Yes, that also meant I didn't get to communicate with the true gentlemen out there. But my brain needed that break for a while. When I was able to come back, I set myself some limits in order to keep myself safe, and sane, in the business. And one of those things was to never, ever, answer a blocked number. And by doing that, I've almost eliminated those cruel, prank phone calls. So I do hope you can understand that it's not at all being rude by not answering those calls. But in this business, we need to set up barriers in order to stay safe, and for me at least, this is one of the things I do.

POS abbr. Piece Of Shit. (my car is a POS). I trust that he meant what you inferred Cat. :)

Happy Birthday Redseductress.... May you have a wonderful day....

Nothing to be perplexed about it just means that there is a lid for every pot. What you see as not being beautiful others will see as beautiful and what you see as beautiful others may not. Most women want more realistic images of beauty portrayed more so than just the "picture perfect". It's a movement to help those who see the same images of beauty advertised over and over, which don't depict the average women, to not feel bad or less than because they don't look like them:)

I can generally describe it as a sense that we're "on the same wavelength": during our conversations our minds are compatible; we don't agree on everything, and in fact her different perspective is valuable in itself; but we can talk about stuff comfortably and learn from each other. she's made an effort, prepared for the session, and she's fully present during our time together. she's sexually comfortable with herself and with me, generally uninhibited, excitable, engaged, and I believe she's aroused and enjoying herself during our time together. I feel I can share kinks and oddball interests, that she'll likely understand or recognize what I'm interested in and how that works, and if not already experienced she's game for trying. rather than just a sense of "aw heck she'd be a great friend!" (though that's cool too), she invokes an air of sensuality, the ability to seduce, and for undefinable reasons provokes my own sexual response. I leave our encounter with a smile on my face and a bit of a glow. It's really much less about appearance, and more about personal engagement, openness, and comfort as well as the potential for some kind of sustainable, in-synch excitement for future sessions.

Relax. You appear to have a case of first time jitters. The police have absolutely no interest in you or who you're having sex with. They have much more important work to do. Remember prostitution is legal in Canada. Furthermore, all that happened in the hotel lobby was that a woman texted you and said she was still getting ready. That's an innocent conversation that happens a few thousand times a day between couples across the country :-)... and then she invited you up to her room when she was ready. No problem. Not even close to the definition of public solicitation. While public solicitation is a prostitution related offence, private communication is not. When you originally set up the appointment by text, you were engaging in private communication. Texting or e-mailing someone, while discussing price, is private communication, regardless of where it takes place. You were not publicly discussing, offering, signalling, or negotiating compensation (financial or otherwise) in a public place (street, park, car, bar, hotel lobby etc). A simple way to think of public solicitation is that it is a "nuisance" law to ensure that prostitution activity occurs "out of sight... out of mind". (There are all sorts of safety issues that this raises and the recent Supreme Court hearing is considering these.) It prevents men from soliciting any and all women that walk past them on the street for example. It also prevents extra traffic in neighbourhood strolls. Seeing an escort at their incall location (e. g. hotel or residence) can be considered a prostitution related offence (being found in a common bawdy house). However, as with all indoor prostitution, if the sp and her clients are not doing anything else inappropriate to draw attention to themselves, the risk of any police action being taken is extremely low. The hotel would more than likely deal with it directly and confidentially themselves rather than calling the police. They don't want a bunch of police marching through their lobby, disturbing the atmosphere they have carefully created, unless something very serious is occurring. A couple having sex in a hotel room... As long as you're discrete, the hotel doesn't care, and the police care even less. Whether you're married to each other, common law, lovers, having an affair, a one night hook up, or a client and an sp getting together, it's all just sex between consenting adults.

If a client refused to put the envelope down at the beginning of an encounter, I would ask him to leave. Someone holding money over my head for me to perform for them is not a way to make an encounter enjoyable. It would make me feel like he is playing power games. I ask my clients to put the money down before we take our clothes off. You get that out of the way, because do you want your girl worrying the whole time that you aren't going to pay her? It's something I hated at the spas too. THere it was standard to pay after, and guess what, there were a few men who enjoyed my service only to tell me after, 'OOPS, forgot my wallet! Don't worry, I'll come back'. Who wants to guess if they did? Stop comparing us to mechanics. Yeesh. If you are paying a woman to get naked for you, for her to perform intimate sexual acts for you, you give her the respect to pay her first. Do not power-trip and refuse to pay until she performs. I can't even believe someone would think this is acceptable.

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I don't keep emails, and i do not allow people to book or confirm by email only, but on the one time rare occurrences that I do here is a scenario for a first time visitor. I will just hit the high points, as both of us i think said more than what the I am posting here; Monday: Hi, i will be coming thru your area, I have an appt downtown early afternoon on Friday, can you let me know rates/services and if you are free? Monday me (3 hours later): hi, email is not the best way to reach me, as you can see by the delay in my reply. Friday afternoon is fine, i do not prebook appointments, just call the day of closer to the time. I do not provide rates/services by email. Tuesday him: Ok, great, still on for Friday I will call you then. Tuesday me (later that day): great, thx for your interest. Wednesday him: (still emailing you notice): hi, plans changed, i will be coming on Thursday if that works for you. Wednesday me: yes thursday is fine, as I say, just call to confirm and i can provide rates/services :) Please note I do not book appointments without a phone conversation. Wednesday, him: Yes, ok i will call when on my way. Thursday him: I will be earlier than planned will phone you when closer. email was sent about 8am? I didn't read emails until after he actually phoned, as I say I DO NOT check emails often lol Appointment went thru as planned, his promise of booking an hour FS became a half hour massage (half the rate, 5 times the trouble just to get him to the door so far) instead. Fine, doesn't matter what someone wants to do in their session, it's all good. So by now he's been before, and he knows i don't book by email, and that i don't check emails frequently right? WRONG. Next time again 3 days ahead, an email, almost exactly the same scenario. Suggest a time, reset the time, still doesn't phone, and a last minute email the day of to pretty much suggest he is on his way, another email that I don't get, because it is sent to say he needs to change his time earlier, and I don't get the email in time to reply to him to tell him I wish he had PHONED ME because of course i was available. AND THEN, turns out he was doing all the same emails to a friend of mine for the same day and time, and showed up to see her instead. AND THEN turned around to set up a second appointment with her, that he did NOT show up to. AND THAT, ladies and gentlemen, is not uncommon with some repeat clients who do things by emails, and why there is a 3 email rule lol And why to this day, anyone who contacts me by email is getting the same reply :thank you for your interest, i do not book or provide info by email, please phone when you can. Just like I did to a guy today who used a contact form on an ad site, i was in my email, received the email at 10:29, replied to the email before 10:35, and he did not call me or email me back. That is another type of time waster. If you contact someone, and she replies, just reply back to let her know you got it, even if you aren't interested. We dont' mind if you aren't interested, we mind if we take the time to reply to your enquiry and you ignore it.

on behalf of us old men. Thanks :)

To be honest, this kind of thing is the main reason why I don't tend to request particular things in advance. Yes, there are particular things I like, and I'll definitely go and see someone who I think it likely to provide those things... but I much prefer to let any given encounter play out however it happens to go at the time. And yes, that does mean that I'm not going to tick all of my favourite boxes every time I see someone... but that's OK. If someone's good enough at X, then as far as I'm concerned she can keep me happy without doing Y and Z at all, even though Y and Z are things I generally like. And yes, I'll go back and see her.... again, and again. Unfortunately. If my mechanic left my car in as good shape as SPs leave me, life would be much better...

If I may add as well to these questions? Once a client pays the door fee, the options he requests may be tiered as Whiteman mentioned earlier in this thread. Spa's that have a door fee allow the client to choose which options he is looking for. Not everyone will choose all of the options an independent or an all inclusive establishment offer. It's important to do a little research before and to tip accordingly. A misinformed client may assume that the door fee is all that's required and tip what they feel is fair. This may lead to misunderstanding and the MA left short.

Absolutely. I hate them. I much prefer to have a flat fee, and get whatever the MA offers. If I'm not impressed with what she offered, I won't be back, and I won't write her a reco. It's that simple. One thing I've found, without exception: If someone wants to nickel and dime you for things like bodyslides, then what you'll get is a crappy bodyslide because it's being done by someone who just wants the extra $$$ and probably doesn't like doing bodyslides in the first place. Whereas if you see someone who genuinely enjoys them and makes it part of her standard service... you'll get a MUCH better experience all round.

This is part of the reason I really enjoy working where I do. It's a flat fee for the room and my company! The tiered offerings always seemed to create a lot of confusion. If you communicate with the person you are going to see you can get the financials out of the way up front. This ensures that any tips that are beyond that are a token of appreciation for the encounter. I believe that just like any service industry the tip u leave should be in line with your own comfort level, and the service you were provided. I believe tips are not required, but I definitely remember the gentleman that offers one. In short in my opinion the answer to your question is that if you communicate up front you will never be left feeling like you shorted the lady, and anything above that is a kind token that will definitely be appreciated. Kelly

Hi Tipping Varies form lady to lady.. here is a generalization but is always best to contact the lady or spa of you interest to get more exact info... But at least is a start point... Normally when you Visit a Spa/ Massage Parlour there is a door Fee that can range between 40$ and 80$ depending on the length of the appt.., also can be higher if you are looking for something longer than 60 min.. and/or Duo Session.. Tipping can range Between 60$ and 120$...l again this is at the discretion on the lady and to be discuss directly with her If you were to be looking at an Indy.. most of them offer Package prices.., so is a one fee that includes all..., Also some of spa ladies like myself... also offer packages (all inclusive prices) so that there is no suprises to the gentlemen that decide to visit... Good Luck and Welcome to the MA world!

My bad, didn't actually click on the link, thought it was about Kobe - hence the pics looked too good to be true comment. No, pretty sure there is only one Asian Amy. How did your date with Amy go?

Some may think my statement harsh but if you know you are dealing with a 16 yr old you deserve prosecution, thats a child. In my opinion 18 is to young, but thats just me. I know in Canada you are considered an adult at 18 but that is still a teenager, so is 19 . It is alot to expect teens to deal with adults in their 30's,40's, 50's and beyond. Although I realize everyone matures differently I can only think back when I was a teen and I know I wasn't an exception to how immature and unprepared they can be.