Why is it that good looking 21 year olds think they can get our services for free?

[Tulsa 130]

Whatever you do SA don't smile and whistle at work.. it may happen!

 

Guys have even had the nerve to look up and smile at me after making me cum and say.. ''you should be paying me''.. ugh..

 

 

Lol... funny you should say that, one guy actually said I would love it so much I would be paying him for the time... Boy was he wrong...

[Sensual Serena 363]

Thanks for that post. It IS SO TRUE!! I always hear...'well..you are probably used to old fat guys...i'm young and hot...blah blah f'n blah'

 

I always just say...'You called me to provide a service.. these are my rates, and there are no deals.'

The fact of the matter is that I actually prefer older, self aware men as opposed to the cocky younger pricks. I don't need some ass calling me up for service and expecting that he is doing me a favor. HA - he isn't. The older guys are (usually - not to stereotype) are much more respectful and fun. If there were discounts at all - that would be where they would sit.

 

These 'young buckin' bronco's' are often the ones that call late at night after they struck out at the bar and have "NEVER CALLED AN ESCORT BEFORE" hmmmm...never heard that line.

 

Like really...either you failed at the bar...or you realize that buying a girl drinks at the bar all night (and facing her in the morning when the poor innocent girl thinks she is your girlfriend) is just too much work. These reasons are why you call us. So don't even think to try and hold some sort of imaginary upper hand.

 

I have much more on the topic but I will stop myself now.

 

Serena

[Guest S***dst***]

Thanks for that post. It IS SO TRUE!! I always hear...'well..you are probably used to old fat guys...i'm young and hot...blah blah f'n blah'

 

I always just say...'You called me to provide a service.. these are my rates, and there are no deals.'

The fact of the matter is that I actually prefer older, self aware men as opposed to the cocky younger pricks. I don't need some ass calling me up for service and expecting that he is doing me a favor. HA - he isn't. The older guys are (usually - not to stereotype) are much more respectful and fun. If there were discounts at all - that would be where they would sit.

 

These 'young buckin' bronco's' are often the ones that call late at night after they struck out at the bar and have "NEVER CALLED AN ESCORT BEFORE" hmmmm...never heard that line.

 

Like really...either you failed at the bar...or you realize that buying a girl drinks at the bar all night (and facing her in the morning when the poor innocent girl thinks she is your girlfriend) is just too much work. These reasons are why you call us. So don't even think to try and hold some sort of imaginary upper hand.

 

I have much more on the topic but I will stop myself now.

 

Serena

 

This will be my last post on this thread, as it seems to be less and less of a rant/steam blowing-off and more and more of a young guy bashing thread.

Which is not in the interest or spirit of the board, Please stop yourselves BEFORE posting.

 

My darling Serena, I am only 25 years old. I do not visit SP's or MP because I've "struck out at the bar" nor due to the scenario regarding getting someone drunk and taking advantage of them.

I am too busy establishing myself in my practice and living situations to warrant devoting sufficient time for this aspect of my life.

Would I reject it if it arose? Absolutely not :D

In the mean time "all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy" I absolutely LOVE cuddling and meaningful conversations. I love the soft caress of a female's body next to me while we lie wrapped in each others arms.

I will never feel the need to defend other people's actions, as they are not my own, and I'm sure you ladies go through a lot of grief.

 

No disrespect intended but I find your comments quite arrogant. Almost as if you hold yourself above your clients. If you feel hostile towards the younger crowd, enforce an age minimum and enjoy a happier life style.

 

It's easy to be mean to someone, it is HARD to be nice to them; this is especially true about ones self.

[Nicolette Vaughn 294340]

No disrespect intended but I find your comments quite arrogant. Almost as if you hold yourself above your clients. If you feel hostile towards the younger crowd, enforce an age minimum and enjoy a happier life style.

 

It's easy to be mean to someone, it is HARD to be nice to them; this is especially true about ones self.

 

So it's okay if a young guy comes over and expects certsin things like discounts or like they're do us a favor because they're "hot'? And as we all know being "hot" is subjective. I had a horrible experience with a younger guy recently and I think with the SPs who have had experience with younger men, many of the comments ring true. Some young clients may be the exception but let's face it, they're not fully mature at that point or have had enough life experience to understand how some things work. Like intimacy or treating a woman with respect and not calling her a bitch while having sex with her thinking it's cool. It's not cool. I, myself enforce an age policy and that one day where I didn't put it in my ad, I met someone young.

[Guest s******ecan****]

Hi everyone,

 

Not that they are the only ones but they seem to be the most common.

 

 

Speedstick I understand where you are coming from but I don't think the ladies are "bashing" younger clients. As Tulsa said at the start of the thread there are immature individuals right across the age spectrum.

 

In fact almost all the posts by Ladies in this thread make this clarification including Serena when she says...

 

"The older guys are (usually - not to stereotype) are much more respectful and fun."

The ladies here are posting based on their own experiences, so I don't think they are sharing those experiences with the intent to bash anyone.

 

Also some ladies find that being addressed this way "My darling.." especially in a post where you are criticizing them, to be condecending.

[Carrie Moon 68826]

I for one have been sticking up for the younger clients.. and always do. Rude is rude and many of those have been young. But I don't think paint all younger clients with a full thick brush. Many ladies have a mature clients only policy. I don't. I have a 'respectful clients' policy. Simple as that. Age guarantees nothing..

 

I love you Nikki... but I've had clients well over the age of 50 pull the type of crap on me that one young guy did. The only guy I ever had to stop a session with and remove from my apt was easily 55 or 60. It certainly wasn't pleasant but I didn't then also paint him with a cultural brush based on his background. It was him individually and solely responsible.

[SmartnSexy 2089]

So it's okay if a young guy comes over and expects certsin things like discounts or like they're do us a favor because they're "hot'? And as we all know being "hot" is subjective. I had a horrible experience with a younger guy recently and I think with the SPs who have had experience with younger men, many of the comments ring true. Some young clients may be the exception but let's face it, they're not fully mature at that point or have had enough life experience to understand how some things work. Like intimacy or treating a woman with respect and not calling her a bitch while having sex with her thinking it's cool. It's not cool. I, myself enforce an age policy and that one day where I didn't put it in my ad, I met someone young.

 

I think what Speedstick was riled up about was that he feels that young guys are all being put in the same bucket. A very unsavory bucket. You had a bad experience with a younger guy, I'm sorry for that. But judging all from the actions of one is just plain unfair.

 

To be honest I think the reason why you'll see things like a young guy calling an SP a bitch is that that's what he's seen in the pornos and so he thinks that's what women will like. That error though is more likely due to his own inexperience rather than him being rude. Did you tell him that you didn't like that? If so, how did he react? As a general rule a man's "performance measure" should be how satisfied he left the woman once he walks out the door.

 

Admittedly I'm a younger guy, and I'm doing my best to not to take any of this personally, but someone has to speak up. We're not all douche bag clients who think we're god's gift to women. On the contrary, I'd like to think I'm a very respectful guy who enjoys the company of women (a lot ;)), but that's really just my thoughts on how I act, you'd have to speak to the SPs I've been with to know for sure.

 

As Carrie pointed out, age is not exactly a determining factor in whether or not someone is going to be a jerk or not. Sometimes it just happens.

[Nicolette Vaughn 294340]

I think what Speedstick was riled up about was that he feels that young guys are all being put in the same bucket. A very unsavory bucket. You had a bad experience with a younger guy, I'm sorry for that. But judging all from the actions of one is just plain unfair..

 

I wasn't judging from just one experience ( that was just recently) but as an experienced SP and one who didn't have an age policy in the past, I've had many similar experiences to this one with younger guys. I had decided to enforce an age policy because I wasn't enjoying encounters with younger men. The reason for this is because I had different expecatations of what the type of session should be based on what I advertised just as the young client expected something different in his mind.

 

To be honest I think the reason why you'll see things like a young guy calling an SP a bitch is that that's what he's seen in the pornos and so he thinks that's what women will like. That error though is more likely due to his own inexperience rather than him being rude. Did you tell him that you didn't like that? If so, how did he react? As a general rule a man's "performance measure" should be how satisfied he left the woman once he walks out the door..

 

Yes, you are correct. I know it is because of his inexperience with women and probably life experiences in general and I told him he shouldn't be saying those things. He just kind of shrugged it off as if he didn't care. I felt like I was scolding a child. The whole experience didn't feel right.

 

 

Admittedly I'm a younger guy, and I'm doing my best to not to take any of this personally, but someone has to speak up. We're not all douche bag clients who think we're god's gift to women. On the contrary, I'd like to think I'm a very respectful guy who enjoys the company of women (a lot ;)), but that's really just my thoughts on how I act, you'd have to speak to the SPs I've been with to know for sure..

 

I'm not disputing the fact that not all young guys are like this. In fact, I've met a few who were nice and respectful but again it just wasn't a good fit for me in the bedroom. It's just a different mentality, that's all. I just don't feel comfortable seeing young guys just as some men here may have a problem seeing young SPs barely pushing 20.

[Andee 220524]

Speedstick: As I said previously, it's not just young guys, it's guys of all ages, but it generally it is younger guys who pull that.

 

There is a difference between punks and younger guys. Like Carrie suggested, they're not all bad. Just like not all older guys are necessarily good.

 

I find some older clients try to push the boundaries on overstaying their welcome or trying to get together off the clock once they meet you, which is sometimes worse to deal with than the ones who let you know right from the outset what their intentions are, so you can blow them off right away (no pun intended).

 

I do not think this thread was aimed at bashing "all" young guys, but rather those who behave the way Tulsa pointed out.

[Tulsa 130]

Hi everyone,

 

I just want to mention that Angela of Ottawa is absolutely right, I am not saying all of them are bad or want to think they can get freebies/discounts/my heart because they are 21 and fit/good looking/better than the old guys I'm used to seeing all day/etc... I was simply saying at that time that it seemed most of them were trying this.

 

I enjoy reading all the post on here, and all comments are welcomed, I haven't seen "tween" bashing in any form. However, it seems some of you are taking it personal.

 

Moto about taking it personal:

 

The only thing that can be personal is something that affects you because you are doing it, have done it, or plan on doing it!

 

If you're are not doing any of those things than it's just a comment and it's nothing personal. Therefore don't take it that way!

 

 

[Guest O***wa**W]

I get this regularily as well. Men saying they are good looking and asking for a discount especially. This is especially funny since most of the time they send pics and I am not even attracted to them anyways!

[Guest s******ecan****]

When I first heard of this phenomenem I thought it must be an urban myth, but over time I've seen postings about it often enough to know its real. It still surprises me though.

[Old Dog 179138]

.... so what you are saying ....ummm.... in a few years I shouldn't be asking for a senior's discount?? I only ask cuz OCTranspo lets seniors ride for a much cheaper rate.... (ducking)....

 

.... back to the thread.

[BarrhavenWoody 10776]

Here's how I see it now, and maybe this explanation will work for some of your ?younger? clients:

 

When you find a barber who you like, you go there more often right?

If the service is good and you go there a lot you'll talk more and you become better ?friends? right?

When people like their barber they never beg for free hair cuts, they give them a BIGGER tip.

Same with a good mechanic, a good waiter, etc... So why no do the same for your favorite SP?

 

 

That's a great way of looking at it. Funny that this is from a younger guy.

[Tulsa 130]

To old dog:

 

l have to say I found your comment quite funny. In reply I would be inclined to give you a seniors discount, just like OC Transpo. The reason, even though I don't know you, I'm sure you would be great company and would know how to treat me like a woman.

 

Most of these young guys are "rough around the edges" and think we are "barbie dolls" that can bend in anyway possible. They also think they can call us every name in the book and degrade us, while getting a discount.

 

So yes Seniors Discounts are IN, Student passes are OUT

[moonshadow 369]

Why is it that good looking 21 year olds think they can get our services for free?

 

Well, I used to be 21 and good looking. Lol

And most of my thinking was done with my little head...not my big head.

That's probably the main reason why 21 year old guys seem a little

dumb to you. They are still a little naive when it comes to "business". A

nd not much common sense is present at that age.

 

Most of them will eventually start to get smarter...but speaking

from experience it's a Slow process. And the little head still tries to do some of the

thinking...no matter how old we get.

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[Ryo83 604]

I'm 27 and at least like to think that I'm good looking, lol!

 

My point is, I would never use my age or anything else for that matter as a means of trying to see an SP for free.

 

For me it comes down to respect.

 

If an SP is offering a service for a given price, and you negotiate that price, it's like telling her to her face that she's not worth what she's asking. If you want her service for free, you're telling her that she's worth nothing in your eyes.

 

That's just low and conceited of you to think that you deserve for free what others are willingly paying for.

 

Also, I would never expect to develop a relationship with an SP. I have never developed a relationship (other than professional/friendly) with an SP. If you are referring to romantic relationships, then that sort of thing can't be predicted. It either happens out of the blue simply because it would work, or it doesn't happen at all.

 

just my 2 cents.

[Heartburn 155]

Like Robin Williams said: God gave men a brain and a penis, but just enough blood to use one at a time

 

:boobeyes:

[nutty 153]

In all honesty, the first time I contacted an SP (a couple of years ago) I asked if we could get together for coffee first... of course, I got the standard "that's not how this works" line, but at the time I thought it was totally legit. I was in my late 20's, good job and no financial issues, I just wanted to make sure that I was going to meet someone worth paying, and that I was easing into the whole thing.

 

Obviously, over the last few years I've figured out the profession and I totally agree, you should be paid for your time. I'm not trying to defending the 21 year olds that are trying to get cheap services, or the punks that think they're god's gift and think you should be appreciative of them, I'm just saying that it's not always some guy trying to scam you. In my case, it was really just a newby trying to be cautious - getting into this hobby can be a bit intimidating for the younger first timers.

[Andee 220524]

In all honesty, the first time I contacted an SP (a couple of years ago) I asked if we could get together for coffee first... of course, I got the standard "that's not how this works" line, but at the time I thought it was totally legit. I was in my late 20's, good job and no financial issues, I just wanted to make sure that I was going to meet someone worth paying, and that I was easing into the whole thing.

 

Obviously, over the last few years I've figured out the profession and I totally agree, you should be paid for your time. I'm not trying to defending the 21 year olds that are trying to get cheap services, or the punks that think they're god's gift and think you should be appreciative of them, I'm just saying that it's not always some guy trying to scam you. In my case, it was really just a newby trying to be cautious - getting into this hobby can be a bit intimidating for the younger first timers.

 

Which is why I always give a newbie the benefit of the doubt. I try to be patient and polite, but usually I can tell by their response whether they are in fact just being cautious or don't know the etiquette or they are in fact some punk or some guy who thinks he's God's gift to women.

[Amanda Bella 421]

I for one have been sticking up for the younger clients.. and always do. Rude is rude and many of those have been young. But I don't think paint all younger clients with a full thick brush. Many ladies have a mature clients only policy. I don't. I have a 'respectful clients' policy. Simple as that. Age guarantees nothing..

 

I love you Nikki... but I've had clients well over the age of 50 pull the type of crap on me that one young guy did. The only guy I ever had to stop a session with and remove from my apt was easily 55 or 60. It certainly wasn't pleasant but I didn't then also paint him with a cultural brush based on his background. It was him individually and solely responsible.

 

I agree with Carrie Moon!

One of the most memorable interesting experiences i had

lately was with a 22 year old guy.

When he came in i had all these esthereotypes

in my head! His race and his age!

By the time we were in bed i was begging him to stay longer

and we had a great time! He made me come over and over again and again.

He called me the next day asking me:

"Why were you shaking after sex?" I thought it was so cute!

 

We company providers get

to become more open minded about the New generation of males

out there!

Because if they have been well loved and are raised by

feminists who have taught them to be respectfull

and gentle to women. You might get a gem!