Goodbye CL?

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According to PC World (and over 900 newspapers), it appears that a certain list has redacted a certain category. Maybe now CERB will be focused on the quality people we already enjoy here on this list.

Have a great Sunday folks

[Mister C 1725]

I heard about this on the news. It is still available here in Halifax. Not sure when they are going to delete it.

[Guest s******ecan****]

It was only a matter of time.

[roamingguy 300291]

I believe this applies to the United States. It was done, I believe, at the insistance of the District Attorny. Maybe Canada will follow suit, but I think it applies to the United States for now

RG

[Ava Foxx 1747]

I believe it only affects the U.S.

[Andee 220524]

I wish they would change their policy in Canada to paid ads - I think that would cut down on the garbage.

[stevecurious 42059]

I wish they would change their policy in Canada to paid ads - I think that would cut down on the garbage.

 

Angela you may indeed be onto something with that thought. However I am wondering that with the lack of regulation would paid ads be enough? Just curious but what would an ad like that cost? I only as because I have no idea how much it costs you ladies to advertise anywhere?

[Andee 220524]

Angela you may indeed be onto something with that thought. However I am wondering that with the lack of regulation would paid ads be enough? Just curious but what would an ad like that cost? I only as because I have no idea how much it costs you ladies to advertise anywhere?

 

Most crackheads would not get it together to present a credit and verifiable ID to place an ad, even at $10. or $5 to re-post.

[Guest W***ledi*Time]

... Just curious but what would an ad like that cost? ...

 

According to The New York Times, which speculates that this is a "high-stakes stunt to influence public opinion":

Doubts about whether the block on the sex ads section is permanent are fueled by the prospect of [the site] losing a significant amount of money.

The ads, which cost $10 to post and $5 to repost

, are expected to bring in $44.4 million this year, about a third of [the site's] annual revenue, according to the Advanced Interactive Media Group.

Addressing the current situation further:

... using the word ?censored? suggests that the increasingly combative company is trying to draw attention to its fight with state attorneys general over sex ads and to issues of free speech on the Internet.

 

The law has been on [the site's] side. The federal Communications Decency Act protects Web sites against liability for what their users post on the sites. And last year, the efforts of attorneys general were stymied when a federal judge blocked South Carolina?s attorney general from prosecuting [the site's] executives for listings that resulted in prostitution arrests.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/06/technology/06...........html?_r=1&pagewanted=2&src=busln

[Old Dog 179138]

The worst part? Even though that CL is systematically denigrated here and on other boards, it does serve its purpose. The SPs that make their living solely on CL will be forced to find alternative means and methodologies... and in the end, the move may jeopardize more of the people it sought to protect.

[Reese 253]

Angela you may indeed be onto something with that thought. However I am wondering that with the lack of regulation would paid ads be enough? Just curious but what would an ad like that cost? I only as because I have no idea how much it costs you ladies to advertise anywhere?

 

 

Cool. I walk in and out of dozens of elevators weekly, not realizing that one of them was a wormhole to an alternate universe?! So now I can relax and enjoy with piece of mind in the knowledge that on this side of the great expanse, there is truth, integrity, consumer protection and value for your $$$ in paid advertising??? Sure. Okay.

[mod 135639]

More negative publicity none of us need! Will not end well.

[fortunateone 156618]

According to The New York Times, which speculates that this is a "high-stakes stunt to influence public opinion":

Doubts about whether the block on the sex ads section is permanent are fueled by the prospect of [the site] losing a significant amount of money.

The ads, which cost $10 to post and $5 to repost

, are expected to bring in $44.4 million this year, about a third of [the site's] annual revenue, according to the Advanced Interactive Media Group.

Addressing the current situation further:

... using the word “censored” suggests that the increasingly combative company is trying to draw attention to its fight with state attorneys general over sex ads and to issues of free speech on the Internet.

 

The law has been on [the site's] side. The federal Communications Decency Act protects Web sites against liability for what their users post on the sites. And last year, the efforts of attorneys general were stymied when a federal judge blocked South Carolina’s attorney general from prosecuting [the site's] executives for listings that resulted in prostitution arrests.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/06/technology/06...........html?_r=1&pagewanted=2&src=busln

 

 

It is definitely only going to affect the US city sites. CL admin are vehemently against the efforst of these state AGs and have been in and out of court to get them off its back, as far as I can tell from last year when they implemented the payment system. The paid ad is now being used against them, as the newsreporters love to mention how much CL makes on these ads, when the measure was brought in as a direct result of the legal threats lol. So they pay people to screen the ads, and payment cuts down on the numbers, and the excess $$ is used for charitable organizations, but no one ever wants to mention where the money going, just how much there is.

 

If there had been no complaints or legal threats, CL would continue to happily make no money on the erotic services ads. I think allowing the AG threats to change how they did things actually opened them up to more legal headaches. Making money on the ads now can be viewed as profiting from them, whereas before no one could make that statement. So, in order to try to address the complaints, that led to more complaints. Lose lose.

 

CL has always been firmly against having paid ads on their sites, or allowing big governement to come in and try to control them. They are very San Francisco. It was supposed to be an alternative to pay sites, to allow everyone free access and opportunities, and that does continue to be their main purpose. It is a shame that they can't do that in their own country, but maybe as lawsuits continue, they may get it finally resolved thru federal courts like that last story you mentioned.

[Guest W***ledi*Time]

Report by the Canadian Press, 7 Sep 2010:

 

RCMP Wants [CL] to Stop Erotic Ads

　

The RCMP says it's working with [CL] to try to stop erotic ads that many fear are a cover for prostitution from being posted on the company's website in Canada.

 

[CL] shut down its adult services section in the United States on Saturday ...

 

But as of Tuesday, the Canadian site still had an "erotic" link listed under services. Mounties want that to change.

 

"The RCMP Human Trafficking National Co-ordination Centre has partnered with [CL] and has met (with [CL] officials) on several occasions trying to implement some measures in Canada," Sgt. Marie-Claude Arsenault said at a news conference in Winnipeg.

 

"There's already some measures in place ... not all the ones that are in the U.S. at the time, but we are speaking with them and trying to bring these measures in Canada."

 

When asked directly if the RCMP wanted [CL] to shut down adult sections on its Canadian website, Arsenault said: "These are the kinds of measures we are looking at in Canada."

 

A [CL] spokeswoman did not immediately respond to emails from The Canadian Press requesting comment ...

 

The "erotic" link on the Canadian site has a warning and disclaimer attached to it. It says users agree "to flag as 'prohibited' anything illegal or in violation of the [CL] terms of use. This includes, but is not limited to, offers for or the solicitation of prostitution."

 

Media and legal experts suggest [CL] may have to follow suit by shutting down such services in Canada.

 

"There was a huge wave of pressure coming from all kinds of points of interest, pressuring [CL] to shut down this service, from the community and also from government," said Sidneyeve Matrix, a media professor at Queen's University in Kingston, Ont.

 

"The pushback is the same in the U.S. and Canada."

 

Matrix's colleague at Queen's University, law professor Art Cockfield, said there are perhaps thousand of sites that offer similar adult services...

 

"Because of the U.S. action, because it's decided to shut this down south of the border, may be there will be public pressure on [CL] and there also may be a bit of a Canadian public outcry against law enforcement saying 'Why aren't you putting pressure on them like the American authorities did?' " said Cockfield.

 

He's unsure if the company could be legally forced to shut down in Canada.

 

"If the law enforcement officials believe that they were engaged in illegal activities, actually acting as an online pimp, then that is a violation of our federal criminal laws and they could be prosecuted," said Cockfield.

 

Removing the service from [CL] won't stop human trafficking or prostitution, but Matrix believes it's a good step forward.

 

"It's very easy to find interviews with people who are working in the ... sex trade who have said that [CL] is the best way for them to advertise," she said.

 

"Not having that service will definitely be an obvious disincentive and it will just make buying sex and finding those kind of activities just a little bit harder."

　

[mod 135639]

They are obviously not pimping anyone! That is just ridiculous to even suggest and any judge would toss that allegation right out the door I would hope as that is just insane! They would need to charge all the newspapers in Canada, all the escort directories, magazines.. LOL.. Not going to happen.

 

The laws here would need to be changed in order for Canada to force CL to close that section. They tried to go after a news publication back in the 80's in Toronto (Rag magazine that has LOTS of escort ads on a number of the back pages)

 

The police had public complaints and they tried to force them to stop printing explicit ads for escorts in the magazine (Was probably funding the entire magazine). The laws were challenged and I am pretty sure it made it right up to the supreme court of Canada

 

The court determined that the current laws forbid solicitation in a public "PLACE" (Place being the keyword and the final deciding factor of the decision)

 

A place does not include a "Publication" a place is a physical location where the solicitation of prostitution was taking place in public view (such as a street corner, casino, hotel lobby, etc..). The courts rules that the magazine and any publications were not to be considered a "Place" and therefore they were permitted to continue advertising escorts for the purpose of prostitution legally.

 

Cyberspace... NOT A REAL PLACE!

 

They would have to challenge this law first ... without the laws being changed the supreme court of Canada would not revisit such a challenge and would refuse the case.

 

This whole thing is drawing UNWANTED publicity to your hobby guys!! If they are successful in the USA groups in Canada will pursue this as well using the human trafficking and the underage pimping as an excuse and start pointing fingers at the entire industry!! CL will be the first target and everyone will assume all the other "BETTER" sites are just the same!!

 

CL is a pool of crime and is abused (We all know that) and if this continues and any legal / political action is started using CL as the reason why newer tougher laws are needed... you can kiss your freedom here goodbye!

 

It could end VERY badly for ALL websites as it would allow them to make a example out of them and places like cerb, ec, now, eye, the SUn, etc... will all be forced to change or possibly close. (I would relocate to somewhere in Europe and run the site from overseas - you think the pages load slow at peek hours now! LOL!)

 

All I can say is... Consider voting RED in the next election as a lot less chance exists of bad moral laws being implemented to our "morally objected community" with the liberals in charge.

[Loki318 1631]

The worst part? Even though that CL is systematically denigrated here and on other boards, it does serve its purpose. The SPs that make their living solely on CL will be forced to find alternative means and methodologies... and in the end, the move may jeopardize more of the people it sought to protect.

 

Actually I didn't find CL until after I found CERB and I didn't find CERB until after I had been hobbying for many many years... There are lots of other venues out there for lady's to advertise... CL is an easy target right now because it is big and in the public eye.

 

This "business" has been around forever and will be around for ever ....

Will the demise of CL give the "high end" high priced lady's more business? Not much I think.

Will the demise of CL put the lower end more reasonably priced lady's out of business? I hope not :bowdown:

 

Will the demise of CL stop all the B & S and BS and Pimps and get rid of all the scum in the business ... nope

 

It has always been somewhere and with CL gone it will just be Some where else :sad:

 

Loki318

[jg24 3707]

Well we all know LE monitors CL and the review and recomendation boards. Now if they acted on some of the negatives they see posted it might not be as big a problem.

 

We have creditable ladies on CL and not so creditable they need to go after them the druggies the rip off artist its not hard to figure it out its all at there finger tips we have done the work for the LE now act on it.

 

If CL goes we will have a flood of Cerb haters here from the T board as they will loose there favorite site as it is paid advertising on the T board so very few ladies advertise on the board. The negativety over there against Cerb is pathetic. Yes there is no negativety threads here good or bad that is the way it is if you have bad encounter here although you cant write about it but there is ways to warn Cerbies.

 

After almost many yrs hobbying you learn to weed things out and read between the lines. So CL gone good or bad we will still have a place to come and choose beautiful ladies to see and TRUST that when we go see them we will leave happy and in one piece.