On "Model Looks"

[ClaRayDeb 100]

After many years away from hiring escorts, I'm quite amazed to discover that there are truly "model looks" girls available for affordable ($200!) rates.

 

I was always under the impression that the model girls classified themselves as "high end" and charged in the vicinity of $1k.

 

If "high end" no longer means model looks, then what on earth do they offer that justifies the big cost?

[etasman2000 15994]

there was never justification needed for their compensation.

[Malika Fantasy 144625]

I agree with etasman2000. We dont need to justify how much we charge an hour,if a girl wan to be higher volume she will charge less and higher rates reflect more the companionship not only the sex

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[Cowboy kenny 50799]

Before everybody piles on to this thread I think it should be noted that the OP is actualy paying homage to the many beautiful ladies who charge fair, affordable and reasonable rates, compared to the prices he payed many years ago when he left the hobby. Read the post again.

 

 

We should be so lucky to enjoy the company of all these wonderful women!

[BootyLoving 2441]

Its true. I remember when $400 was the average rate, however, there are quite many variable - most of which is economic condition, and competition (internet).

 

With information so readily available, and more important, sharing of information - we are all becoming shoppers for service. Just as ebay and amazon is shifting the brick & mortar's margin, so is places like cerb in promoting more independent, reducing overhead cost (passed down to us) and still holding SP and SR (Johns) to account.

 

Model Looks is now just one of few criteria that we filter upon. Honestly, I would pass on someone with "model looks" for better service, and experience. There are SP in here deservingly commanding higher rates for specialty services, who are not "model looks".

[E.D. man 691]

to me model looks are generally unhealthy, I think Sin Cindy and Kimberly- Shea out of the 20 women I have met on here are the most beautiful and intelligent , personable women I have met on here.

I like a healthy looking women, not anerexious which models tend to be.

[Megan'sTouch 23875]

After many years away from hiring escorts, I'm quite amazed to discover that there are truly "model looks" girls available for affordable ($200!) rates.

I think everyone has a different view on what model looks are. I can confirm there are stunningly beautiful women who charge the going rate!

If "high end" no longer means model looks, then what on earth do they offer that justifies the big cost?

While no escort has a monopoly on sex, we have a monopoly on sex with US which means we can charge whatever we want and if a gent wants to have sex with US, he has to pay our rate.

 

Another thing to notice is that women who charge high rates tend to be low-volume, and I believe that women who are low-volume provide better service. This is NOT a hard and fast rule, but a general observation. When I was dancing, the ladies who worked every day may siginficantly less money per hour than the ladies who danced only occasionally. I know for me, the fewer people I see, the more excited and enthusiastic I am, and I provide better service.

[Cleo Catra 178382]

I agree with etasman2000. We dont need to justify how much we charge an hour,if a girl wan to be higher volume she will charge less and higher rates reflect more the companionship not only the sex

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I don't think he was asking anyone to justify their rates love! But I do know that girl who looked like victoria's secret models DID charge more in the past, advertising 'model looks', and now they charge the same as most others.

 

I think the reason for this is that many gentlemen will take great, personal service over the supermodel look, which has caused the women charged more because of their looks make a reduction, as they may not have been as busy with the higher rates

[Andee 220524]

At one time, you couldn't get work with an agency, if you didn't measure up to a certain standard because they figured the guys would not want an ordinary girl-next-door type. I know, because I had a friend who was an escort in Toronto in the 1980s and it was brutal.

 

In 1995, was told I was "too old" when I started at age 35, but the agency owner, liked my attitude and advertised me at 29. Then I convinced her to let me advertise my own age, and "boom", lo and behold guys actually wanted to see a bigger, older woman (I weighed 150, then).

 

We were basically told not to kiss, allow DATY and for duos, we had to use a dental dam (which to us, was a condom cut open). If they found out you did anything you weren't supposed to, you got ridden out of there. In-calls were unheard of, so if the agency owners didn't like you, you didn't work.

 

The Internet paved the way for being able to work Indie and thus us ladies being able to provide the services we felt comfortable with. I have always been pretty open and always allowed kissing and DATY since 2000.

 

As far as the model looks good, I have met very few ladies who actually fit that bill, so even when there were standards, it was subjective.

 

I think it's really about the whole package, looks just being one aspect. I truly do believe that.

[roamingguy 300292]

After many years away from hiring escorts, I'm quite amazed to discover that there are truly "model looks" girls available for affordable ($200!) rates.

 

I was always under the impression that the model girls classified themselves as "high end" and charged in the vicinity of $1k.

 

If "high end" no longer means model looks, then what on earth do they offer that justifies the big cost?

 

I've heard the term "model looks" girls before, so when I ask this, it's a more rhetorical question than anything. What exactly is a "model looks" girl.

A woman who could be on Victoria's Secret, Sports Illustrated, Playboy etc etc etc magazines/catalogues. Or a lady that models high fashion, going down the runway.

EVERY lady I have had the pleasure of meeting is beautiful. And it was much more than looks and services, it was, as Angela said, the whole package.

RG

[Nicolette Vaughn 294340]

Beauty is so subjective and I think attitude and how you present yourself in terms of looking good for a customer and providing great service are key elements to making it in this business as opposed to someone just having model looks and charging a higher rate. As someone who does not have model looks, I consider myself an attractive and pretty woman and so do other people who have met me. I do perfectly fine thank-you very much. :)

[Juice 2105]

I like a healthy looking women, not anerexious which models tend to be.

 

Well it begs the question how you define "healthy looking" (and how would you know if she is healthy anyway?). This sounds like an implication that girls are unhealthy if thin -- that is a bit stereotypical. Just because a girl is thin or typical "model looks" doesn't mean she is bulimic. Probably the majority of thin people are less prone to a lot of health problems such as heart attacks and diabetes, according to the epidemilogical studies I have read.

 

Anyway "each to his own" - at least there are different types of people out there and all different preferences. I suppose it's good that we don't all trip over each other on our way to our next SPs!

[SexxxyRebecca 57975]

"Model looks" ..... Which kind of "model look" we are talking about... ? There so many type of model... Petite, Plus size, etc.. ;) ....

[whiteman 14028]

I think the model-looks girls are the ones that allow you to hold their hair out of the toilet bowl while the wretch their lunch out, as part of foreplay. :)

[Juice 2105]

Its true. I remember when $400 was the average rate.

 

I remember going through Montreal 18 years ago and getting a top end escort for $90/hr. An old geezer wrote to another board that he recalled, years before that, getting it for $20 standard rate, "uncovered."

[moonshadow 369]

I'm not gonna lie...I love women that look like models. Super tall, lean and tr

im, beautiful facial features.

But there is something ...ummmm...unnatural about a woman like that being with

a guy like me. A Pudgy,pasty white and average looking middle aged dude. Lol.

Gimme a more "realistic" woman with a sence of humour and a great attitude and I will

probably have more fun.

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[Megan'sTouch 23875]

I'm not gonna lie...I love women that look like models. Super tall, lean and tr

im, beautiful facial features.

But there is something ...ummmm...unnatural about a woman like that being with

a guy like me. A Pudgy,pasty white and average looking middle aged dude. Lol.

Gimme a more "realistic" woman with a sence of humour and a great attitude and I will

probably have more fun.

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You bring up a very good point. When I started stripping, I intially thought that the "model" dancers would make big bucks, and the "pretty girl next door" dancers would make average money. I was shocked to see time and time again a guy turn down a perfect 10 for a more "average" looking woman.

 

I believe many men are intimidated by beautiful women and feel more comfortable around "hot average" women than perfect 10s.

[roamingguy 300292]

 

I believe many men are intimidated by beautiful women and feel more comfortable around "hot average" women than perfect 10s.

 

And some of us are just plain intimidated by women no matter what.:icon_lol:

BTW said tongue in cheek

RG

[PistolPete 61421]

Model looks? I personally believe that a lot of women on here have model looks.

 

 

 

"Beauty is in the eye of beholder"

 

This saying first appeared in the 3rd century BC in Greek. It didn't appear in its current form in print until the 19th century, but in the meantime there were various written forms that expressed much the same thought. In 1588, the English dramatist John Lyly, in his Euphues and his England, wrote:

"...as neere is Fancie to Beautie, as the pricke to the Rose, as the stalke to the rynde, as the earth to the roote."

Shakespeare expressed a similar sentiment in Love's Labours Lost, 1588:

Good Lord Boyet, my beauty, though but mean,

Needs not the painted flourish of your praise:

Beauty is bought by judgement of the eye,

Not utter'd by base sale of chapmen's tongues

Benjamin Franklin, in Poor Richard's Almanack, 1741, wrote:

Beauty, like supreme dominion

Is but supported by opinion

 

 

 

 

 

 

Therefore I just like to say I love all women regardless of what others may say

:)

I'm never intimidated

;)

 

[whiteman 14028]

I remember going through Montreal 18 years ago and getting a top end escort for $90/hr. An old geezer wrote to another board that he recalled, years before that, getting it for $20 standard rate, "uncovered."

I don't know about getting a "$20 uncovered standard rate", that may have been something available on the street. But I do remember when average rates in Ottawa were around $100 for everyone.

 

Additional Comments:

You bring up a very good point. When I started stripping' date=' I intially thought that the "model" dancers would make big bucks, and the "pretty girl next door" dancers would make average money. I was shocked to see time and time again a guy turn down a perfect 10 for a more "average" looking woman.

 

I believe many men are intimidated by beautiful women and feel more comfortable around "hot average" women than perfect 10s.[/quote']

Depends on what your definition of "model" is here. If the model-type dancer is the one with big enhanced boobs, the tightened face, and platinum-blond hair, then I would say most guys would think she's a freak rather than a model.

 

Also sometimes, the girls who consider themselves model-type, may project an air of arrogance. You know the type: doesn't smile, doesn't have much to say, no enthusiasm, etc. And guys would rather not have to deal with an arrogant woman when he's spending $20 per song, much easier to deal with a friendly woman.

[Ice-T 157]

No question looks are important but you also have to have a great attitude and personality. I've seen a few drop dead gorgeous sps who disappointed with their level of service (rushed, restrictions etc.) My favorite sp is great looking (to me) but probably not model material, however she provides outstanding service and is fun to be with.

[Guest W***ledi*Time]

When I see the term "model looks", I think of the type of facial features that a modeling agency would be looking for. Never having had any actual dealings with a modeling agency, I suppose this would mean some sort of particularly striking, or distinctive, beauty.

 

There's a check-box on recos for "model-looks". Searching-back, I'm now surprised to see that in the past I've actually checked it off - a couple of times. Can't say why I chose to do so for sure, because those particular ladies' looks are neither more nor less model-like than many of the others. So I guess if anyone is reading my recos, the lesson is that "model looks" means absolutely nothing in them. I seem to have checked that box off according to no rhyme nor reason.

 

Next thought:

 

Here's a quote I like from the book I'm currently reading. It may not be true through-and-through, but there's a kernel of wisdom in it somewhere, I think:

 

"... prettiness is something to like and beauty is something to be scared of"

- Brock Clarke, in "An Arsonist's Guide to Writers' Homes in New England".

 

Third thought:

 

I don't think that "looks" are the most important thing to men, anyway.

 

I earlier (http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=205300&postcount=1) posted a sort of layman's meta-analysis of the published data-summary for the discussion paper , "The Wages of Sin", from Columbia University's Dept. of Economics, June 2009. Authored by Lena Edlund, Joseph Engelberg, and Christopher A. Parsons. This paper analyzed 40,000 North American escort reviews (from a website that cannot be named here), correlating the escorts' prices and their characteristics (including age, rated appearance, rated performance).

 

It seems to me (this is my analysis of the data, not the authors') that the price an escort is able to command in the open market is dependent on two factors, namely (perceived) appearance and (perceived) performance, with performance accounting for about 60% of the price, and appearance accounting for the other 40%. (Appearance ratings peaked at ages 18-20, but performance ratings peaked at ages 36-40.) Caveat: Obviously, this statistical analysis is, uh, wanking to a ludicrous degree. And it sounds quite clinical and cold to seemingly reduce 40,000 flesh-and-blood individual ladies to a data table. I know that talking about pricing or ratings at all is playing with fire. But the general result fits my own opinion.

 

Final thought on model-looks and escorting:

 

A couple of years ago, I read "The Price" by Nathalie McLennan (alias Natalia, the $2000-an-hour New York escort). Since she was certainly a "high-end" escort, her opinion of how she was able to command such a fee may be of interest as well:

 

"Here's the crazy thing. I am not a supermodel - far from it. I'm cute, but nowhere close to drop-dead hot. I do have a great ass, and I enjoy sex like a true nymphomaniac, but my secret was I made guys want to hang out with me. I listened to them when they bragged about how much money they made or went on and on about their favourite baseball team. We joked, we partied, and then I fucked their brains out."

 

Yeah ... that sounds about right!

[Nicolette Vaughn 294340]

Final thought on model-looks and escorting:

 

A couple of years ago, I read "The Price" by Nathalie McLennan (alias Natalia, the $2000-an-hour New York escort). Since she was certainly a "high-end" escort, her opinion of how she was able to command such a fee may be of interest as well:

"Here's the crazy thing. I am not a supermodel - far from it. I'm cute, but nowhere close to drop-dead hot. I do have a great ass, and I enjoy sex like a true nymphomaniac, but my secret was I made guys want to hang out with me. I listened to them when they bragged about how much money they made or went on and on about their favourite baseball team. We joked, we partied, and then I fucked their brains out."

Yeah ... that sounds about right!

 

I think I can honestly say that as my years as an escort, there is no prerequisite to have model looks or have a model thin body. It is how attactive you are to customers. When I say attractive, it is all in how you present yourself to them. If an SP answered the door disheveled and in a crappy mood, the tone is instantly set for having a bad encounter. When a woman takes the time ( and it doesn't take long, I can do it in 5 -10 minutes) to change into a nice outfit that is classy yet sexy, some makeup especially to make your eyes stand out as striking and do your hair, the SP personna begins to take shape in those few final moments before the customer comes knocking. I can only compare it to being on stage before the curtain goes up. You have those last final seconds to put yourself in a good mood.

 

The final thing I do when I open the door is smile at the customer and give him a nice kiss and a hug. The mood is then set.. it's like making a sale... you have already won the customer over because you have broken the ice. If they reciprocate (95% of the time they do) they will have long forgotten about whether or not you have model looks. Remember the following quote? "People may forget what you said or what you did but they will never forget how you made them feel." This is my personal philosophy on escorting and apply it to my business on a regular basis.

 

I used to be obsessed wondering what the customer may be thinking about how I look yet I think maturity and confidence within myself and not based entirely on how I look has caused this shift in how I think. Customers will also pick up on how you feel. You are going to attract what you are feeling so in the end it is not all about looks. Confidence is a very attractive quality and if you can feel it, others will take notice. That counts for a hell of a lot more than just model looks if you are attractive enough looks wise along with having confidence within yourself.

[ClaRayDeb 100]

I guess I'm in the minority, but I tend to prefer looks over attitude.

 

I figure, in my dating life, I can get a woman 30+, one who's modestly attractive, and since she's actually dating me, shows enthusiasm being in my company.

 

What I CAN'T get in my real life is a woman in her early 20s and conventionally/objectively beautiful. So that is what I'm partially paying for.

 

In fact, the more young and beautiful she is, the less she has to do! She can just lie there like a lump for all I care.

 

Fortunately, it seems these days we can get both beauty and good company in one encounter.

[whiteman 14028]

In fact, the more young and beautiful she is, the less she has to do! She can just lie there like a lump for all I care.

That's sounds too much like marriage to me, the lying there like a lump part, that is. Get that treatment from your stale old wife, and then pay to get the same treatment from your fresh young SP. :prout: