An open letter

[MisterMike 1873]

Last summer I had the rare privilege to take a 45 minute flight in a B-17 bomber. Since I hold a licence I was able to actually take the controls for five minutes. The flight cost $350.00 but the experience was PRICELESS and the memories will remain strong for many years to come. The proceeds go to the restoration costs and maintenance of this rare WW-II aircraft.

 

crankF commented: "Good thing you weren't on the 17 that crashed last summer"

 

Yes that was the LIBERTY BELLE that crashed and burned just outside Chicago in June 2011. It is a great loss to the warbird restoration community but fortunately no one was seriously injured. The aircraft was pretty much a total loss. There are now only 10 airworthy '17s left

 

This is another of my hobbies. Over the past 35 years I have worked on several warbird restorations, specifically on the radio equipment and my reward has been to fly some of them.

 

I flew "909" which is a B-17F owned by the Collings Foundation in Stow MA. In case you have never heard them - check out their Web site:

 

http://www.collingsfoundation.org

 

It's an amazing place if you love old cars and airplanes. It is privately owned and only open a couple times a year to the public. They have quite the collection not only of warbirds but antique automobiles and racing cars too.

 

What does all this have to do with the subject at hand: I kinda equate paying to fly on these wonderful warbirds with having "encounters" with these wonderful providers. Both are unforgettable experiences and I am happy to help with the costs of upkeep and maintenance! However, as Meg so astutely pointed out we have to keep things in their proper perspective. You may be able to fly in the plane if you are prepared to pay the price but don't ever expect to own it.

[Kubrickfan 12836]

Which is exactly why this was not written as a "don't do this" type of thread but more of a constructive point of view :)

 

Meg (and to all our cerb ladies) -- that's fine and understood, but it begs the question I am raising which is that ... taken as a whole ... these posts can, and do, come across as negative and very critical of clients. And again, there seems to be a lot of them especially in the newbie thread.

 

Again, it's not this string or anyone in particular. Not talking about safety issues either. But they are all bricks in a wall. All I'm trying to do is caution all of the ladies that it may have unintended consequences from a "marketing standpoint," so to speak.

 

Look at it this way: if I am a new potential client and I am perusing the newbie thread and I see all these threads from the ladies complaining about otherwise gentle and gentlemanly clients asking an "inappropriate" question or not fully reading the pricing section of someone's website or not precisely following detailed instructions or needing to share detailed personal information about themselves .... well, jeez, is it even worth it? Compare that against the SP that is posting mostly positive, fun comments and has a fairly simple contact process? Who is more likely to be contacted by that new client?

 

Anyways, just food for thought.

[Meg O'Ryan 266444]

While the majority of the posters "get me" it saddens me that others felt the need to make my post negative when it is most certainly not. It's kinda harsh to tell someone that they mean something they don't. Oh well c'est la vie and at the end of the day I know what I mean!

[Guest ***nsut***jr]

There is way too much over analyzing that happens on CERB ...but thats only my opinion.

Who really gives a shit what was meant or if there is some deep meaning to the post.

It was well written and informative and thats good enough.

Honestly when I first got on CERB there were so many posts about rules and etiquette I didn't know whether to shit or wind my watch.

Luckily one pretty clever and well respected SP told me that the basic name of the game here is that us guys participate in the hobby to fuck and forget about the bullshit because a lot of us have wives for that.

Which is what I kinda sorta maybe think that Meg said in a bit of a more eloquent way.

The post was also made to the NEW TO THIS section.

Maybe we veterans should leave it be and let the new guys comment and question?

The rest of us should maybe start swapping recipes for Thanksgiving.

[backrubman 64800]

While the majority of the posters "get me" it saddens me that others felt the need to make my post negative when it is most certainly not. It's kinda harsh to tell someone that they mean something they don't. Oh well c'est la vie and at the end of the day I know what I mean!

 

Well I think if newbies can't take repeated guidance they best stay newbies. You spoke to some hazards which are very real and very dangerous and tried to give very appropriate guidance on keeping our sense of reality which some will no doubt read and be helped by it, and you did so in a very creative way I must add.

 

But like any thread on CERB it often takes on a life of it's own which was unintended by the original poster. I myself have had threads I started go totally astray. I don't mean to be judgmental of anyone, we all come from different walks of life and are very different people due to our different life experiences and each has a right to their own opinion.

 

Please don't be saddened by our freedom of expression Meg. You did a good thing.

[fortunateone 156618]

Well I think if newbies can't take repeated guidance they best stay newbies. You spoke to some hazards which are very real and very dangerous and tried to give very appropriate guidance on keeping our sense of reality which some will no doubt read and be helped by it, and you did so in a very creative way I must add.

 

But like any thread on CERB it often takes on a life of it's own which was unintended by the original poster. I myself have had threads I started go totally astray. I don't mean to be judgmental of anyone, we all come from different walks of life and are very different people due to our different life experiences and each has a right to their own opinion.

 

Please don't be saddened by our freedom of expression Meg. You did a good thing.

 

 

 

I agree.

 

This is the New to This? section. This topic is very section appropriate. It would have been great had the posters stuck with the theme in the OP, rather than worrying about it seeming negative, or affecting the sp's business lol.

 

That would have been OK if brought up in the main discussion area, but here, it would be more helpful to the New client out there who is just starting out. Or maybe he has had a couple of appts with one sp, and needs a reality check on that giddy feeling he now has with someone he really doesn't know at all.

[Phaedrus 209521]

Obviously I agree with the general point of the thread but, respectfully, here's the problem ... if you are a newbie going through the topics in this portion of the board, you are going to see a ton of topics of "dont do this," "do this, do that," and ... "for god's sake never ever do this." (smile)

 

I have to disagree, I'm afraid :)

 

I can see how this may come across as a whole bunch of rules, but really, most of this stuff is just common sense and common courtesy. But it clearly needs saying to some - you can tell by the way the same things come up over and over again. My feeling is that if this thread - and others like them - prevent a few bad experiences between SPs and clients, then they're well worth it.

 

And on the topic of this thread specifically... yes, I think it needs saying. I've had to stop and give myself a virtual tap on the shoulder on occasion, because the idea that an hour or two of fantasy could become a permanent reality is a very seductive trap, but nevertheless...

 

[Guest La***nico***]

I love the way you worded this comment Meg, I know what it is like to hide the pms and all the other normal things that girls do/are/live through. I appreciate the effort taken to ensure that the fantasy is provided, no matter what is going on in the backgound. It is a huge effort on your part, and the hobbyists need to remember that!

[Emma Alexandra 123366]

Meg put this in the right section lets face it this stuff happens...newbies,oldies whoever. She was just letting the gentlemen know that we have real lives too. Remember when we were young and if we saw our teachers outside of school we were shocked..it's kind of like that. We do have lives outside of our work. We aren't always The Fantasy.

[mrgreen760 37785]

Says something about the state of the game these days when some one feels the need to write something like this. Too bad.

 

Peace

MG

 

I didn't say or suggest the initial post was positive or negative. I made a statement about my thoughts on the current state of the game.

 

Peace

MG

[Kubrickfan 12836]

Well, it looks like I have ruffled some feathers and that certainly wasn't my intention. Let me try one more time.

 

I agree that this can be a problem and I said as much in the first sentence of my first post. And it is in the right section, I guess. And its very artfully put.

 

My point is that some of these posts seem to have to sound less like guidance for newbies and more like "complaints of the week." (smile) If there's enough of these types of posts, they do provide warnings/guidance for clients (a good thing), but if the same ladies are posting these over and over again, it might have a negative effect on how a newbie (or any client, for that matter) might perceive them. That's all.

 

Maybe its a subtlety thats lost on other folks, or maybe its more about how cerb has changed over the years. Or maybe I'm nuts. But as a guy who (I think) has always had a pretty good reputation around here over the years for watching out for our ladies, I thought I'd mention it.

 

PS ... I dont know why the "boobeyes" (smile) above are appearing ... I didn't add them and I cant figure out how to remove them.

[roamingguy 300292]

Perhaps ladies are posting over and over again because these situations come up over and over again

I know there have been threads on dating and falling in love with SP's, I kinda get a chuckle out of them because I thought this was an escort site, not a dating site. Maybe this post was in response to those threads, and maybe the ladies encounter this sort of situation regularly

Imagine how awkward and difficult a situation it is for a lady if a client says he has fallen in love and wants to date a SP.

And Meg didn't post anything as a guide, or as etiquette. Her thread was a positive post on what the ladies provide for us gentlemen, and positive on this lifestyle. It wasn't bashing or criticizing anyone...how it got construed as a negative I don't know. It was a positive reminder on what this lifestyle is, a positive, fun no strings attached encounters

But my guess, if less situations came up time and time again, you'd find less and less of these posts...but Meg did spin it quite positively, and in no way was it a negative. In fact it could almost be seen as a celebration of the ladies and the companionship they provide

RG

[Meg O'Ryan 266444]

Well, it looks like I have ruffled some feathers and that certainly wasn't my intention. Let me try one more time.

 

I agree that this can be a problem and I said as much in the first sentence of my first post. And it is in the right section, I guess. And its very artfully put.

 

My point is that some of these posts seem to have to sound less like guidance for newbies and more like "complaints of the week." (smile) If there's enough of these types of posts, they do provide warnings/guidance for clients (a good thing), but if the same ladies are posting these over and over again, it might have a negative effect on how a newbie (or any client, for that matter) might perceive them. That's all.

 

Maybe its a subtlety thats lost on other folks, or maybe its more about how cerb has changed over the years. Or maybe I'm nuts. But as a guy who (I think) has always had a pretty good reputation around here over the years for watching out for our ladies, I thought I'd mention it.

 

PS ... I dont know why the "boobeyes" (smile) above are appearing ... I didn't add them and I cant figure out how to remove them.

 

But i do not post over and over agin in threads about what not to do.....

 

Additional Comments:

I want to thank everyone for the noms on this thread! It was a work in progress for quite sometime and the lovely Sandi encouraged me to make it public! Thank you for believing in my "essay"

[Madison_Sparks 3740]

Poetry from a prostitute!!!!

AMAZING XD

 

Very well done Meg <3

 

Additional Comments:

Oh and Meg has a very good point on many levels.

 

I don't know about other SP's, but I will NEVER have an incall location EVER again because of a few "gents" who didn't understand the concept of "performance for pay".

 

Clients that don't understand this concept can become dangerous, both physically and emotionally. When a person truly thinks they are in love they will do anything to maintain that feeling. To the point where they show up without a booking to bring me coffee, ask how I'm doing, want to take me out to dinner, or the worst experience I had.......... One dude joined a service/group to meet my son to prove to me that my kid would like him if I gave him a chance :0

 

So again thanks meg. Ur words were beautiful, entertaining, and SO meaningful. All of us professional ladies enjoy being a man/woman's fantasy by the hour. But we r sexual reformers and our stage is behind closed doors.

 

The point made is an important one, perfect for all. I can see that some men prefer to not see posts like this, but cerb is a community SP's r part of that community.

 

If the tables were turned and 15% of the ladies you payed for start calling ur home/work/disturbing your family/put pressure on you to leave ur life and come live in a hotel room for the rest of ur life with "great conversation, a deep connection, and amazing sex till the day we die".......... Wouldn't u be afraid? Wouldn't u hate how these girls ruined the life u had before you agreed to the arrangement?

 

Just my two cents I guess. This is perfect for the newbie section......... Hell mod should make this a sticky :D

 

And now as to not ruin the illusion.........

 

Off I go naked on a silver unicorn galloping towards sunset where an orgy that never ends is calling to me. The sun moon and stars align from the ecstasy in the air, as the whole world cums to a climax of never ending pleasure

 

;)

[Frank7 3939]

If the tables were turned and 15% of the ladies you payed for start calling ur home/work/disturbing your family/put pressure on you to leave ur life and come live in a hotel room for the rest of ur life with "great conversation, a deep connection, and amazing sex till the day we die".......... Wouldn't u be afraid? Wouldn't u hate how these girls ruined the life u had before you agreed to the arrangement?

 

I think most guys would say yes. =p

[Ashley Ann 75247]

Poetry from a prostitute!!!!

AMAZING XD

 

Very well done Meg <3

 

Additional Comments:

I don't know about other SP's, but I will NEVER have an incall location EVER again because of a few "gents" who didn't understand the concept of "performance for pay".

 

Clients that don't understand this concept can become dangerous, both physically and emotionally. When a person truly thinks they are in love they will do anything to maintain that feeling. To the point where they show up without a booking to bring me coffee, ask how I'm doing, want to take me out to dinner, or the worst experience I had.......... One dude joined a service/group to meet my son to prove to me that my kid would like him if I gave him a chance :0

 

;)

 

I am a very friendly, loving and forgiving kind of person, but that right there, approaching my child... would make me go ape-shit crazy!!!!!!