Age

[zorobaby 4121]

Hey guys, ive been reading around the forums for a while now and this is actually starting to eat at me a bit.

 

In a growing amount of posts im seeing that people seem to think that "older gents treat women better than younger ones". Saying this makes it look like all clients under 35(?) seem to not treat the sp/ma well or we are only out for ourselves in alot of ways. I am mid 20's myself, and its starting to actually get to me that seems to be "the norm" way of thinking.

 

Id like to see what others around my age seem to think, maybe the slightly older ones seem to think... ladies why is it that my generation is least preferred in the community?

 

This isnt a rage thread... its a discussion thread. im not looking to start a fight with anyone, so please dont assume thats what im trying to do.

[cat 262460]

You ask a worthy question zorobaby. These are the factors and experience that influence my decision when deciding to see a younger than 40 guest...

 

1. Unrealistic expectations of what the session will entail. Porn has skewed manys perceptions as to what is genuine sex and what is done strictly to feed a visual desire. For the younger set it seems to be about how many sog's they are going to get or they have a list of activities that need to be completed in order for them to feel they got their moneys worth. For me this approach is exhausting in the playroom, both mentally and physically and when they leave I often reflect that the money wasn't worth the energy spent for me. This trait is not exclusive to younger clients, just more prevalent.

 

2. Contact. Many younger men contact us with little to no respect shown for us as people. One line text and emails are an instant red flag as are the phone calls that start with "How much for a blow job?" without even introducing yourself. The civil niceties are seldom present and they do not have the awareness or understanding of what it takes to be a sex worker and that we are living, breathing human beings with feelings that need to be treated as such the same as everyone else. Their inherent attitudes of youth often mislable us as disposable or less than and that is unacceptable to us.

 

3. Money. If I had a nickle for every time I've heard "Is your pussy made of gold?" from a not yet grown man cub, I'd be rich. My prices aren't and never have been in the upper price range of this industry. I provide outstanding service and take pride and care in ensuring my guests are cared for above and beyond the industry norm but younger men don't understand the cost of doing business for us. Indulging in women is like any other hobby, it takes money and the younger they are the less saved pennies they have to spend on the intangibles unlike their older counterparts.

 

All that said, I have some younger guests on my dance card who I absolutely adore. They are mature beyond their years and we are a good fit so it works. They contacted me with well articulated emails and engaged in an exchange with me that showed they were indeed the kind of client I enjoy. At that point, the age became a non issue. The younger providers often have personal reasons for staying away from their peers and that should be respected but most providers will make an exception if you approach them with the right attitude...

 

cat

[Zorotime 120]

Cat, you are a very articulate lady. This is the second post I have read belonging to you, and each time it has been an education. Thanks for your insight. I have much to learn.

Z

[xxxAxxx 21016]

I for one do not judge a client on his age, it's not something I ask about prior to meeting. I think everything cat already said pretty well sums up how SPs can be either thrown off or intrigued by the gentleman's approach in contacting us... 50yr old men can be jerks too.

[Phaedrus 209521]

Short summary: the general feeling from the ladies is that age is, loosely, inversely correlated with douchebaggery.

 

Of course, this is a gross generalization, and many exceptions will exist on both sides of it. But still some ladies seem to have decided that it's easier to just exclude a certain demographic because there's too much hassle for the good business they get from it. That's their choice, of course... and to be honest, I've never got the feeling it was carved in stone if someone who was younger than their usual clientele was prepared to act like a mature gentleman.

 

So if you see an SP advertize that she usually only meets clients over a certain age, it's probably not an insurmountable obstacle, but remember to mind your manners lest you confirm her preconceptions of your generation :)

[Nicolette Vaughn 294340]

I'm going to add to Cat's post as she pretty much summed up everything I was thinking. She made some very good points especially when she mentioned the niceties that potential clients practice and while they may seem subtle or considered just being polite, as service providers we take these types of things into consideration when deciding to meet someone. I know when texting with someone or talking to them on the phone very quickly if I want to meet them or not.

 

When someone texts me as asks "How much for a blowjob?" without even so much as a "Hello" or the good ol "Wassup?"... I ask myself, what is this person going to be like in person?

 

Secondly, many younger men seem focused on the laundry lists of questions and the MSOG part can almost be equated to going to an all you can eat buffet wanting to ensure their stomach is full to capacity while making sure they got their money's worth. I don't have a problem with MOSG as long as it happens within the amount of time the person books for. Many have approached in wanting MSOG without wanting to pay for the extra time. I don't think so...

 

This may be acceptable in other service industries or products consumers buy but SPs are not products, we are human beings who "provide" a service. IMO, many younger men get so caught up in trying to get their rocks off (for a lack of better words) and at the same time almost seems like they have to prove a point with the MSOG. Many forget that this is an intimate service and that we are not machines.

 

With many younger men, I have found myself being told what to do during an encounter almost like they want it to be scripted like how it is seen in porn movies and things don't flow naturally which makes me uneasy. I like to think i know what I'm doing and don't need to be reminded on how to perform a certain act. I'm not a blowup doll. Major turnoff!

 

The lack of consideration many younger men ( not all) have shown to myself and others in this business is very common. Lastly, the word discount is often synonymous with younger men who endulge in this hobby. This is a luxury service that isn't a necessity but many tend to think it is and many think it's perfectly acceptable to negotiate with the provider which is another real turnoff.

 

Having said all of this, I am not against seeing younger men as I used to be. In fact, I have many younger clients in their 20's and they have all been respectable and polite but I am choosy when it comes to meeting clients and it all starts with how they respond to me. This goes for clients of any age.

 

SPs are offering a service and they are free to see who they want or don't want to see. I don't want to make it seem as though I'm making generalizations because I'm not but I'm not a new SP and I only speak from experience and often times hard knocks when seeing younger men.

[Sweet Emily J 172062]

I agree with everything that has been said by these lovely ladies so far. I have had great experiences with a few select special younger gentlemen, and turned down countless older fellows for appointments because of one reason or another. Age is all in the head (and in the bed! ;)) But of course life experience is an asset, no matter what we're talking about.

 

I just wanted to add that age is generally not even a piece of information that most ladies will ask you to provide when you are requesting an appointment. So unless you somehow out yourself by being immature, rude or disrespectful, or sound like you haven't hit puberty yet on the phone, then in actuality, age will not really even be an obstacle.

 

I have even been surprised a few times, when I have corresponded with gentlemen to arrange an appointment, then when they showed up at my door, they were a lot younger than I had anticipated. But I had no idea because they wrote and spoke maturely and respectfully :) And that's all we ask!

[JoyfulC 132299]

I do prefer older men. I can't say why. It's not because younger men aren't decent or sexy, it's just a personal preference. I wish younger men wouldn't take this personally. The vast majority of hobbyists do not prefer a woman my age (55) but if I took that personally, I'd be a wreck. But I don't. I respect others' preferences and I always advertise my true age. The good thing about age is we get to sample every age at some point!

 

But there's another reason why I turn down appointments with younger men these days. I'm based out in the sticks, and when we moved out here, we seem to have been adopted by one of the local young men. Never, in 30 years of marriage, has any other person spent so much time in my home! For a few hours yesterday, I thought we were going to have him living with us for a while (his furnace had a problem). He has introduced us to a lot of the 20-something guys in this end of the county.

 

I need to be discreet about what I do, to protect my customers' privacy. I always worry that some young guy I might meet through business will know our young friend. Since we haven't told him, I wouldn't want him to find out this way. So for me, it's just best to stick to older guys for now.

[Meg O'Ryan 266444]

While I agree with Cat, I do not generally discuss age. If I am contacted by a respectful gentleman his age doesn't matter. I have had some pretty bad emails etc from men in their 20's and men in their 60's. Age does not always bring good manners with it!

 

I have some fantastic regulars who are almost half my age and aim happy that I gave them a chance :)

[Mikeyboy 27111]

Although it is not always good to generalize, and there are always exceptions, there have been many articles written recently discussing how the new generation entering the work force and becoming consumers is of a whole new breed. Marketers have had to develop a whole new approach to selling to them, and employers have had to rewrite the rulebooks on motivating them. They have grown up differently from those of us who are over 30. They have higher expectations when it comes to purchasing, almost to the degree of entitlement. Due to texting and other media, they have learned to communicate very efficiently without the use of what they deem as unnecessary words or even letters. There parents have provided for them in such a way that is far beyond what my generation would ever had expected. (I got my first vehicle when I bought my first vehicle, and until that time I took the bus.) All of these things have resulted in a generation with a significantly different approach to things.

Again, these articles are written not to condemn the differences, but to recognize and understand them.

These differences may result in the appearance of a lack of manners or respect when dealing with others. It may be one of the reasons why some sps will simply choose not to see them. Again, not everyone in a group will fit the profile, but for many it may be simpler to avoid the younger group all together. Most sps do not have such strict rules however, so treat them with respect when you contact them and you should be fine. Remember that they are people whose time is just as valuable and important as yours is, and that it is you who should be honored if they choose to see you. If you approach it from this viewpoint, I doubt you'll have any trouble.

[JoyfulC 132299]

I should note that I used to stress about telling guys they were younger than I prefer. But these days, I don't bother. I just sit back and let them disqualify themselves. I had one this morning write me, 27. I sent him my info. He got right back to ask if my half hour rate was flexible and if he could finish more than once in that time. I told him we could do whatever he wanted, as long as we don't go over the time. If we go over, I expect to be paid. And no, my rate's not flexible, but I will accept tips.

 

Far preferable than launching a volley of emails with him arguing how he's very mature for 27. Augh! Nobody my age would cop to being mature.

[mister_crufty 4891]

Not wanting to hijack the thread but what about young SPs? I'm 43 and only been doing this for less than a month but so far I've tended towards providers who are not quite so young. By that I mean late twenties and up. I have a certain amount of apprehension about the really young ones (sub 25 maybe?).

 

I'm not even sure what it is...maybe I feel they're more likely to think, "Eww...old guy", or maybe they aren't experienced enough to know that appearance has almost nothing to do with beddability. I'm sure it's not fair for me to judge since I haven't actually met any of the younger ladies but sometimes their ads seem to have a certain...attitude. Of course that's not unique to young ones but you get my meaning.

 

I'm sure I'm going to ruffle some feathers with younger providers and it's really not my intention...it's just a gut feeling based on no real data. I guess I feel like I'm more likely to have an intellectual connection with someone more mature. This is so much more than physical for me.

 

Actually, I guess I really don't have a big enough data set. I've only seen 3 providers so far and 2 were absolutely amazing. The third was attractive, enthusiastic and seemed very nice but we just didn't click and it really ruined the experience for me. She was somewhat serious and kind of bossy. I'm fairly submissive (although I don't want to be) and have trouble standing up for myself. I like a playful session with jokes and laughter or at least fun and flirtyness. We were talking about something that brought to mind the South Park skit about the underpants gnomes but when I mentioned it she just shut me down. Didn't like South Park, thought it was stupid, didn't want to hear anything about it. Kind of hurt my feelings and really killed the session for me. No MSOG for me although I did manage to use my oral skills to get her off at least. Stayed around for a while to be polite but I really just wanted to leave right away.

 

So there. Based on a sample size of 3 I can now say that 2 out of 3 providers over the age of 25 are awesome. :-D I plan to continue the study and will report back as new samples become available.

[Sweet Emily J 172062]

I've tended towards providers who are not quite so young. By that I mean late twenties and up. I have a certain amount of apprehension about the really young ones (sub 25 maybe?).

 

I'm not even sure what it is...maybe I feel they're more likely to think, "Eww...old guy", or maybe they aren't experienced enough to know that appearance has almost nothing to do with beddability. I'm sure it's not fair for me to judge since I haven't actually met any of the younger ladies but sometimes their ads seem to have a certain...attitude. Of course that's not unique to young ones but you get my meaning.

 

I'm sure I'm going to ruffle some feathers with younger providers and it's really not my intention...it's just a gut feeling based on no real data. I guess I feel like I'm more likely to have an intellectual connection with someone more mature. This is so much more than physical for me.

 

 

Well of course this is true. We have to remember that as hobbyists and SP's, we are just regular men and women too. And with age comes life experience, knowledge and wisdom. There is no escaping this. And it includes everything, especially intimacy and the human connection.

 

While some younger people may have "old souls" and are intelligent, they still lack life experience. And while some older people may have life experience, they might not be as intelligent or socially adept. Those are exceptions, but to judge based on age is only natural, because as humans, we live and learn... and there is nothing wrong with that. In fact, it is an integral part of the life journey, and rather than always fighting it, we should be accepting it more for what it is; a thing of beauty.

[kechara 2526]

Not wanting to hijack the thread but what about young SPs? I'm 43 and only been doing this for less than a month but so far I've tended towards providers who are not quite so young. By that I mean late twenties and up. I have a certain amount of apprehension about the really young ones (sub 25 maybe?).

 

I'm not even sure what it is...maybe I feel they're more likely to think, "Eww...old guy", or maybe they aren't experienced enough to know that appearance has almost nothing to do with beddability. I'm sure it's not fair for me to judge since I haven't actually met any of the younger ladies but sometimes their ads seem to have a certain...attitude. Of course that's not unique to young ones but you get my meaning.

 

 

mister_crufty I am just a few years older than you and do end up seeing different SPs in there 20s. I have never had one comment on my age. I have had different experiences from SPs who are either lower 20s or mid to late 20s.

 

 

There are good and bad on both ranges, Even the bad is just something where the chemistry was not there, however the only way to find out is to meet the person. Recommendations help, however the thing to remember is also that the person writing the reco could have had the chemistry and also found exactly what they were looking for. All you can do is try to meet an SP who meets your expectations. There are a lot of great ladies here and you will find them friendly and accommodating to answer your questions if you are wondering about booking with them.

[Carrie Moon 68826]

Actually I know a lot of younger providers prefer older clients as well... so I wouldn't worry too much about being too old for 20something providers.

 

I'm open to clients of all ages personally. I only prefer respectful ones. Since I started doing milf movies however I don't get the much older gents and more of the younger ones are drawn my way. I've even had some young clients come to me to lose their virginity. This is a huge responsibility that I found daunting at first but am now comfortable with. I may not connect with them on an age level.. but I connect with them on a teacher/student level which can be quite fun.

 

The main reason younger clients can be less mature in my opinion is that

1) some think they're doing us a favor by providing us with a younger body and providing what they think is a more appealing sexual encounter than what they think we'd find a wrinkly old body. They have no clue what we want but assume.

2) They have a much much higher amount of testosterone surging through their bodies which clouds their judgement

3) They have been getting away with their moms telling them how adorable they are and they're spoiled by them so they carry it with them everywhere else in life (I can't tell you how often myself and other ladies have been asked. 'I'm cute. Can I get a discount?'

4)They lack the experience that an older person does which has already been covered here.

 

I should also mention that ladies I know that are actual mothers in real life (I'm not one) don't want to see someone that could be their child's age. It feels too weird to them

[fredsmith 5240]

 

3) They have been getting away with their moms telling them how adorable they are and they're spoiled by them so they carry it with them everywhere else in life

 

Not all mothers did this I assure you :)

[Carrie Moon 68826]

Not all mothers did this I assure you :)

Of course not. I was speaking of the guys with the "I'm so cute complex.. I should get deals"

 

Thankfully many mothers (and fathers) teach their sons to be gentlemen... and then they are gentlemen no matter what their age. These are the clients we prefer.

[mister_crufty 4891]

Well my expanding data set now includes a much younger lady and I can safely say she is absolutely wonderful. I may have to give up my discriminatory ageism towards young providers at this rate. Maybe they aren't all punks who need to get off my lawn. ;-)

[Zorotime 120]

Well, I for one am grateful for the rage of opinions in this thread. For someone new to this experience the more I can hear of similar male experiences, and the observations and advice given by knowledgeable and sympathetic providers, helps greatly with the learning curve.

In light of the age issue/non issue, what of time limits for sessions? I have heard from some hobbyists that they choose only a hh session for an initial meet, then increase to an h on a return visit. I understand the strategy, but what is the view of the SP? Do you agree with this "game plan", should most of us adopt this approach. What if I mentioned in an initial contact text that a hh would be a great opportunity to see if there is some chemistry? Is this considerate, goofy, insulting or just annoying?

Z

[JoyfulC 132299]

Well, I for one am grateful for the rage of opinions in this thread. For someone new to this experience the more I can hear of similar male experiences, and the observations and advice given by knowledgeable and sympathetic providers, helps greatly with the learning curve.

In light of the age issue/non issue, what of time limits for sessions? I have heard from some hobbyists that they choose only a hh session for an initial meet, then increase to an h on a return visit. I understand the strategy, but what is the view of the SP? Do you agree with this "game plan", should most of us adopt this approach. What if I mentioned in an initial contact text that a hh would be a great opportunity to see if there is some chemistry? Is this considerate, goofy, insulting or just annoying?

Z

 

That's a good question, Zorotime, but maybe you should start a new thread for it, eh?

 

I wanted to say to those, here and in another similar thread, that they should not worry about preferring younger, older, whatever; nor should they be upset by the preferences of any provider.

 

All the older customers and providers here were once younger. And all the younger ones will be older someday. It all balances out in the end.

 

The most important thing is to never second guess your preferences. Go for what's right for you.

[Nicolette Vaughn 294340]

What if I mentioned in an initial contact text that a hh would be a great opportunity to see if there is some chemistry? Is this considerate' date=' goofy, insulting or just annoying?

Z[/quote']

 

A half hour is not a silly thing to ask and I think this is the smartest thing to do as long as the provider offers them and lists it in her advertising. Many new clients of mine opt for a half hour and is a solid way to see if there is chemistry there.

 

I find a half is enough to time to predict whether a client will enjoy my services without being tied into paying and meeting for a longer session. It will also give the SP an idea if this is someone she would want to see again if they decided to call back.

 

Some clients of mine have found that a half hour is all they need while others have repeated for longer sessions. The time frame is definitely a good indication and a nice icebreaker!

 

Have fun endulging! You certainly sound like a nice young man!

[Guest ****ven]

For me personally, I tend to be a little bit leary of Younger clients as I worry that someone in their 20s like myself might be someone I know from school or the bar or sports through friends etc.

 

That being said if you are polite and check out I am happy to see yu, age is not an issue --- it's all in the behaviour of the exchange.

 

Kisses Sami

[Old Dog 179138]

I used to be a young pup...

 

... but I have grown to discover that the quintessential advantage of age is looking backward fondly and sometimes not so fondly at life experiences. In short, young guys haven't learned from their fuck-ups because they haven't had enough fuck-ups from which to learn.

 

When I was a young guy, I mistakenly thought that what defined me as a man was the presence of a penis that could snap to attention at will.... that and the fact that I could fill the whole toilet bowl with bubbles when I peed with great force... but I digress. I now understand that what defines the true man exists about three feet north (or 91 cm for you young bucks.)

 

I was cocksure and swaggering when I was young... but I failed to realize that the reality of a sexual experience was the subtlety of movement, the touch of flesh, the art of seduction and the absolute joy of intimate companionship. In fact, I was "zip, zip, grope, grope, lick, lick and BAZINGA!!! insert tab A (penis) into slot A (vagina) thrust, thrust AHHHhhhHHHHHhh. (repeat every 20 minutes.)"

 

It was satisfying... but nowhere near as satisfying as what I experience today. I talk now. I laugh. I enjoy the whole experience and appreciate it more because I am older. I love being with a complete woman now... where before it was just a few parts that were of particular interest.

 

I guess the long and short of it is that I have learned a lot since the late 70's... and now I know that it's more than just about my penis, and my desires.

[cat 262460]

Well, I for one am grateful for the rage of opinions in this thread. For someone new to this experience the more I can hear of similar male experiences, and the observations and advice given by knowledgeable and sympathetic providers, helps greatly with the learning curve.

In light of the age issue/non issue, what of time limits for sessions? I have heard from some hobbyists that they choose only a hh session for an initial meet, then increase to an h on a return visit. I understand the strategy, but what is the view of the SP? Do you agree with this "game plan", should most of us adopt this approach. What if I mentioned in an initial contact text that a hh would be a great opportunity to see if there is some chemistry? Is this considerate, goofy, insulting or just annoying?

Z

 

This all depends on the provider. Obviously the ladies that advertise half hour rates are open to the time frame. I for one, haven't decided if I want to see you in the first 15 minutes you are here. I haven't collected my fee and we are getting to know each other. I only offer 2 hour appointments because chemistry is about the exchange of energy, not just the sexual lava boiling but the essence of my guests. I want to want them the way they want me before we get naked because if I'm not going to enjoy the experience, I'd rather not participate. At my age, I'm not wasting 30 minutes on drive thru sex with someone I don't connect with, life is too short. Once I know a client I can accommodate time restrictions with packages that are more than reasonable but that takes time and trust. If I find the shorter sessions aren't working for me then I will nix arrangement.

 

I do have a 1 hour introduction package but very few take advantage of, most book for 2 hours out of the gate. I find even the hour is a little short for me. So the best thing to do is look at the providers advertising, it will tell you if booking for a half hour is appropriate and if she doesn't advertise a rate for that time frame; don't ask because you will most likely receive a gentle decline for the appointment. It isn't personal, it is just a personal choice on how a woman likes to do business...

 

cat

[mister_crufty 4891]

I think you and I would get along marvelously. I too am a seeker of romance, chemistry and connection. It's by far the most important part of this hobby for me.

 

I suppose there's never a guarantee of chemistry though...I'm often told I'm better in small doses. ;-)

 

This all depends on the provider. Obviously the ladies that advertise half hour rates are open to the time frame. I for one, haven't decided if I want to see you in the first 15 minutes you are here. I haven't collected my fee and we are getting to know each other. I only offer 2 hour appointments because chemistry is about the exchange of energy, not just the sexual lava boiling but the essence of my guests. I want to want them the way they want me before we get naked because if I'm not going to enjoy the experience, I'd rather not participate. At my age, I'm not wasting 30 minutes on drive thru sex with someone I don't connect with, life is too short. Once I know a client I can accommodate time restrictions with packages that are more than reasonable but that takes time and trust. If I find the shorter sessions aren't working for me then I will nix arrangement.

 

I do have a 1 hour introduction package but very few take advantage of, most book for 2 hours out of the gate. I find even the hour is a little short for me. So the best thing to do is look at the providers advertising, it will tell you if booking for a half hour is appropriate and if she doesn't advertise a rate for that time frame; don't ask because you will most likely receive a gentle decline for the appointment. It isn't personal, it is just a personal choice on how a woman likes to do business...

 

cat