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exactly. yes my post was deleted and in the future I will let my post stand alone instead of attaching it to a quote that may be deleted... bottom line I dont think anyone is reading too much into the OPs post but to some, I'm sorry but it comes across as "touring girls are too pricy compared to what ottawa's market or our agency will charge you" and sort of comes across as a shameless self promo. when in reality, touring girls and local girls or even one girl to another cannot be compared to one another based on worth etc..... For example: everyone who has poor vision needs eyeglasses...perhaps some decide they want to buy theirs at lenscrafters...and other want to special order their set from a Dolce & Gabana Catalogue....one pair costs $90...the other $400....does one pair of perscription glasses do the job any better than the other?....NO, they're still glasses but its the style or the feel or the sense of fulfilment that having nice things may bring you.....you will still have 20/20 vision regardless....some just want to or are willing to pay more. Like another lady one said: everyone needs to eat..and some eat at Swiss Chalet and some eat at high end restaurants that serve foie gras... do the guys who shop at lenscrafters send a letter asking for $100 glasses instead of $400 ones because in their town they only pay X amount? so if they plan on sending them glasses they should therefore give them a $300 discount in their city? because they really NEED their glasses...? would you walk into a 5 star joint and demand a discount because the night before your wife and you had dined for $40 at Swiss Chalet (and had damn good house wine with it?)...and when they said no did you tell them their business wouldnt last long?...if so did the 5 star restaurant laugh when you siad you wouldnt return or ever get their business? I should hope so. I think we all know what I'm getting at.......our prices are not up for discussion, if some dont like it...shop elsewhere...even ladies who are less than $300 or local and $200 will always have someone saying they got it elsewhere cheaper....good for them! we are a privilege...a luxury...not a RIGHT

I tend to disagree with your statement about ladies losing track of the business as well that expecting $300+ an hour is out of line. As someone who travels 80% of the month, I think it is you that does not understand how a touring lady conducts her business. If people are interested in seeing a companion, regardless of what her donations are they will visit with her. Why would anyone travel to another city and work for less than they currently make, would you? If a lady is travelling she has expenses among other things on top of normal everyday expenses at home. Not all providers are high volume ladies either, most come to visit with the expectation of seeing a couple amazing clients. Their donation among how they carry themselves allows them to be able to do just that. Some increase there donations to cover expenses others require a time duration minimum. If the lady has a great additude, personality and service, she is worth every penny of a what ever she chooses to charge for her time. There is no "Market Rate" /"Going Rate" in any city, people like to use that term to barter and that is a load of garbage. You use the term to "keep the flow of business steady" - Not all ladies offer a revolving door service. What a lady charges and what she offers are up to her, if she is in demand and people are happy her donation will not matter in the end.

First, I don't believe anyone has the right to judge others, for actions that have no bearing on them. Everyone, and that means everyone is or has done something that they themselves can be judged on too. My own philosophy is live my life the best I can, and not hurt others. I'm in no position to judge someone else (generally speaking) and their actions...because you never know, someone could turn around and be judging you As for a client asking about an sp's relationship, dependant on circumstances, it could or could not be appropriate. I've seen four sp's so far. In two cases, questions of a personal nature were asked (initiated by them btw) but in the form of two people meeting, getting to know one another. And these two ladies I will see again One it was more like a interview, question & answer. The last one was my first one, from CL (my mistake)..all she wanted was money Hope the rambling made some sense RG

Speaking from experience in regards to being married, it is very easy to get comfortable in a rleationship/marriage and things become mundance and routine. That spark is gone. Where do you turn? What do you do? marriage counselling may help but if you have no intention of leaving your spouse and/or it's too difficult because you're in too deep or have too much to lose financially, hobbying seems like the perfect escape where you can have the best of both worlds. It's a new, exciting experience in your life where there is a spark in your life again. Who wouldn't want some attention from a sexy female willing to cater to your sexual needs all within certain boundaries of course. I also think imo that a physical affair for an hour two is much less painful than an emotional affair. Having been in that position in the past, an emotional affair is much more hurtful to a woman than a physical one. Like others here, I do not equate sex with love. Look at the business that I'm in. LOL. I really don't think we as human beings are conditioned to be monogamous. However, as someone who doesn't associate the physical with the emotional, I would rather an SO of mine to see an escort than see him go and have a love affair. And I think that's why many men hobby. There is no emotional attachment. To me it is a physical release and while the client may fancy the SP and enjoy her company, 90% of the time it does not reach a more intimate level, just a business interaction. With regards to my opinions about clients being married, I am certainly not one to judge. I sell companionship for a living so that would make me a hypocrite. But I will say this and I find this hard to fathom and that is that many clients have asked me if I've had a boyfriend or husband and the million dollar question they ask is "Does he know and is he okay with it?" First of all, it's no one's business and second of all, I find it very hpocritical that a client would think that considering that their significant other doesn't know their activities but if an service provider's spouse or boyfriend knows what is going on and is okay with her doing her job, suddenly it's a big no no. Sadly clients do judge but do not bother to think of their own activities which have been kept from their spouse. Admittedly, that is when the wheels in my head start to turn and that's when I begin to think about a client's relationship. Then I realize I have to let those thoughts go because I do not know them. I'm sure they are curious about the lives of SPs as well. Personally I do not care to know about whether or not a client is married as I do not wish to discuss my own personal situation because it's no one's business. Period. I sell a fantasy and I think judging a client or vice versa about their relationship status would inevitably destroy that fantasy. This isn't to say the topic of spouses hasn't been brought us. Part of my job is to listen and I have listened many times and if this is part of the process of the client being able to let go, so be it. That is what I am there for - Companionship whether it is a half hour, an hour or five hours. I personally think people should do what they feel is right for them. We don't know everyone here or know them enough to judge them on a personal level. Each and every situation and why a man hobby's is different on a case by case basis. We are here for a good time, not a long time. Let's enjoy it while it lasts.

You are totally right Meg, with my experience in this hobby I have had good luck at 95% of the encounter with fine ladies and in the 5% I will agree it felt mechanical but all in all I'm satisfied with the way I'm seen with the ladies.

Actually, this is a luxury item. It is definitely not an essential service, and no one has a "right" to access, so a luxury. (I have seen some posters on other boards who have a POV that they can demand lower rates or threaten boycotts until all sps lower their rates lol ) Just thought I would throw that out there. I think that some people do tend to forget that this is not meant to be "affordable" really. The expectation is that everyone will be paying a rate that is, realistically, high for them, high enough to make them think first before deciding who to see, and to regret the expense if they have a bad time. If it was cheap and affordable, none of that would matter. I buy my sunglasses at the $ store, but I also know that there are a lot of people who either would not be caught dead shopping at the Dollarama or would not be caught dead wearing anything without that designer label.

I must say that I am extremely shocked that this would even be suggested. Sorry if I appear matronly in my disgust but come on WTF. I would never even consider meeting someone under the influence of ANYTHING. While I have no qualms about two consenting adults indulging in a beverage together, being high or drunk and arriving on my doorstep would be totally inappropriate and definetely not tolerated. I am simply amazed that this has been brought up as a topic for discussion! Sorry if this offends but I am being truthful!

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Good for you Emma! You can do it! I've been smoke-free for three years now. After many attempts at quitting, I was finally successful. It's not easy, but once you've actually made up your mind to do it, it's doable. You can totally do it if you want to! * the crowd chants "Emm-a, Emm-a, Emm-a..." * WIT mentions the brain re-wiring itself for the addicition - absolutely, your brain has been "customized" for smoking. There are many ideas on how long it takes for someone to get over the nicotine addiction, but I think Superlift's take on being a "smoker that chooses not to smoke" is very accurate. I don't believe that your brain heals itself in a matter of weeks or months. I believe the changes to your brain are permanent (or at least, very, very, very long-lasting). My urges are less and less, and for the most part a lot easier to cope with than when I first quit, but I still get very strong cravings. I don't believe these cravings will ever completely go away. I think I still have to take one day at a time, and be consciously aware that I can NEVER, EVER have even a single drag from a cigarette (no more cigars either... oh man, they smell so good sometimes!!!) I don't believe that I will never be a non-smoker again - I will only be an ex-smoker and I need to remain vigilant. First, I would recommend that you quit smoking because YOU WANT to quit smoking, and for no other reason... When I quit smoking I didn't throw away all of the cigarettes in my house - I did not smoke because I chose not to smoke, not because I couldn't. The decision to quit was all my own, with no onus on any external elements. That being said - I did avoid things that I might associate with the habit... I stopped drinking coffee for a while. WIT is right about nicotine helping to metabolize caffeine - I used to be able to drink coffee right before bed and fall asleep - not anymore! Too much caffeine causes me a lot of anxiety now. It's common to experience a lot of anxiety when you quit smoking (for a year or more even!), the anxiety can increase the urge to smoke too... maybe cutting back on caffeine altogether for a little while would be helpful for you. I stopped hanging out with people who smoked (only for a couple of months). Smelling the smoke (I'm assuming getting a bit of nicotine as well!) really made me crave. Even seeing people smoking on television was difficult - change the channel right away if it bothers you. Wash all of your clothes (especially if you smoked in your house or apartment!), eliminate the cigarette smell as much as you can. Don't make it harder on yourself while you're trying to quit. You're still quiting because you want to, but be fair to yourself and remember that quitting is hard, you don't have to torture yourself - your smoker friends will understand if you take a little break from them (most of them probably want to quit too). There are a ton of little habits that go along with smoking - try to figure out what they are and change them when they cause a craving. I always smoked when I drove - chain-smoked almost - so I stocked up on gum and chewed it like crazy when I was driving (I still do!). I carried bags full of Scottish mints with me everywhere - whenever I had a craving I'd pop one of those little suckers. Don't worry about gaining weight, you can lose it after you quit - concentrate on quitting smoking. It's a lot easier to give up Scottish mints than cigarettes, trust me. Mint flavour, brushing your teeth a lot - I can't explain it, but it helps, really. Take everything one little step at a time... At first, you'll get cravings every ten minutes, then every twenty... every few hours, every five hours... eventually it will be days, then weeks (I'm into months now)... All you have to do is get between those cravings. When you get a craving do something, get up run around, yell, sing, go for a walk - whatever you need to do to forget about the cigarette. When it's gone you'll have complete peace of mind for a while... it may only last for an hour at first, but it will keep getting longer every day. Don't ever, even hold a cigarette, don't take a drag, don't pick any up for a friend on your way over to their place. You're not avoiding cigarettes because you have to, you are choosing not to needlessly tempt yourself - again, don't make it harder on yourself. Reward yourself at milestones... take the money you've not been spending on cigarettes and treat yourself to something when you get through a certain amount of time. Take what you've saved when you get through a week and buy yourself something nice with it - you deserve it! Set the next reward at 2 weeks, then a month - whatever you want. You're working hard, and making it a week without a cigarette is awesome - pat yourself on the back, you really do deserve it. Finally, if you do slip up, don't stress yourself about it. Move on - just don't do it again. Don't give up if you cave in once, one weak moment doesn't mean defeat! Again, you can do it! Okay, well, that's one helluva a long-winded post huh? Okay, I'll shut up now. Good luck Emma! I really wish you the best. Quitting smoking was very hard for me, but I am so happy I did - I can't express to you how nice it is not to be chained to that pack of cigarettes... No more standing outside in -30 for my fix!

One thing I've learned in this business is that you do not have a monopoly on any particular service, but you do have a monopoly on yourself. There are many gentlemen who aren't just 'looking to get laid' but who have particular standards and they are willing to pay for the right lady.

Annessa hit the nail on the head why would it matter to Ottawa's self described #1 Agency what other ladies charge local or touring sp's. I think there maybe another motive behind the thread its call advertising in a different manner. For me it is not about the rate but the lady if I choose to see a lady at $400 hr or a lady at $200 an hour im not spening the money on the RATE but on the lady and her time and to me sometimes you can't put a price on these after all this is not a grocery store.

In a perfect world, the analogy is just that, perfect. It's like eating at a restaurant instead of eating at home. The problem is that we as a society are conditioned to equate sex with a loving relationship. That is especially true if one or both parties are otherwise encumbered with a significant other. Jim.... it's not just women, it's men as well. Think of it. Your view is based on a perception that your wife does not wish the same things that you want sexually. Now consider something else. Would you not feel betrayed, hurt, angry or smitten if your wife was seeing another man, just for sex? If the answer is yes, then you too, link sex with love. I have been on the other side, my ex cheated on me. The relationship and ultimately the sex she had with another man cut me like a thousand knives. I was the good husband. I made the efforts, held a good job, did my share around the house... virtually everything I did, I did for the sake of our relationship, our family. What hurt the most was that the relationships she had outside of the marriage denied me the intimate contact that I craved. She was giving her "physical love" to someone else... and although I had opportunity to engage in extramarital activity, I could not bring myself to do it. It is a tough road to tread. I don't engage in the hobby when I am in a relationship because I can't justify it to myself. It certainly is not a condemnation of anyone who can; I just can't do unto someone else what has been done to me, and I know that if I was in a relationship it would be a guilt that would ultimately be fatal to that same relationship. I understand that the SP/client relationship is altogether different than a boyfriend/girlfriend, husband/wife, lover/lover thing... but the penis and the heart are two separate things with two separate agendas. All that being said, the place that I find myself now in life allows me to indulge in the hobby with only the pause for financial justification and allowance. I am not currently looking for an SO; the need for that companionship can be met by friends, family and my service provider. Just my two cents...

Yes, we are selling a sexual service, but I think the word "giving" reflects the fact that this service is unlike no other. You're not paying to have us clean your house, you're paying to experience a part of us, something that is invaluable and has no dollar amount. To compare, a doctor may charge an American $10,000 for a lifesaving surgery, but I still would have no problem saying that the doctor "gave me life." Again, the service is invaluable. Yes, I charge $220 for a 90 minutes lapdance/massage session, but my sexuality and beauty is something that has no dollar amount, and I'm sharing that with you.

Seriously, how refreshing!!! I have been working in this industry for a couple of years (formally a phone girl for an upscale agency) and just stumbled across this site. I have seen so many negative posts on other boards and it makes me sad. I find it TOTALLY refreshing to find a board like CERB which doesn?t allow negativity. CUDOS to all of you here and to the Mods/Owners of this board for encouraging the positive energy you do!!! I am so happy to be a part of this community where there is so much positive energy! Way to go everyone!!! HUGZ, Tristan

One thing that I have noticed in some, but not all, advertisements are different colours and/or capital letters used within the body of the post. I find it very DIFFICULT and ANNOYING to try and read something that was TYPED with the "CAPS LOCK" on and in THREE or FOUR different colours.