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Replying to a bunch of stuff from the last couple of days... You've stated your point of view, yes, but my question remains... Not a dirty word, perhaps (more on this below), but nevertheless a counterproductive one. Again: it's just not worth it. Right. And I'm arguing that any attempt to haggle is stupid and counter-productive in the long run, even if you do get lucky on occasion. Kinda like playing the lottery, but the odds are even worse. So, yes, I'm happy to concede that we all have the freedom to shoot ourselves in the foot if we feel so inclined. What I'm getting at, for the benefit of folks new to this (since this thread is in the "New To This" forum) is that shooting yourself in the foot is a really bad idea. And also, stupid. And yes, perhaps you do deserve to be ridiculed if you try it, having read this thread... Or ignorant of what they're missing out on, perhaps. May I suggest you go back and read cyclo's excellent post on the difference between haggling and negotiation? Although you keep talking about "negotiation", that seems inaccurate. What you advocate is haggling: you're trying to get a simple one-time discount, rather than there being any genuine give-and-take. Or if you disagree with that characterization of your position, perhaps you'd care to tell us: when you ask for a discount on a SP's rate, what do you offer in exchange? If you truly negotiate, you won't find that question hard to answer - and I'm sure I'm not the only person who'd be interested to know what that answer is. And while you may not think "negotiation" may not be a dirty word... can you say the same of "haggling"? Two things to say to this. First: if they began haggling, that's their right. It doesn't mean it's a good tactic for you to do so if they don't. Second: as I've asked previously, do you really think you got the same service for your reduced rate? If you do, please explain why... It's not that anyone wants to... it's just that some of us consider some ladies to be worth the effort. If you're that desperate, I suspect a lady with six pages of etiquette guidelines is unlikely to take last-minute appointments and you'd be better off calling someone else :) Still, I may be wrong... True, but I think most SPs would not be flattered by the comparison to McDonalds. But if you're OK with it... you said it, not me. I think you're dead right on this... and really, that's the audience most of us are aiming at. We all know this debate is utterly dead to anyone who's likely to join one side of the other. The prize here is the influence on the silent masses; alas, none of us will ever know whether or not we've won it. A word to those people: if you never post, you will never persuade anyone of your point of view, and things will never change. Obvious, yes, but perhaps it needs saying... But as I said earlier, this is no longer about them. It's about the audience, who are largely silent. My motivation here is simply to get them to think about the pros and cons of haggling before they try it. My thoughts on that are that the odds are so far against you that trying it is simply stupid, and I'm really looking for someone - anyone - to provide some sort of counter to that. Nobody has, yet. Two things here. First, there are some ladies who are clearly sick to death of being haggled with. You may not be there, but I get the feeling others are... and that this thread was borne of exasperation rather than anything else. Secondly, there are quite a few of people who feel that the wannabe hagglers should be shot down. Some of those are the ladies who are sick of it; some of the others are guys who don't really like seeing the ladies who may be friends having to put up with that crap. I suspect you benefit from this, even if you don't wish to read it. Or go ahead and argue the toss, if the mood takes you. That, too, is the Internet. Now this, my friends, is a man who understands how the Internet works :) Unless, of course, your tastes run that way. And remember, too, that this is a circle-jerk with an audience :)

RG, everything you say is absolutely true about a haggler trying to make what really amounts to a trivial monetary gain for himself from a lady at perhaps a vulnerable moment in time. Thankfully there are many gentleman out there who realise this and have enough class, and respect for the wonderful women we have the privilege of knowing try to defend the cause. I realise that men like you and I hold all of the ladies we know with a great deal of importance for the pleasure of the companionship (even friendship) they bring to our lives. So I understand why you choose to fight so hard against apparent disrespect for our friends and their livelihoods. Sadly, there are those "boys" among us that consider the SP's they visit as nothing more than the next cum shot. I have chosen to stay away from this thread beyond my first post because like you I have very strong feelings on this matter that would in all likelihood get me booted off CERB for expressing my real feelings on this matter. I have to agree with Miss Laurence I think you're wasting your valuable time trying to convert those wayward boys to see the ladies many of whom we consider our friends as something more than an object for their use. At this point you're only helping the one trick pony Craigyboy build up his post count. Let it go RG and send some of your friends a thank you for putting up with the bad ones out there so that we can continue to experience the joy they bring to our lives. Cheers from a surprisingly calm Chuck. As an after thought I decided to add this because there does seem to be a lack of understanding by some of the proponents for Negotiating/Haggling as to why many gentleman and ladies here seem to so vehemently defend our CERB ladies and friends on this issue. You see as a "rule", our Cerb community is one based deeply on respect and a mutual admiration that has built over time. There are many reasons why this has happened however this "Happy Hobbiest" post by Old Dog is a reflection of many of the relationships that have been built here over time. Some relationships going well beyond the physical interaction of clients and SP's to a level of friendship of sorts. If you read this thread you'll get a small glimpse of why some seem to attack you so harshly when it might be seen that you as a negotiator/haggler may not be applying what we deem to be sufficient levels of respect to those we may care about. http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=436687&highlight=heart+attack#post436687

God I swore I was done with this but you in fact hit the nail on the head whether you knew it or not, and why I'm opposed to negotiating. Negotiating, well really haggling is for the man (not gentleman) his way of getting something from the lady at less than her rate. Yes maybe he is happy...really f**kin good for him, because it was taking from the lady at her expense. I wonder how she feels during and after the encounter, probably not happy at all. The lady in all likelihood was in a financial situation where she had to accept or maybe run the risk of no income. It is unfortunate but true, many ladies may be in this lifestyle paycheque to paycheque as it were, and the loss of just one encounter may mean unable to pay the rent, put food on the table pay the car payment etc. To me negotiation, well haggling just preys on a lady when she is at her weakest, just so a man can get gratified. Ladies provide a wonderful service, companionship, intimacy, sometimes friendship, and it requires of them to give themselves up body, mind and soul. It has an intangible value exceeding the rate requested. With the bonus of discretion and no strings attached. To haggle her price when she provides such a gift, yes gift, frankly I find offensive I don't expect to change any hagglers minds, but to those who are reading, keep in mind that haggling becomes a zero sum game...that whatever a man gains from haggling, is done at a ladies loss. Instead this lifestyle should be mutually beneficial, for both the lady and gentleman I'm now out RG

Just a post of thanks to the ladies of CERB. Maybe you don't hear it enough, but you provide a very unique and special service, one that does not compare to any other business or service or should be compared to any other business or service. You allow us men an escape, companionship, intimacy and in some cases friendship with no strings attached. You do require a donation, but the value of this escape has an intangible value far exceeding any donation you have asked for. Speaking for myself, you should know you are respected and appreciated And for the escapes and companionship you have provided, thank you RG

RG, as usual you are a man of class and a great example of how clients should view their experiences with the wonderful ladies of CERB. Thanks for taking the lead in expressing the sentiments of a whole group of clients who try to hold themselves to a higher standard for the betterment of everyone in this industry. Ladies, I whole heartedly express my thanks as well. There might be those out there that might roll their eyes and mouth the words "ass kisser", however as I've been fortunate enough in my short time on CERB to lay my lips on some very fine bottoms of you ladies I'll be the first to admit, "I love kissing ass". Stay strong, beautiful, unique and awesome ladies. Kisses from Chuck

Of course the more graphic ads draw attention. Do they get more bookings? I don't know. I am a personal fan of ads that show the type of provider they are. If they enjoy graphic ads that bring in a specific type of clientele, all the more power to them. If the sp enjoys playing with words, and creating a climate that the hobbyist understands her style, then go for that. I think that everyone is unique, and if they are expressing their uniqueness in their ads, that is where everyone wins.

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Honestly I think the fetish porn is the best avenue at this point. Clients there have very specific interests and will send you script ideas. I really only do custom videos now and then post them on clips4sale if they appeal to a larger viewing audience as well. With specific and fetish requests they can't get what they want on free sites as much so you have a niche in that case. It's very hard otherwise to compete with 'free' :) I constantly have fans asking when I'm going to shoot more porn but they are 95% the ones who view it on free sites so they don't hire me for custom. Then I also have the rare client who wants to shoot himself in a video.. that works well for me for an extra fee.

is not acceptable! This isn't a flea market. Take the time to find out what options a lady offers (ie length of time and corresponding donations) and either book with her or continue your search! BTW "can you do x amount of time for x amount of donation?" is akin to negotiating!

I love my toys! Have quite a collection ....which i love to use or have used on me. I'm just wondering what you views are?

Hummana Bumana :butt:Wow !! I did the laundry for these girls....washed in HOT water and then dryed the bejesus out them. Clothes fit purrfectly now ;)

I'm thinking the reason the ads get more clicks is its the provocativeness that draws people in. It's like omg she wants what? Wow she naughty, she must be so horny and wild! What else does she have to say. Since its not everyday a beautiful woman says this. In real life most guys aren't afraid to show they are horny. Although I don't see or hear woman express or show this much. Although these ads may seem to draw more attention I wonder if it draws more actual calls. For me personally I like to please a woman but seeing this ad may add more pressure into can I satisfy her? Also I'm not always into just raw dirty sex I want a sweet sensual time too sometimes so this may turn me off as well thinking she doesn't want this. I must say I really love ready creative ads. I read these ads all the time even when I'm not looking for an encounter. IMO the best ads to attract a client is the ones that give off the a bit on sense of personality. Then again I like to connect with the lady.

I have avoided this thread because this is not the attitude I enjoy buying into however I do want to make one statement and that is some hagglers, while trying to gain a better price for themselves are actually taking advantage of the ladies and their situation. Yes, you ask and then politely state "it's too much" and the lady comes back with "well, how much do you have" however why do you think this might be? This business is dynamic, it ebbs and it flows. Ladies set their rates base don their own set of criteria however like anyone else, they have bills to pay. Unlike a normal work situation, they do not get paid if business is slow. They may need to take a cut rate whether they want to or not because they have bills to pay, children to feed, families to take care of. They may not WANT to but they HAVE to and they may in turn feel like crap that they have had to "give a discount" on their worth. They may then provide great service because they are good people and good businesswomen. This does not mean they enjoyed the process. The men may think they struck gold but at what cost? Discounts in this business are earned by good customers who the lady appreciates. be thankful for this, don't expect it. The main point here is this is a business of PEOPLE, plain and simple. You are haggling the price of a person. Think about that. Whether you want to pay the price asked or not, think about that. If you wouldn't haggle the price of your sister, mother, brother, SO or anyone else close to you, why do you believe an SP does not deserve the same respect? Find someone you like who is charging a price you want unless they specifically say they negotiate. It's so simple yet such a very big issue.

Annoyingly, I couldn't reply directly to this, so here's a picture. I don't care if my views are challenged. I welcome it. But Phaedrus, I do not appreciate words being put into my mouth as you did here. Nntsci's claim on not bargaining for anything under the sky seemed a bit surprising to me. It was not a major consideration to even warrant a post and prolong this thread even further, so I left a rep comment thing. To draw from that and imply that I meant to compare SPs and cars was in poor taste and presumptious. I was about to let it go till I read you doing something similar again here. Again you've taken the words out of context and done a simple 'SP to something else' comparison to prove a point. She could've used anything to make her case; it's the act of politely telling a client once again what the prices are when asked that she was trying to convey. I can't speak for all SPs, but here is one example of someone who doesn't seem to mind that question. To shut her down like that was imho, a bit rude. I'm sorry if this will derail the thread, but I will not have words put into my mouth, especially when it is something offensive like this.

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"I realize that bartering is considered the norm in other cultures and countries but for lack of better words, you're bargining for what is supposed to be an intimate service and this is insulting." I want to preface this by saying that I NEVER try to bargain -- on anything -- it goes against my Anglo-Saxon upbringing. Definitely have never tried that with SPs. With one exception. A couple times I've asked for something special like asking her to wear the skirt in her photos... and tipped for the added feature... That is I am prepared to pay more, but never ask to pay less. But I wanted to point out that intimacy really doesn't have anything to do with the issue of negotiation. In my experience, marital sex is pretty much always a negotiation, LOL. Rings, jewellery, retiling her bathroom (the soaker tub in the ensuite that I never use), cooking dinner, taking her to Nevada, or Paris, etc.. (I'm joking).

Open minded can also mean that they are open to specific kinks and fetishes usually with a non judgmental attitude. They may or may not offer such a service but you can feel comfortable asking about them and not like you'll be lambasted for it. Open to communication. As Meghan said, always be open about sharing your needs and desires as it will guarantee you the experience you're looking for!

re: Haggling. The only time I've seen someone enjoy haggling is on the beaches or in markets of third world countries where people are hawking their wares. The first time I saw it I was uncomfortable.. then I got used to it.. but I never initiate a haggle.. I say no.. but if I look a bit wistful.. they inevitably start the process and I eventually get over my discomfort and a price is set that I can't refuse. Because let's face it.. this issue isn't about negotiation. I think we've clarified that what insults is the haggle. As a brand new unknown client you've got no position with which to negotiate. Even negotiation in the true sense of the word isn't something we look forward to unless like has been well pointed out there's also something to gain for us.. like a retainer client. Now within the sex industry.. haggling is what most of us associate with streetwalkers and pimps.. getting the quickest amount of money in the shortest amount of time for drugs. Not one woman will get herself excited to have you visit with her if you've successfully haggled her to a lower price. In fact most will blacklist you. BUT you who like to haggle won't care about that? You'll just go on to the next girl til you find one who will. That's okay! Doesn't mean because you found your 'gem' who is willing to haggle that it's something now to be admired.. for you not to be ridiculed. You still will be! If you say you can't afford a service and she offers to lower her price.. good for the 2 of you. I don't do that.. and most of the ladies I know don't either.. but hey good for you. Win/win. Believe me when I tell you though.. she would have been much happier if you paid her rate. Is she happy to have your business at all? Are things tough for her? Maybe and probably. It's still a win/win.. so there you go. Isn't that all you really wanted? (I"m speaking to hagglers only). You have the freedom. No-one is saying you don't. Meg was saying it was unacceptable to her. It's unacceptable to the large majority of us. Want that to change? It won't. You will be blacklisted.. the large majority of us find it distasteful, disrespectful and un-arousing. Is it going to educate a haggler not to be one? perhaps.. but doubtful. Most of us want clients who not only pay our rate.. but do so happily. My greatest clients are so grateful for our time spent together that they never bring up my rate even to say 'you're worth every penny'. You've got to remember.. you will always find someone in almost any line of work willing to haggle or negotiate with you if that's what you enjoy. BUT even someone selling a house can be offended by a low-ball offer. Never by a larger one.

I've seen many client early in the morning as early as 5am But only booked in advance the evening before ,Studies show that sex in the morning is more effective than caffeine

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If a service provider gets caught using paypal the account gets frozen (including the funds) and second with the buyer protection it can easily be disputed. So... taking paypal is a risk most ladies would never take these days.

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Absolutely not. Two examples that come immediately to mind, from two of my all-time favourite tv shows: 1. Nathan Fillion (Firefly, Castle, etc.) Everyone on Firefly talked about Nathan's profession abilities mixed with good humour and his leading role in creating a supportive, family-like atmosphere on set. The guy just seems as genuine and giving and committed to his work AND the people around him. I'm a great admirer. 2. Bryan Cranston (Breaking Bad) Once again, the guy put in the grind of acting work for 20 years before attaining the summit of television acting fame, and the cast and crew all cite him as a guiding, steadying, giving influence on the set with absolutely no sense of ego or an image to protect. Once again, I'm taking notes from this guy. I think that fame gives lots of power and wealth to those who have achieved it, and that lets them express who they truly are once no restraint is required of them. And "stars" are prone to enormously inflated egos, just from the dynamics of their central, prominent position; so if they have an inner demon, it's awfully easy for it to come out. You'll find all kinds of people in the famous circuit, and some of them will be atrocious human beings who can act on every whim. Business is the same; enormous wealth can flood into the hands of people who have one narrow set of skills, but that doesn't guarantee any others or any special self-awareness as human beings. So it goes.

You have indicated that you can do it manually, so you obviously know what it takes. Don't be shy about telling the lady about your predicament, and then coach her on the best way to get you off, doesn't really matter how initially, but once mastered should be easier with a subsequent date with the lady in question.

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I was discussing something about martial arts with a martial artist friend, and I wanted to say bjj which stands for Brazilian jiu-jitsu. But it was bbbj which slipped out of my tongue! For a fraction of a second, my friend glanced at me with a blank face. To this day, I am still wondering if he actually knows what bbbj is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazilian_Jiu-Jitsu

I've done a little bit of fetish video work, and a fair bit of still work (photography). In my case, I'm usually shooting with private clients (rather than for a ppd website, for example), whether it's for someone's personal "inspiration file" or something that will be more publically available, so I find that the work is a lot like being a fetish provider in terms of the emotional labour and activities involved. The difference frequently boils down to questions like: Is the person who's licking my heel (a) another model, or (b) the person who's paying me? :-)

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You know what's worse than negotiating ??? Agreeing to a pay a fee for a service and then just not paying it all. That's really insulting and it happens a lot, not just in this biz. As a freelance contractor I find it personally insulting when I do a job, deliver a product, the client get's what they want and yet I still don't get paid. Actually more insulting is when I calmly raise the issue after considerable and forgiving period of time, only to be told "oh yes I intend to pay" and once again not come through. Sorry just had to through that into the mix!

I would HAVE to agree with Victoria Catherina. In fact in her case....you won't need coffee after seeing her first thing in the morning. However, you might need to re-hydrate and some help staying upright for a little while :-)

Firstly let me say hello, new user here this is my first post. In fact I am a new hobbyist as well I have never met a SP before but plan on doing just that VERY soon. That said, I want to thank you all for this thread. I never thought about how negotiating would be viewed by the SP. I started an email with a local SP and guess I was negotiating, I am simply looking for an all around oral session, DATY, BBBJ you get the picture. So I was asking is this could work into her massage session... After a few email she showed me that a reg session is better even though I was not looking for FS. Now I feel like a dick, while I never tried to change the cost I was trying to "sneak" in other services (DATY) into a certain type of session. My question to you is now this... Should I apologize to her explaining what I now know. I don't want my first session with a SP to be tainted. @Phaedrus I see what you mean... Saving a few dollars is NOT worth screwing up what could be an excellent session... I know this now :(

As you can see it is not only my advice but the advice of several others senior members on this board as well. What makes you think that you are entitled to just show up and start demanding information and then get your panties in such a wad when we do not trip over ourselves to provide you with everything you demand? Did your mommy wipe your ass until you were a teenager and always tell you how special you were? Newsflash, this is the real world and we simply do not give a shit about you and how special you were to your mommy. Grow up and realize that fact. When in a new place one must always pay attention to the culture and ethos of the place and at least appear to respect those. The new place can be a physical place or a virtual place like this forum. On just about every forum on line that I have been involved in across a wide spectrum of topics, there are always a few posters who have by virtue of longevity or the nature of their posts risen to a senior status. These posters have to be shown at least a little respect or you will get absolutely nowhere on the forum. Show some respect for the culture of the forum, here we provide information and then receive information in return. The majority of the really good information is usually sent by PM once a level of trust is established and to do that you need to post some information in a respectful manner or all you will get is replies like this while I'll get a lot of thank yous and nominations for putting you in your place, just like several others who have done the same to your childish rants have gotten. By coming in here and pissing us off you have just about guaranteed that you will have a hard time getting any useful information out of us. Now tell me did your little hissy fit make you feel so much better that it will be worth the long term hassle of being considered a non-contributor and unworthy of receiving any information that you seek?

Negotiating is one of my professional areas of expertise (large construction and/or service contracts, sponsorships, labour contracts etc.). Most (not all) of what is being described and discussed in this thread is better characterized as haggling or asking for a price discount, not true negotiation. Negotiation involves an exchange of interests, building a relationship for the future and multiple variables that can be grouped in different ways to create value for both parties. Sp services would be akin to personal/consulting services contracts. In these service contracts hourly rates are not negotiated. What is negotiated is how much time, effort and quality is expected in the service provided or product delivered. Even then, there is a service threshold below which a company will not go just to obtain revenue. This is because the quality of service will be below their standards and will affect their reputation and future business. With the exception of a Sugar Daddy arrangement, there doesn't seem to be much room for an sp to negotiate the quality and quantity of service while maintaining their service standards and hourly fee. Here are a few examples of discount, haggling and negotiating. Price Discount A price discount usually involves a percentage or flat fee discount off the usual price in an attempt to increase volume (e.g. summer specials, early bird discount). The seller sets the discount rate, announces its terms and the length of time it's available. Some sp's advertise these discounts. Others may provide price discounts if they have received a retainer (cash in advance) for multiple sessions. The client doesn't "negotiate" you pay the advertised special rate. Haggling Haggling works for sellers when there is no posted price or the posted price is higher than what they normally accept. The seller tries to get the maximum amount of money from each client. (Think Moroccan market). The client asks the price or offers an amount. The seller responds with a price which is higher than they were offered and is in fact higher than what they usually accept. Back and forth for a while. An unsophisticated client will pay more than others. So gentlemen, be careful what you ask for! In addition in an Internet age the various prices will get around and damage the sp's business. Some men will be upset they paid more than others, while others will now only pay the lowest price they've seen quoted by other clients. Haggling works for a purchaser when the price is fixed but there are overhead costs (e.g delivery, installation etc) which are built into the business and the seller has some flexibility to "negotiate " those costs. While sp's have overhead costs, there aren't a whole lot of flexible costs that they can discount, without it coming directly out of their purse. I suppose if you wanted to try their make up on, they might indulge that for no extra charge lol. But don't touch their shoes or stockings lol Forbes magazine describes haggling as short-sighted "Which is emotionally charged, combative... that leads to low-quality solutions and results in lose-lose outcomes." Negotiation Here's an example of defining the terms of a Sugar Daddy relationship which involves true negotiation, but which I don't believe can apply to a 30 minute to multi-hour appointment with an sp. A client approaches an sp about formalizing a Sugar Daddy relationship. They discuss whether it will be an exclusive relationship, the net income the sp expects to make, the frequency and type of services which will be provided. How much payment will be cash and how much will be Value in Kind (e.g. housing, grooming, clothes, travel etc). How much cash income does the sp need (car payments, tuition, entertainment etc.) Let's take one element, housing. Maybe the Sugar Daddy offers a high end condo that he owns to offset some of his cash fees to the sp. Maybe the sp doesn't want to move. Maybe if she moves, she wants a lease to guarantee a one year occupancy and 2 months notice in case the relationship doesn't work out. Maybe the Suggar Daddy wants to assign a $3000/month market value to the condo as part of his cash and Value in Kind offer. The sp responds that even if it's worth $3000, since she's only paying $1000 a month rent now, she can't afford to lose an additional $2000 income just to live in greater luxury. My point is that there's a complexity to "negotiations". There are lots of variables in play. Each party describes their interests, but they also try to understand the other party's interests and satisfy them. They also want to build a long term relationship with a win/win solution. Asking for a discount on a one hour session or offering the $200 bucks you've got is not negotiation. Personally Personally, although I'm very comfortable negotiating, I don't try to negotiate, haggle or ask for a discount from service providers. I understand, accept and appreciate that the service providers I see, and most of those posting in this thread, operate on a fixed price model which is common for most goods and services in North America. Just accept and respect that. On a lighter note... If you've made it this far. When I typed "Maybe the Sugar Daddy offers a high end condo" autocorrect changed "condo" to "condom" lol

It's the quickest way to ensure your request will be denied. Sometimes, when I get angry with a negotiator, they respond with 'it was just a question'. NO. It was not just a question. You asked me to bargain with my body. Not acceptable. Occasionally I've responded to these requests with "Sure! But first, give me your bosses number, so I can call her and let her know that wages are up for negotiation and you'll go to work Monday for 60% of your salary". Usually gets the point across :P

This thread has degenerated in to name calling and mud slinging from all angles. Most of which as far as I can tell has very little to do with the current thread as it does very strong personality conflicts. As a client who actually lives in St. John's and visits with SP's in this city please let me provide some "legitimate" insight into what has actually occured as a result of this news story. Some of the story was indeed true St. John's and Newfoundland in general is a boom economy. There is significant excess disposible income available to enjoy lifes luxuries including the company of professional companions. Is there money to be made here? Yes! Is it a gold mine? No! Not every lady will succeed the same way. What many of the people that will be reading these posts don't comprehend is our culture. Yes, our province is undergoing a transition however in most respects our province and its population are still old school puritan in their thinking. What may be considered mainstream and accepted in other cities just does not jive here. As much as Newfoundlanders would like to make people believe that we are as metropolitan as anyone else it's simply not the case. Over the past few days this story has generated significant debate and discussion on radio shows and around water coolers. What they all are talking about is not, Emily, Kiessy or any other lady by name. It's not their websites. What everyone talks about is just a couple of statements made by the SP that was interviewed. First one is the $28000 in three week statement which was made in a in your face bragging way. I know there might be debate about the figures but that's irrelevant. The amounts are out there and quite frankly shocked the public into listening to the rest of the information (CBC knew this would happen it's the attention grabber). Second, it was the truthful but perceived boastful comment that, "SP's are filling the need that wives and girlfriends can't" (paraphrase). People were shocked and like a cold bucket of water to the face were awakened to this industry in it own back yard. People will now look for it where they didn't before. People here took those comments that were made directly by the interviewed SP (not CBC) as somewhat offensive and an afront to the beliefs of our province as a people. Now I don't believe that the SP that was interviewed had any intention to blab out things that ad fuel to fires but CBC journalists are specifically trained to ask questions that will lead you and get them the juicy amswers they want (the sound bites). I have received weeks of media training and I would be extremely cautious on sitting down with a reporter that surely had an agenda. The reporter will not stop until he has a story and he will lead you to say things that you would never normally say. It is for this reason I believe that this SP or any SP (including Emily)should avoid being put in a position of having to answer questions. Due to the firestorm that has ensued from this interview and news story the prostution scene is now under a microscope in St. John's. Everyone involved will have to really be looking over their shoulder wondering if now we have a sting happening. They smell blood in the water because sex sells therefore they will milk this for all they can for the next little while. I have an appointment to meet a lady tomorrow and quite frankly I'm nervous about it where I wasn't before. Sure ladies that got singled out have reason to be concerned now but I'm sure that eventually it'll be ok again. We had a good thing going here, ladies made good money, clients were happy and excited with all the visits from touring ladies and the hotels were happy with all the discreet business. With all this brought front and centre it just makes it more difficult for everyone which is what none of us wants. The best most discrete hotel in the city has been compromised now by a lady who doesn't even use it. If she was so free and open why did she not use her own incall location instead of compromising the location for many others. It's just bad all around. This has very much pissed me off that someone could be so careless with the safety of clients and SP's. As for the antics of CBC being underhanded, it's to be expected, they're scum and probably lurking this post right now. They'll never let ethics get in the way of a good story. Stay safe everyone!

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